MBO MBR scores

[Alan Loy]

Just looking at the scores from the MPB 3DAAA shoot and was wondering how different the scores inthe two divisions typically are. That shoot had lower numbers so is not necessarily a good indication. Has anyone looked at the average scores using a large number of scores ??

[Lyle]

Excuse my ignorance in your question. But isn't that comparing apples and oranges. To me it would be better to compare MBO across the states, but even then how can you compare with all the variables in archery?

[Alan Loy]

Both are shooting off the orange peg so the scores can be compared. With that particular shoot the MBR scores were higher than MBO. I presume that this is unusual so I am just asking if anyone has done this comparison.

I shoot MBR and am of the view that this class should typically score less. I am wondering if I am wrong.

[Eberbachl]

Both are shooting off the orange peg so the scores can be compared. With that particular shoot the MBR scores were higher than MBO. I presume that this is unusual so I am just asking if anyone has done this comparison.

I shoot MBR and am of the view that this class should typically score less. I am wondering if I am wrong.

I'm interested to know why MBR should typically score less than MBO? I don't think that is the case.

The only difference is pins V scope, isn't it?

3Ders are only going out to 45m max. I've shot with pins before, and have been just as accurate at that distance as with my scope. I know lots of pin shooters that can compete with scope shooters at those distances.

;)

[Alan Loy]

I guess thats the big question. Are pins "on average" the same or less accurate than a scope. If the same why use a scope?

The best way to answer this is to look at the scores that are actually achieved. If scores are higher at MBO then scopes may be more accurate, if they are similar then maybe not.

The real issue to me is if the scores are similar then why have two divisions.

[Eberbachl]

I guess thats the big question. Are pins "on average" the same or less accurate than a scope. If the same why use a scope?

The best way to answer this is to look at the scores that are actually achieved. If scores are higher at MBO then scopes may be more accurate, if they are similar then maybe not.

The real issue to me is if the scores are similar then why have two divisions.

Out to 45m I don't think pins are any less accurate. I've used both.

I shoot a scope because I use my bow for target/indoor field etc, and only have one setup for each of the disciplines...

If I were only shooting field, I might consider pins.

I guess it's easier being able to define dicreet distance settings with a scope, rather than relying on fixed diastances with pins. Note I said easier...not necessarily more or less accurate. A competent pin shooter can easily overcome this.

About the only useful thing most pins are missing is the addition of a bubble.

With a bubble, pins are very accurate.

As for why have two divisions? Well...that question seems to come up alot in archery, doesn't it :D Personally I don't think there's the need - but many people would argue.

You can already hear the cries...

"Why should I have to shoot against them...they've got scopes, it must be easier"

:bday:

[Alan Loy]

I went looking on the 3DAAA site for some scores but I couldn't open those pages.

I still think that average scores are the best way to tell.

[Eberbachl]

At the end of the day, in 3D it rarely comes down to simply who is the best shot.

It's a combination of who shot the best, and also (often more importantly) who picked the distances better, and identified the score zones better.

Given a clear view of the score zone, and a known distance - few of the shots in 3D - even out to 45m are very difficult. Sure, plugging an eleven on a dark crocodile shot at 45m even if the distance is known is always going to be tough, but that's not a very common scenario.

I'm not saying that's a good or a bad thing, but that's the way the 3D game is.

;)

[Dave Shannon]

Alan, Luke pretty much summed it up with his 2 posts. A competant pin shooter can score just as high as a scope shooter.
I have used both types of sights myself and i found that the scope does help being able to focus on the centre of the score zone, whereas with pins you have to focus on another area of the target,(gapping), depending on the distance.

The scores at the weekend of the MPB shoot for myself in MBO were lower than i normally shoot. I havent done much unmarked shooting in the last few weeks and my distance judgement was way off.

[Alan Loy]

why 2 classes?

[Marcus]

some more people get medals, why else?

This event simply suffered from lack of depth in MBO. There were 5 in MBO last time this club had a comp and 4 didn't shoot this time.
There would only be 3 regular MBO shooters in Vic right now.

[Mervwho]

In my experience there is very little difference between a good pin shooter to a good scope shooter. The win is always going to go to go the person who can judge the distance better on the day.