win&win

[reversehaven]

hmm.. i'm getting a w&w Xpert NX riser soon. i'm quite a new archer. have been shooting for just under a year. won a few medals on standard class and decided to go on.

anyway, i'm getting a NX Xpert riser soon, but i recently heard a few things about how w&w isn't reliable. Could someone elaborate a bit more?

[iscap_boy]

A friend of mine have a NX Expert for about 6 months, with XQ-1 limbs...great bow, very confortable to shoot.

[John K]

There are many examples of bows from every manufacturer breaking or having problems. Yes, there have been problems with W&W risers, but then that shouldn't worry you. The key is to get your equipment from a reputable and trusted dealer who will support you if there are any problems with your kit.

Enjoy your new bow.

[reversehaven]

cool. thanks!

hm. but i was just wondering. Anyone ever had their bows break before?
i've had limbs broken before, and am the sole record holder in my club for breaking limbs, but i'm interested to know.. anyone had their risers break before? i mean, other than having it fall down ten stories or something. like, even though you took good care of it, it still broke?

hmm. looking forward to the time my bow arrives.i'm getting a nice red colour for it.

[Ja]

ive seen a samick agualla with a crack in it, and another old hoyt compound with a crack in it, but with the compound that was a design flaw

[Progen]

I've heard of Samick Agullas cracking but mine's still fine after a few thousand shots.

[John K]

So far I have owned a KG1, PSE Intrepid and X-Factor, and a Hoyt Helix. None have given me any real problems, and nor have any limbs I've owned (Marksman, Border and KAP).

A chap in my club has had two NX risers with XQ1 limbs for a while. His blue NX has never given him a day's trouble. His silver one has been replaced twice after cracking. Yes, he shot them both about the same amount. In both cases the dealer replaced the risers without quibbling.

Obviously, had he not been greedy and simply bought one NX, he wouldn't have had any issues at all. These things happen :)

[Ja]

you've got a helix :o why are you getting an NX then?

[John K]

you've got a helix :o why are you getting an NX then?

Eh? Where did I say I'm buying an NX?

[Ja]

whoops sorry, i read you as the person who started the thread, sorry :oops:

[reversehaven]

haha. i'm the chap getting a NX. haha... i didn't wanna get a helix cuz all the guys in my club... somehow they have a brand bias against win&win.. hahaa.

anyway, i didn't just choose the NX over the helix (or matrix.. or hoyt in general) just because i wanted to be original. i did so because the technology looked quite convincing.

hm. normally if let's say your risers give you trouble. like cracking and stuff.. do you have a right to ask the dealers to replace it?

just wondering, are bow risers umm.. 'warranted' against defects or something like that? if so, how long does the warranty last? for life?

anyway if i had a chance, i'd get two NXs too. haha. one red and one white. hahaa. so i'll use the red when i'm feeling moody and the white when i feel like pwning. so i'll most probably bring the white to competition.(i sound like a half metrosexual, ya?)

i'd not choose helix cuz helix is too heavy for my liking. Although i'll prefer an average amount of bow mass, for greater stability.

oh, btw, john k, of the four risers you've ever owned, which would you say is your favourite? i'm kinda curious to know.

[Progen]

I find the NX Xpert has a rather sexy curve. :lol: If you think the Helix is heavy, you should try the Aerotec. It's a little heavier than the Helix. Anyway, which part of Singapore are you? Come over to JB for a shoot one day. I'm right across the Causeway.

[reversehaven]

wahaaa.. i live somewhere to the north. the view of JB is blocked by a few buildings at my house. but if i go out to the MRT station, i'd have a clear, unhindered view of JB. hahaa. i live in Yew Tee..

hm.. tell ya what. tell me your coordinates. i'll shoot an arrow with a message now? :P

hm. yeah. you're right. the aerotec is heavier. In fact, in my school club, all the 4 (or more) archers so far who have bought aerotec seem to be having trouble with it. lol. so i made up my mind: whatever i buy, it won't be aerotec.

actualy i also wanted to ask.. i'm thinking of getting the win&win HMC stabilisers. I'm comparing it with the A/C/E stabilisers.

