Now this is accuracy !!

[James Park]

H.Shooter went to Sherbrooke today.
I used my AR34 with X10's sizes 450 and 410.
The only decent target face was an 80cm one, so we started at 50M.
After a couple of sighting arrows, I shot two ends: 120 with 12 X's.
I decided that staying at 50M would result in arrow damage, so I went to 70M, still at the 80cm face. 60 with 4 X's (the group was slightly off centre).

What did I learn:
- My bow is far more accurate than me. Lost points are definitely me, not the gear (or at least "not this set of gear").
- You do need to wait for the wind to die down. It was quite gusty, and if I shot during a gust I got 10's and 9's even though the aim was good.
- Both the 450's and 410's grouped well.
- I think H.Shooter would be pretty difficult to beat in a competition.
- H.Shooter can indeed shoot an end within the required time limit.

(The 80cm face now has no X ring).

http://www.dva.asn.au/af/HS190506/May200650M80cm1.jpg
50m 80cm 450 X10's 1st end

http://www.dva.asn.au/af/HS190506/May200650M80cm2.jpg
50m 80cm 450 X10's 1st end

http://www.dva.asn.au/af/HS190506/May200650M80cm3.jpg
50m 80cm 450 X10's 2nd end

http://www.dva.asn.au/af/HS190506/May200650M80cm4.jpg
50m 80cm 450 X10's 2nd end

http://www.dva.asn.au/af/HS190506/May200670M80cm1.jpg
70m 80cm 410 X10's

http://www.dva.asn.au/af/HS190506/May200670M80cm2.jpg
70m 80cm 410 X10's

http://www.dva.asn.au/af/HS190506/May2006HS.jpg
The Setup

[Dave Barnes]

that would be some fun to play with.

Would you expect similar results from a recurve?

[NOCK HUNTER]

So no discrepancy's between the two spines is interesting.

Not that it would affect me that much as i don't have the accuracy of the H.S.

[James Park]

H.Shooter cannot shoot a recurve, but I think it would work as well.
Yes, definitely lots of fun.

It sort of goes like this:
- Load arrow.
- Wind the bow back.
- Aim it carefully.
- Pick up cable release.
- Look through telescope and wait for the gusts to die down.
- Press the cable release and see the arrow appear in the X.

[recurve boy]

H.Shooter cannot shoot a recurve

Why not?

[apexrob]

It would be interesting too see groups at 90M.

[primal]

H.Shooter cannot shoot a recurve

Why not?

you must use a relase aid. fingers get very different results to a relase.

Hay Jim!! why so many nocks left??? :P

i also look forward to mr h. shooter gaining a few new records , :lol:

[Hannah]

The accuracy of that thing is incredibly impressive!!!

Man, just goes to show how much work I have to do yet!!!

Oh, to be a machine!

[recurve boy]

H.Shooter cannot shoot a recurve

Why not?

you must use a relase aid. fingers get very different results to a relase.

Can't we just use a release aid then? We are only interested in the theoretical maximum ...

[James Park]

A recurve needs the arrow to flex horizontally so that it will clear the rest and button. Hence the finger release is important.

[2Dogs]

Still say spot Hogg could machine up a recurve finger attachment.

Jim

Go Shoot 90M........NOW! :D

I want to see how it goes.

I still say it was BS that DC outshot one of those things.

[Marcus]

Not if he kicked it before getting it to release

[Liam]

Wow, that is impressive.

[Peter King]

Very impressive! Would like to see what it could have done at 90m at Chewton today and Wednesday....Lengthy periods of No wind. Small leaves wafted slowly down to earth.

[BrokenArr0w]

lol.. watch out clint! :D

[John K]

Very impressive, and what a great looking venue.

[dbjac]

:o wow. thats pretty darn good.

Yeh, im with you on this one 2dogs, now i really doubt cousins beat a hooter shooter.

