Ideas for a ranking round / matchplay system (handicapped)

[Dave Barnes]

What I am thinking of is a way to have a shoot which involves a ranking round (72 arrows @ a distance) and then some matchplay afterwards. Not for serious competetion but just to give people an opportunity to shoot in a matchplay type shoot more often.

I want to try and make it as even as possible for the different age groups but also keep it simple to understand. An idea is to have the ranking round done at different distances for different age groups, and then give handicaps for recurve over compound, and male over female.

Open: 70m
U18: 70m
U16: 60m
u14: 55m
U12: 40m

One way i was thinking of working out handicaps is using the national tournament records from each division at the distance, finding the average score, giving mens compound 0 handicap, and all the other some amount of +ve h/cap depending on how different the average is.
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So basically all archers know what distance there are shooting by their age group, and they know what it their handicap for either the RR or a 12 arrow match by their sex and box type.

For a ranking round:
Mens compound: 0
Mens Recurve: +22
Ladies Compound: +27
Ladial recurve: +50

12 Arrow match
Mens compound: 0
Mens Recurve: +4
Ladies Compound: +5
Ladial recurve: +8

By looking at those scores, I would tend to lower the Female Recurve Handicap to +40 for RR and +7 for 12 arrow match as I think a couple of those records are a fair bit lower then the rest.

Haven't really done much thinking about a matchplay system, but I think a round robin would be the go so its not just one match, you loose, go home for half the people. I would thik ideally maybe 3-4 matches to determine a winner. Or have 3 matches to get the top 4 ranked people, the have 1 v 2 in gold medal, and 3v4 in bronze to give them an oppurtunity to have some people watching/heckling. It will also not make it drag out for to long.

This is just a random thought for the morning. Keen to hear peoples ideas, feedback etc.....

Cheers

[Brett k]

Nice ideas I like the system. We have been throwing a few ideas arround at our club and the problem that a round robin has, is that after the ranking 72 have been shot the time involved for a round robin. What if you have 60 shooters and they all shoot against everyone else could take a week.
An idea that we had is to rank the archers and place them on the line in order of top shooter vs lowest, second vs second lowest .ect. winner moves right, loser moves left. This will half the number of rounds and keep everyone shooting all day. .ie. 10 shooters 5 rounds.

[Dave Barnes]

When I say round robin i wasnt thinking of a strict round robin where everyone plays against everyone. Im sure there is a way of doing it so you could shoot say 3 matches and then be able to pick the best people to do a match infront of the others. Maybe you could split it into pools of 4 people and everyone shoots against everyone in the pool and then have a way to work out who the 4 highest people are. Obviously number of wins would be most important, but if a few people tie with say 2 wins, you could then look at their total score, or the total margin they won/lost all the matches by.

[Ahn-Nyong]

When I say round robin i wasnt thinking of a strict round robin where everyone plays against everyone. Im sure there is a way of doing it so you could shoot say 3 matches and then be able to pick the best people to do a match infront of the others. Maybe you could split it into pools of 4 people and everyone shoots against everyone in the pool and then have a way to work out who the 4 highest people are. Obviously number of wins would be most important, but if a few people tie with say 2 wins, you could then look at their total score, or the total margin they won/lost all the matches by.

Great idea!

Round robins could be conducted as follows, using a similar format as FITA Match Play Seeding Diagrams, e.g.

Say 32 archers