Pricewise- HMC : A/C/E
$164 : $130

i'm wondering what's the difference in quality? on the webbie the short paragraph written sounds pretty nice. But just wanted a few more opinions before i go and order the stabilisers.

[yaz]

for stabs u should try it out urself for the feel... after u get ur bow borrow the two stabs from someone for a feel of it.... if u like it then buy... try not to follow trend.... diff pple have diff liking... (like someone in my cluc who seem to like to add weight to his bow... clement u should know who... hahaha)

[Sam Sim]

Lol.. that one look like porcupine lolz..

[John K]

Ja - no problem :)

Reverse - the Helix, although I am very fond of my Intrepid and have no plans to sell it. The X-Factor was great, but just not for me, and the KG1 was too short. However I'm no expert, so my opinion is probably not worth the paper it's written on. ;)

[alexvpaq]

Hey Got problem with my PSE Optima limbs, my dealer exchange them twice, but now they are fine.

but now that everything is nice, i want something a lil'bit better, i want a Hoyt Matrix, but now, i just need to find the money... :D

[Jay.G]

problems with an Aerotec... Mmm what kind of problems? I shot an Aerotec and its one sweet babe to shoot with :lol: (no comment there pmoney :D )

[reversehaven]

yaz- lol. you talking about BK ar? haha.. honestly i'm pondering if i should try that. but he's a monster... he's got the strength to pull, unlike us.. i guess he can add more weight to his bow without problem :wink:

lol. looks like i'm kinda fortunate. i have a lot of people to borrow bows from and try before buying. haha.

alexvpaq- i'm just wondering, if any equipment goes kebonk (of course, without you doing something stupid to it, like dropping it down ten floors) are our dealers obliged to change it for us? like you've changed your limbs twice. did you have to persuade your dealer to change it? or did he just change it automatically for you?

John K- cool. glad you've found the love of your life :P anyway, each different bow is made for a different person. Like why do you think Yun Mi Jin uses a win&win exfeel (isit an exfeel or a winact? i keep mixing up between those models) instead of some super expensive riser(like the matrix or the NX Xpert)

Jay.G- i don't know exactly what problems. I just heard from the abovementioned guy who put lotsa weight on his bow (BK) that somehow, the four or five or so people from my club who bought aerotec so far (including himself) had problems with it. haha.

[Ja]

yes it is an exfeel,

super expensive? i thought that the matrix was pretty cheap. i guess she just thinks i feels best and shoots it because she likes it.

[Progen]

As far as I know, the most expensive commercially available risers are the European made ones. Something like the Bernardini Aladin. Ugly as hell though. :roll:


http://www.altservices.biz/images/bernaladin.jpg

[Leighton]

The NX is 7 grams lighter than the Helix. So, the weight shouldn't be an issue.

As for stabilizers, if I got to do it all over again with unlimited cash, I'd go with doinkers.

[Progen]

Most people worry about a hundred grams difference between risers but hardly anyone weighs their stabilizers, dampers, backweights or even sights. My thinking's simple. If after a week of adding something new, I find that I've gotten used to it and am shooting fine, it's fine. If I still find it heavy or awkward, off it goes.

[reversehaven]

[quote="Leighton"]The NX is 7 grams lighter than the Helix. So, the weight shouldn't be an issue.[quote]

Hm.. really? 7 grams? hmm.. i remember that the NX is about 100 or so grams lighter than the matrix. So that means the helix is actually lighter than the matrix?

well, actually weight isn't much of an issue to me, after reflecting, i guess. somehow, somewhere i just developed a bias against the aerotec. haha. But i'll try shooting it sometime when i get the chance :D perhaps when i get to meet progen :)

[Jay.G]

ah its a shame tho, i really think i can't shot any other bow beside the aerotec, i mean the helix is nice but thats only the grip but overally i really love the aerotec :oops: :wink: im really wondering which limbs is the best for me, so far i'd say the KG Carbon limbs is my favourite but too expensive then its probably the Samick extremes which i only shot for abit but immediately thought it was good then its probably my G3s then its the CRX which i have now, good limbs but not very smooth.