[James Park]

Yes, the HS is pretty accurate.
However, don't under estimate just how good some of those top archers really are. I have shot with many of them (Freeman, Dudley, Cousins, Sitar and White, for example) and they are impressively accurate. I have seen Clint shoot a 60 with 5 X's at 70M in gusty conditions (there is a picture of that one in "Mastering Compound Bows"). I watched Chris shoot a 300 with 30 X's at Las Vegas this year. Those guys get X counts that are wonderfully high. They are a large step above the rest of us (even if we might think we are pretty good from time to time) and it is a mighty gulf to step over to get there.
While I have not yet tried 90M with the HS, I do think it will take pretty good conditions to get more than Clint's World Record. 347 is an exceedingly impressive score.

[StevenB]

Jim, what if you had an indoor 90m range?

[James Park]

My first impressions of using the HS at long distances are:
- While it is pretty easy to get an excellent score, it is not as easy as it looks to just keep shooting 60's.
- Wind drift was definitely noticable at 70M yesterday (in fact it was at times quite gusty). Remember that wind drift increases as the distance squared, so it it much worse at 70M and 90M than at 30M and 50M.
- So long as I shot between gusts the accuracy was pretty good (stunning, actually).
- While I have not yet tried 90M with the HS, I think it will take an excellent day to get over Clint's World record. On a day with no drift (or indoors) I think the HS could quite readily get over Clint's 347. Hence, it does not surprise me at all that Clint's record has stood for so long - it is just plain difficult to get a day good enough to do it, and the score is really high. (I can remember when Clint got the FITA record and all four distance records on the same day - a few of us noted that most would probably go relatively soon but that the 90M record would stay for ages).
- On days when I have shot very well (over 350 at 70M), I have certainly noticed that just a small wind drift can really take the edge off it. It does not take much wind to get you into the 9, and then a really high score is very challenging. Just one end where the wind drift gets you and it is then too difficult to get the very high score (as with John Dudley's 90M at the Nationals: just one end of 53 stopped his 1400). It does not surprise me to find that one end you can get a 60 at 70M really easily and the very next end it can be a struggle to get even a 55 - subtle wind drifts are all it takes, and you might not even notice them.

[Shirt]

So assuming an HS (or near enough) level of accuracy, guessing what the wind will do to your arrows and timing your shot is more important... I think it's possible that DC did beat a Hooter Shooter, if there was some sort of wind (so not done indoors) and they had a complete monkey (like me) smacking the button on the HS.

[dbjac]

Well, assuming it was at the same time as DC shot the 1434 in the easton testing facility (probably wasn't), do you think the hootershooter would drop 6 points in a FITA? (dave dropped them at 90, or so i hear)

[2Dogs]

Dunno.

DC shot that indoor fita shoot in the US 6months or so ago and shot 1414, 1416.

Fantastic shooting.......... but going from that to a 1434.....?

That is one freaky big difference :wink:

[dbjac]

oh, interesting. Well i heard that he'd shot a 1434 at the indoor easton testing facility...
but then, it could be a case of chinese whispers... purple monkey dishwasher!

[Shirt]

Knew the thread was on here somewhere...

http://www.archery-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=81456&start=0

[Leighton]

Interesting repercussions for O-round shooting. Assuming, and I'm making a very large assumption, that two identical archers are shooting against each other, the archer with less wind during his/her shooting times will have a large edge.

[James Park]

Yes, I think it does make a significant difference in alternating shooting. I suspect that the Athens Olympic venue may not have been fair in that respect.

[Freeman]

There is so much an archer has to worry about at full draw let alone what the wind or shooting conditions are doing.

Keeping the bow upright(level level)
having the scope in dead center in the peep
trying to hold it steady enough
and most important...LUCK

I doubt that an archer would beat the HS.....though not saying its impossible a anything is possible, but it would take one of the luckiest days alive.

Jim, have you tried canting the bow to see how much bubble does what?

[James Park]

Jim, have you tried canting the bow to see how much bubble does what?
Not yet, but it is on my list. I have calculated what it should be, so I want to verify that my maths is correct.

[Brad]

Jim have you tried an 'untuned' bow yet? I mean have you tried it with say the the launcher off to the left or right??

It would be interesting to see if an 'untuned' bow still puts the arrows where it's aimed.

[2Dogs]

A PSE could be defined as an "Untuned" Bow :D

[James Park]

Brad,
No, not yet.