Space allocations on the shooting line

[REIDY]

Hi all,

Anyone have the ruling on how much space each archer is allocated on the shooting line and / or how far apart targets need to be? Both for indoor and outdoor target.

Pete

[timppa]

FITA rules:

7.1.1.7 There will be a point marked on the shooting line directly opposite
each target butt. There will also be a number corresponding
to that target butt close to the shooting line. If two or more athletes
are shooting at the same target butt at the same time the
shooting positions will be marked on the shooting line. A minimum
space of 80cm per athlete will be guaranteed. Where athletes
in wheelchair are competing, additional space will be necessary.

[frommy]

Where is Clare when we need her? :roll: :)

Timppa, I think that is the Indoor rule, but wanted to check with the AA rules on that and outdoor question.

Reidy, Sorry I cannot help ATM. I tried but it now seems some IT goose here at work has stuffed up Adobe and I now find I cannot read any .pdf files. 0X

Brian

[timppa]

It is from FITA 2006 Outdoor rule book.

[The One]

800mm for both indoor and outdoor :)

[Peter King]

The 80cm is correct, but it is not right. I think it used to be 90cm but the rule is now as stated.

We should discourage event managers from making this the norm (usually due to financial/profit/space considerations). It is OK for indoor but not outdoor target because at 90m, with the necessary scopes on the line, next to an archer who has an extended follow-through, you end up ducking a swinging stabiliser. (1st hand experience :roll: )

[New Tricks]

What annoys me is idiots who drop their spotting scope right on the absolute centre of the target shooting line then stand a metre or so away from it. When you have 3 up, there is just no room for this. I personally support a restriction on total archer space and think it should be marked on the shooting line. In fact, I support banning the use of spotting scopes all together as nearly everybody uses them as a scoring device not to gauge conditions. 8 power binos are enough for this. Too often there are people holding the line up staring at an arrow trying to work out if it has cut a line or not.

[REIDY]

Thanks for the replies.

80 cm sounded like a lot until I measured it and tried to stand in it. If you use a scope does it have to fit in this area as well?

Pete

[Marcus]

It's pretty easy to fit 3 people and scopes on the line, as long as no princesses try to get comfortable and demand as much space as they have at their own club.

[Zoe]

What annoys me is idiots who drop their spotting scope right on the absolute centre of the target shooting line then stand a metre or so away from it.

Agreed. It's often the haphazard positioning of scopes that contributes to crampedness. Even with restricted spaces, a cooperative arrangement of scopes can make it reasonably comfortable (although walking past them to and from the target can be a challenge). Is there a 'scope etiquette' by the way? For instance pointing one leg of the tripod toward you and straddling it (this would seem the most space-efficient way)?
80cm is pretty tight though, and is often accompanied by the clash of stabiliser on tripod-leg.
We could also promote more left-handed shooting I suppose.

[StevenB]

Thanks for the replies.

80 cm sounded like a lot until I measured it and tried to stand in it. If you use a scope does it have to fit in this area as well?

Pete

yes, that space is also for your scope.


Agree with New Tricks about the cock gobblers (princesses as Marcus put it) who like to have a scope on the line but want to keep there space free. Don't think they need to be banned, but don't be a twat with them

[Aragorn]

Scopes are not mandatory, and if an archer feels himself "uncomfortable" with the thing in his legs he has the right of taking it away...

I did a FITA last sunday with a scope that was annoying me... but I tried to cope with it until the end... and I did!

Space: 80 cm per archer. That means that if you make a "one turn FITA" the space between targets must be at least 240 cm...
For HF the implicit rule is 1m per archer

By the way: ALL of the archer's body and bow and rods must be INSIDE the 80cm lane! So if you have long side rods (or a big abdomen :lol: ) you are not aloud to put your feet right to the limit of your lane. The same applies if you have a very "dynamic" release, with your bow flowing aside: you have to manage to keep all of yourself inside the 80cm lane or whatever is the width of the lanes (try to think it as 2 lateral walls... it may help)

When somebody starts doing weird things such as putting their heels exactly on the division mark I do exactly the same putting my toes just behind him (or vice-versa)... after the first shot (where I also exagerate a bit the dynamicity of my shot) it is strange how far they go!

[kg]

It's pretty easy to fit 3 people and scopes on the line, as long as no princesses try to get comfortable and demand as much space as they have at their own club.


here here, marcus

kg

[Oldtimer]

I support banning the use of spotting scopes all together

This is all very well if you can find your arrows with binoculars. However some of us do not have such wonderful vision, and have trouble finding our arrows even with a 25x spotting scope.

If the space is restricted on the line, I've often put my scope and tripod behind me and taken a half-step back to spot the arrow.

[Betty-Anne]

We had a really good example of 'space' problems at the Nationals in Morwell. If the three grils in question had just had a quiet friendly chat about who was standing where and who had scopes to deal with, before the shooting started then it maybe there would have been fewer tears.

But I think that 80cm isn't enough room!!!

[katzgrin]

Is there any rule for distance between butts for right and left handers :D

[Betty-Anne]

My understanding is that you just have to stay within your 80cm. But if you can organise it so that a lefty and a righty are looking at each other then their scopes can usually mesh in together which obviously frees up space or sometimes they can use the same scope. Of course that's a big ask if they can't stand the sight of one another. :D

[frommy]

I just got into the AA Rule book .pdf file for Outdor Target Archery which states, as at 1/7/05 :

9.2.4 Targets shall be such that there is at least 1m per archer per detail per target, and there shall be at least 5m between shooting lanes where the distances being shot are different.

9.2.5 Shooting lanes shall be at right angles to the shooting and target lines, the width of each being sufficient to accommodate all the archers on each target.


Brian

[frommy]

AA Rule Book for Indoor Target Archery states:

[quote]10.2.2 (7) Points on the shooting line directly opposite the centre of each target face shall be marked, allowing a minimum of 80cm per archer.[quote]

[James Park]

My experience is that given a sensible approach by those on the target, 80cm per archer is fine, with telescopes. 100cm is of course better, but 80cm is enough. I have only seen problems where one or more of the archers on the target did not behave in an acceptable manner.
I think it is essential to allow archers to have telescopes: it is virtually impossible to achieve very high scores without one as (for the compound men at least) it is necessary to average well over 9 per arrow (9.5 per arrow to get into the 1360's for a FITA), and you simply lose too many points from having your groups off-centre if you do not have a telescope and check where most arrows are landing.

[wiggles]

One type of unacceptable behaviour; When I was at full draw, the Guy next to, when looking through his scope, me would throw his bow back and up colliding with my stabiliser. Very annoying.

[doug timbs]

I've seen a number of juniors get chipped about scopes, but they don't seem to be quite as strict with the seniors. And it appears the vets never get pulled up. I have seen one particular vet at a number of shoots who sets her scope up in one bay and then shoots in the bay beside it. Even seen her about to move one of the juniors scopes because she wanted that bay, luckily there was a parent handy.
Also seen juniors get chipped for spotting their last arrow, and then look up the line and see a number of seniors doing the same thing and nothing is said.
Everyone is very quick to have a go at the juniors, and sometimes they need it, the little buggers can be a bit steady when it comes to scoring,but if rules are going to be applied, make sure they apply to everyone.

Doug