[Progen]

NX Xpert is listed as 1240 grams.

Aerotec's 1315 grams.

Helix is 1247 grams.

Matrix is 1292grams for a 25 inch riser.

Way I look at it, weightwise, all four of them will feel the same. What's a difference of 65 grams when we don't know the weight of the other components. Even different limbs weigh differently, remember?

[Progen]

NX Xpert is listed as 1240 grams.

Aerotec's 1315 grams.

Helix is 1247 grams.

Matrix is 1292 grams for a 25 inch riser.

Way I look at it, weightwise, all four of them will feel the same. What's a difference of 75 grams when we don't know the weight of the other components? Even different limbs weigh differently, remember?

[reversehaven]

hm... yeah. kinda true :) i see your point. I guess minute differences in weight won't actually matter to me unless i'm grouping like park sung hyun or yun mi jin.

hm. i'll try shooting with an aerotec soon as i have the chance. haha.

jay.g - hm. perhaps shooting and training till you're really really good with not-so-good limbs would be good. like as in, if you actually start shooting at the level of the sea games or olympic archers, then you suddenly change your limbs to those super smooth ones... you'll somehow see your standard jump by quite a lot.

it's probably like playing badminton with a lousy and heavy racquet, then when you're playing at the standard of say, ronald susilo, then you suddenly buy yourself a T-10 or a nanotech racquet, you'll suddenly find yourself smashing with pinpoint accuraccy.

Hm..yeah, anohter thing.. i'm beginning to wonder why people still buy that berdalini risers.. it's friggin ex but it's not as good as the hoyt risers. and yeah. progen. you're right. ugly as hell.

[Progen]

Can't really agree with you there, reversehaven. No matter who you are, no matter what your standard, you aren't going to be shooting at your best if the equipment is not familiar. If you're one of the cream of the crop, of course you'll be shooting better than those of us at the bottom just about any day but you'll only shoot best on equipment that's familiar and tuned to your shooting style, especially for recurves. Even more so if you subscribe to the school of thought that the spine of an arrow is dynamically dependant on release style too.

And I agree with Eberbachl on something he posted on another thread :

'Anyone can benefit from using high end equipment'.

Something like that. It's true. Just because you're a beginner doesn't mean you can't benefit from shooting top end stuff. Just because you don't appreciate it in the beginning stages of archery doesn't mean you shouldn't be using it. A lot of coaches dissuade their students from using A/C/Es and X10s but if you can afford it and are shooting in a controlled environment, ie. a nice field with VERY SHORT grass and no forests surrounding, why not? :lol:

We need to get rid of the thinking that beginners are clowns using crappy equipment passed down from their grandparents or stuff bought cheap off eBay.

[winst]

Iam not saying that i don't believe those number... but the helix is lighter than the matrix... wow

[Kuru]

I very much doubt you will have any problems with the nx xpert riser. W&W may of had a few probs 2 years ago but everyhing is 100% sorted these days

[reversehaven]

progen- haha. what i meant is that... if you shoot for some time with not-so-good limbs and then after a considerable amount of time, change to really really good limbs, you'll find your performance increase by leaps and bounds. I have personal experience with this (i don't dispute the fact that you'll take time to familiarise with the equipment, which, in my point of view, means that while your performance improves by leaps and bounds, that's not the full potential yet until you're familiar with your equipment.)

i agree with you when it comes down to shooting with familiar equipment, as well as equipment that you feel suits your individual (that's why i chose the NX over the matrix. :)

anyway, i believe that high end equipment shouldn't be used till you really reach the level to be able to appreciate it. No harm shooting with low end equipment till you reach somewhere near there, after all, whether high end or low end equipment, you aren't going to win any national titles till you're good enough; although all the more true that on low end equipment you can't shoot as well as on high end equipment.

But to me, only through experiencing true hardship that when you actually reach the position of comfort, you'll truly appreciate it. Born with a silver spoon in your mouth, you'll tend to take things for granted easily.

well, such things are kinda subjective. Different people have different ideals on how to achieve success (in this context, I mean in the case of archery). Well, still, all roads lead to rome. All of us, although on slightly deviating roads, are on the road to say, a gold medal? :P

whoa. stop me. i've become philosophical @_@

kuru- you use an NX too? :)

winst-honestly i don't believe it too... volumetrically, the helix looks like it actually occupies more mass than the matrix does.

cool. I just received news that my NX is coming in another two weeks or so.. WHEEEEEE (i'm going insane....)

[Progen]

Way I look at it, a person who starts off with good equipment is going to progress faster than one with crap. Reasoning is this. With good equipment, especially with good arrows which have been matched to the bow by a good pro shop guy or coach, you know that every arrow which doesn't hit the inner gold is YOUR fault. With crap, you could be shooting for years thinking that it's YOUR fault and you need to work on form so you keep adapting a bit here and there from other archers and you keep trying out new techniques.

[Jay.G]

then again my friend from archery did shoot a 1200 when he was an U14 with a KAP evolution and Carbon impacts, :roll: oi pmoney wasn't your arrow over spined as well?

[Progen]

then again my friend from archery did shoot a 1200 when he was an U14 with a KAP evolution and Carbon impacts, :roll: oi pmoney wasn't your arrow over spined as well?

Go spoil his fun and tell him he could have shot a 1300 with a Helix and G3 limbs. And don't forget the Beiter Centralizer, clicker and Shibuya Ultima sight. ARE Asahi rest and X10s. :lol:

[reversehaven]

whoa. lol. 1300 :P

anyway, progen, point taken :) i see where you're coming from more clearly now. :)

Go spoil his fun and tell him he could have shot a 1300 with a Helix and G3 limbs. And don't forget the Beiter Centralizer, clicker and Shibuya Ultima sight. ARE Asahi rest and X10s.

lawl. that's gonna cost a nuclear bomb. lol.

although i might just go for it if i had the cash. haha. but i've settled for a red NX :D:D

[hoyt for life 2]

that's gonna cost a nuclear bomb. lol.

I'd rather have a nuclear bomb than that gear.

[highway-star]

The NX is 7 grams lighter than the Helix. So, the weight shouldn't be an issue.

As for stabilizers, if I got to do it all over again with unlimited cash, I'd go with doinkers.

Are you talking about the multi or single. Its a bit ex that is why I went for Beiter, I believe it is good. OK, we are talking about recurve right ?

[Progen]

that's gonna cost a nuclear bomb. lol.

I'd rather have a nuclear bomb than that gear.

So which part of that kit do you not fancy? Can't be the riser and limbs because based on your username, you're supposed to be a Hoyt fan.

[reversehaven]

hm. i don't suppose hoyt produces stabilisers? (pardon me if i'm wrong, i'm still kinda new to archery and still kinda new to the companies and the hardware...)

[Jay.G]

lol hoyt does actually except they are mostly for hunting.

[Progen]

hm. i don't suppose hoyt produces stabilisers? (pardon me if i'm wrong, i'm still kinda new to archery and still kinda new to the companies and the hardware...)

Have you guys forgotten about Easton, the parent company? Easton produces the Black Max and A/C/E rods. A long time ago, they produced the X10 rods too.

[Leighton]

The NX is 7 grams lighter than the Helix. So, the weight shouldn't be an issue.

As for stabilizers, if I got to do it all over again with unlimited cash, I'd go with doinkers.

Are you talking about the multi or single. Its a bit ex that is why I went for Beiter, I believe it is good. OK, we are talking about recurve right ?

Either one. I prefer straight rods, but if I used multirods, I'd still go doinker. But alas, I have no money, or rather, I have housing and car payments that make up most of my monthly budget.

Yes, easton makes nice stabilizers, but I'd still use the doinkers. I use ACEs at the moment.

[Archangel]

hm. i don't suppose hoyt produces stabilisers? (pardon me if i'm wrong, i'm still kinda new to archery and still kinda new to the companies and the hardware...)

Have you guys forgotten about Easton, the parent company? Easton produces the Black Max and A/C/E rods. A long time ago, they produced the X10 rods too.
Parent company? Is there a connection there?

I always wondered - 10 or 15 years ago there used to be quite a bit of "Hoyt/Easton" marketing around. It doesn't seem to exist any more, but I always wondered if they were quietly in cahoots.

[Marcus]

not really quietly, Easton own Hoyt, they are across the road from each other.

[Archangel]

not really quietly, Easton own Hoyt, they are across the road from each other.
Well they don't sell themselves as "HoytUSA (an Easton subsidiary)" so it wasn't *quite* as loud as it could have been ;-)

[hoyt for life 2]

that's gonna cost a nuclear bomb. lol.

I'd rather have a nuclear bomb than that gear.

So which part of that kit do you not fancy? Can't be the riser and limbs because based on your username, you're supposed to be a Hoyt fan.
most of the gear is ok but i just find a nuclear bomb much more interesting, and with the money i would make off it i could bie all the archery gear i want and still have enough left for a Farrari or two.

[Progen]

I really have to be careful of you then. Anyone who could sell off a nuclear bomb without Interpol, CIA or the FBI coming down on him has got to be a SOMEBODY. :lol:

[Archangel]

I really have to be careful of you then. Anyone who could sell off a nuclear bomb without Interpol, CIA or the FBI coming down on him has got to be a SOMEBODY. :lol:
I'm more worried by the fact that he can spell "nuclear" but not "buy", or for that matter "Ferrari" ;-)

[Progen]

I'm more worried by the fact that he can spell "nuclear" but not "buy", or for that matter "Ferrari" ;-)

The radiation has gotten to him!!! Look out for anyone with a glowing riser. :robot:

[reversehaven]

wakakaka... perhaps before you see the glowing riser, you might see glowing arrows :P

well, don't worry. he's definitely not a terrorist.. Cuz' if he is, he'll not get hoyt. He'll probably get some arab brand instead. :P like... TOYH or something? :P

hmm. back to topic. Whoa. i didn't know about all the hoyt easton thing... hmm. lol.

Have you guys forgotten about Easton, the parent company? Easton produces the Black Max and A/C/E rods. A long time ago, they produced the X10 rods too.

hm. x-10 rods? hmm. what's the difference between X-10 rods and A/C/E rods?

[dbjac]

X10 were fat ones like the blackmax, only carbon (carbon/alluminium?) rather than just alluminium, and they looked WAAAAAAAY cooler.

[Archangel]

wakakaka... perhaps before you see the glowing riser, you might see glowing arrows :P
Wait, I've seen some of those recently - The One's got a set! :o

[reversehaven]

wakakaka... perhaps before you see the glowing riser, you might see glowing arrows :P
Wait, I've seen some of those recently - The One's got a set! :o

Oh no.. we have many potential nuke terrorists here... @_@

X10 were fat ones like the blackmax, only carbon (carbon/alluminium?) rather than just alluminium, and they looked WAAAAAAAY cooler.

dang man... if i had three wishes.. i'll use my first wish to wish that 50 thousand bucks fell from the sky... and i'll use that to buy myself either vector or G3 or winex limbs, and then i'll get myself a nice and cool stabiliser like the A/C/E or the X10. lol.

okay. trash that. I'll use my first wish to wish for another 100 wishes..........
and i'll wish for the limbs... stabs.....

and glowing arrows :P

[Marcus]

don't like the look of te X10 stabilizer, has some neat tech behind it though, but I suspect most like it because it says X10 on it.

[Archangel]

I always thought it was a bit odd that the X10 stabiliser was rather fatter than the ACE one, whereas the arrows are the reverse. Plus it's not barrelled (AFAIK).

I suspect the names are more about brand recognition than any particular similarity of the technology.

[hoyt for life 2]

I'm more worried by the fact that he can spell "nuclear" but not "buy", or for that matter "Ferrari" ;-)

The radiation has gotten to him!!! Look out for anyone with a glowing riser. :robot:
i dont but if you dont give me 10,000,000 dollars your riser will start to glow from the nuclear bomb under your house. :evil: :P

[Jay.G]

nice avatar reversehaven been watching it at the moment. anyway always thought the X10 stabilizers where more of a compound stab than a recurven one.

[reversehaven]

haha. no wonder i haven't seen anyone use it. honestly speaking, do hunting stabilisers have features like.. quick setup or something like that? like you put your stabliser into the socket hole, twist till a click or something, and you can shoot already?

i'm the kinda lazy guy who likes to have everyting set up in a click kinda thing... or at least, i appreciate the cool look of being able to take off the stabliser in one second and put it back in within another. :P rather than to have to twist till it goes in fully or twist till it comes out.

oh jay you watch naruto too? too bad it's gone into the fillers.

and oh hoyt for life.. .haha.. nukes don't cost $10M... they cost over $100B. just for one bomb.

the amount of radioactive substance they put into a nuclear bomb.. .is just the same amount they need in an entire nuclear plant to run a city for 10 years. 300 grammes. And that 300 grammes is very expensive.. it costs about $100 B to run a city for 10 years. as in one medium sized city. powered by a single nuclear power plant. get the idea? :P

[dbjac]

but having said that, fission of 1 mol of uranium produces 25 million times as much energy as burning of 1 mol of methane, so in the long run its not too bad as an energy source, except for the crap that comes out afterwards...

There is 10kg of plutonium in a nuclear bomb.
Considering 1kg is equivalent to 20,000 tons of TNT... thats pretty cool.
And, only one tenth of 1% of the nuclear material is actually used in producing the energy of the nuclear blast... :o

[dbjac]

i should probably reference my text book in that post, but too bad. :wink:

[hoyt for life 2]

and oh hoyt for life.. .haha.. nukes don't cost $10M... they cost over $100B. just for one bomb.


im not selling it, if progen doesnt give me money my finger might just slip and press the detonate button.

[Marcus]

A Nuke costs $100b
However IF H4L2 aquired that bombs through other means and for less than $10m then he will still make a profit.
Even if he did did actually pay RRP for the Nuke as long as someone didn't say "oh, OK, blow up my house" he would eventually see a return on that investment.

On the other hand a small crack team of mercenaries should allow him to aquire the bomb for around $10m and thus after blackmailing Progen and one of person he will have made a profit.

BTW nuclear energy is great and shame on all the stupid hippies who have done their part to keep us using fossil fuels!

[andrewf87]

Fission reactions ... meh , just wait till perfect the fusion reactor, that will produce some serious power.

[Archangel]

BTW nuclear energy is great and shame on all the stupid hippies who have done their part to keep us using fossil fuels!
Interestingly it's often the same ones protesting nuclear warships, then in the next breath going on about oil and gas etc. Pick one and stick with it...

[dbjac]

Fission reactions ... meh , just wait till perfect the fusion reactor, that will produce some serious power.

Perfect it? how bout wait till they can do it at all.
At the moment they cant control it, and its hard to contain, i mean, it requires a temperature in the order of millions of degrees, and you have to hold it long enough to produce the energy, and then you have to capture the energy somehow...
The longest burst scientists have produced so far lasted 0.2 seconds, produced 10.7million watts, and reached 460 million kelvins.

It doesnt produce any more energy than fission, just less by-products.

But it is really good, because it will be fueled by deuterium, which is increadibly abundant in the ocean! The deuterium from one cubic kilometer of sea water would be equivalent to 1360 billion barrels of crude oil. Which is approximately the total amount of oil that ever existed on the planet :o .

[dbjac]

What is cool though, is the "integral fast reactor". It can cause the fission of both uranium AND plutonium, which eliminates the primary waste of fission. Waste products from this are relatively safe, remaining radioactive for a very short period, in about 200 years it will be no more radioactive than the original ore in the ground!
But as Marcus said, the greenies stop this from happening, because everyone is anti-nuclear power. It is far better than oil.

[Jay.G]

wow thats some nice display of knowledge there. :bday: :bday: :bday: :o

[Marcus]

wow thats some nice display of knowledge there. :bday: :bday: :bday: :oHe's just making it up. Notice that Uranium and Plutonium are named after planets, he's probably got a poster of the solar systema nd is making these names up.

"um yes and that byproduct is Saturnium and when mixed with Jupiterium produces the element asteroidium which can only be broken up 3 times before it ceases to exist which makes it more environmentally friendly.
According to my scientific calculator I keep in my pocket protector this should produce enough energy to power 157 trillion billion gazillion Playstations while only deforming 3rd world countries."

[dbjac]

yeh, the text book knows a lot, im really impressed. :wink:

[andrewf87]

yeh, the text book knows a lot, im really impressed. :wink:

Yeh as if a 2nd year science student who does biol related subjects would know all that ;). Also when i said perfect i meant what u said, before they can do it at all.

[dbjac]

well actually, plutonium might not be named after a planet at all.
There is quite a discussion going on at the moment as to whether or not Pluto should be a planet, they keep finding objects like Pluto, but no one knows if they should become our 10th, 11th etc... planets, or if Pluto should have its planetary staus revoked.

Im not creative enough to make that up. :cry:

And its a graphic calculator!

[Marcus]

well actually, plutonium might not be named after a planet at all.
You wear glasses when you are home alone don't you?

[andrewf87]

I have heard the same thing on ... the discovery channel ! From memory its though that there may be a asterioid belt or something out there and pluto may just be something like that.

[Marcus]

And its a graphic calculator!

You are showing your youth now.

[dbjac]

well actually, plutonium might not be named after a planet at all.
You wear glasses when you are home alone don't you?

Nah, your the one with the dud eyes. :wink:

And its andrew that actually... i cant even say it... "studies"... ouch it hurts to type!! :(

[Jay.G]

hmm keep wondering if you searched it in google or something... :lol:

[Progen]

and oh hoyt for life.. .haha.. nukes don't cost $10M... they cost over $100B. just for one bomb.


im not selling it, if progen doesnt give me money my finger might just slip and press the detonate button.

Give me some time to worship you before you blow a good few thousand folks off the planet.

Here, detonate that bomb! :fist: :fist: :fist:

:lol:

I don't mind going along too. If one little life of mine is worth that of a few thousand, I'll be second to Jesus and above Hitler followed by Osama.

[andrewf87]

well actually, plutonium might not be named after a planet at all.
You wear glasses when you are home alone don't you?
And its andrew that actually... i cant even say it... "studies"... ouch it hurts to type!! :(

It because, if you do engineering the stuff u study is to hard to just pick up just by going to the lectures, so need to go over it otherwise ur in trouble. And aint the person going to the effort of looking up all these facts in my textbooks :P

[Archangel]

It because, if you do engineering the stuff u study is to hard to just pick up just by going to the lectures, so need to go over it otherwise ur in trouble. And aint the person going to the effort of looking up all these facts in my textbooks :P
I feel your pain... :(

[reversehaven]

lol.. looks like there are lots of other archers who are science geeks like me. Care to draw a shear force diagram for your bow? :P

[Progen]

Isn't this forum about archery? :agrue:

[Mike13]

I think technically plutonium and pluto are named after the Roman god of the underworld.

[Archangel]

I think technically plutonium and pluto are named after the Roman god of the underworld.
And Neptunium after their god of the sea - of course since all the planets (except Earth) are named after Roman gods that's hardly surprising ;-)

[hoyt for life 2]

I think technically plutonium and pluto are named after the Roman god of the underworld.
hadies?

you dont have to read text books to learn all that stuff, i understood most of what he said from reading hms unseen (involves terorists and nuclear bombs , and america)

progen, my bomb isnt worth detionating on you. :fist:

[Archangel]

Hades is the Greek name - most of their gods are the same, but they have different names.

[hoyt for life 2]

how do you post so fast, it took you like 4 seconds to reply, i cant even find the post reply button in that time.

[Archangel]

I'm just that good... :D

I'm in the lab at uni at the moment; after messing about with optimisation in C, posting on AF isn't too much of a challenge for the grey matter ;-)

[Progen]

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progen, my bomb isnt worth detionating on you. :fist:

I should be Terrorist Psychology. Obviously my plan worked. Made it appear as if my life ain't worth a dime, then get the terrorist to feel as if he had the upper hand by not killing himself and the hostages. :wink:

Now this is where the commandos rush in, grab you, defuse the bomb and drag you outside for the rest of us to fine tune our bows. Aim for the nose but if you hit the mouth with a bareshaft, you're in tune. :lol:

[hoyt for life 2]

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progen, my bomb isnt worth detionating on you. :fist:

I should be Terrorist Psychology. Obviously my plan worked. Made it appear as if my life ain't worth a dime, then get the terrorist to feel as if he had the upper hand by not killing himself and the hostages. :wink:

Now this is where the commandos rush in, grab you, defuse the bomb and drag you outside for the rest of us to fine tune our bows. Aim for the nose but if you hit the mouth with a bareshaft, you're in tune. :lol:

no, i just know theres no way you will be able to pay the 10 mill, and i would detonate the bomb from remote control you idot.
I'm in the lab at uni at the moment; after messing about with optimisation in C, posting on AF isn't too much of a challenge for the grey matter
yer well i calculated the distance from earth needed to keep a satalite in geostationary orbit and the spot between the earth and the moon where the gravitational force is truely 0 (ignoring the other planets)

[Archangel]

yer well i calculated the distance from earth needed to keep a satalite in geostationary orbit and the spot between the earth and the moon where the gravitational force is truely 0 (ignoring the other planets)
Congratulations, you've find the first Lagrange point; there are four more, so keep looking ;-)

[Progen]

no, i just know theres no way you will be able to pay the 10 mill, and i would detonate the bomb from remote control you idot.


I'm still on top. He thinks he has the upper hand.

[hoyt for life 2]

yer well i calculated the distance from earth needed to keep a satalite in geostationary orbit and the spot between the earth and the moon where the gravitational force is truely 0 (ignoring the other planets)
Congratulations, you've find the first Lagrange point; there are four more, so keep looking ;-)
theres the center of earth

[Archangel]

yer well i calculated the distance from earth needed to keep a satalite in geostationary orbit and the spot between the earth and the moon where the gravitational force is truely 0 (ignoring the other planets)
Congratulations, you've find the first Lagrange point; there are four more, so keep looking ;-)
theres the center of earth
So much for NCEA....
The gravitational force exerted by Earth is 0 at it's centre, but that of the Moon isn't. Try again.
Not that it really matters since it's a bit hard to put anything there anyway :roll:

[reversehaven]

lagrange point?

lagrange as in the lagrange i know? lagrange remainder from mathematical series?

hmm. could someone explain?

[dbjac]

apparently there are 5 lagrange points...
1) between earth and the sun
2) behind earth
3) behind the sun
4) in earth's orbit, but 60 degrees ahead
5) in earth's orbit, but 60 degrees behind.

[BrokenArr0w]

ahem.. :focus: :wink:

[reversehaven]

lol. that's cool. yeah i agree. we've digressed a lot.