2012 Olympics-Compounds...It just might happen

[Freeman]

There is a slight whisper on the international circuit that compounds could be heading for the olympics for 2012....however what compounds will be shooting(round type) is the question. It is wanting to keep compounds seperate from the recurve in having their very own round...maybe displaying how accurate an arrow can be....so the round may not be outdoors and may not be at 18mtrs......so the question is what would best show the accuracy of a bow......50mtrs ? 60mtrs?...what face size?
How would the round want to be run so that the archers have a fair run?
Would it need a face to face type knock out system or the matchplay as is now?
So what can we come up with if this is true?

[Marcus]

What about the same format used at the World Field? That would be neat.

[Dave Barnes]

How would the round want to be run so that the archers have a fair run?
i think 3 arrow matches would definately be the fairest way to find the best archer

[Flame]

Hit - Miss Target 80cm at 50m

[James Park]

I am tempted to say "Iron Turkey".

However, why not FITA Field? It would be excellent for TV.

[Freeman]

Field would not be out of the question....as there are a couple of other sports using field/bushy areas.....such as mountain biking and setting the coarse up as a viewer friendly event would not be that hard

[2Dogs]

What about at each other? :wink:

Very spectator friendly

[Ed]

Field would not be out of the question....as there are a couple of other sports using field/bushy areas.....such as mountain biking and setting the coarse up as a viewer friendly event would not be that hard
I like bushy areas

[tom_the_tank]

When I was at the junior nationals, I heard that compound may be in the Commonwealth games, not the Olympics.

I think field would be a great idea but I don't really see how it would be spectator friendly. I personally think that the general public will never find archery an entertaining sport unless of course we start shooting those things that the shotgunners shoot, traps i think they're called. Whenever my dad watches me shoot, he says it is almost as entertaining as watching grass grow.

2012, hah! maybe I could go, in time.

[Liam]

If you set up a really intimidating field course, it could be interesting... (From a spectators point of view I mean, I find any archery great to watch! (Well almost) )

[The One]

If you set up a really intimidating field course, it could be interesting... (From a spectators point of view I mean, I find any archery great to watch! (Well almost) )

It's better in my opinion, as you can see how certain archers go at specific targets, where in Target archery, there are just too many archers shooting to make it worth bothering. Might be covered by the media in a similar way to the biathalon in the Winter Olympics.

[Ja]

clout :P

[New Tricks]

How about non-inner 10 scoring, 25m, 40 cm face. Like the round they shot for a couple of years. Is far enough away to allow for 9s but close enough for some good shooting. Make the max arrow width something skinny and run with that. Would be indoors and kind of like pistol shooting TV wise. Unless archers start looking like Calvin Klein models (apart from me) and wear budgie smugglers and G String bikinis, the game is never going to do well on TV.

[Patchy]

I think field would be a great idea but I don't really see how it would be spectator friendly

Thats like saying Golf isnt a very spectator friendly sport

[New Tricks]

No it is not. Golf is very spectator friendly because the sport has a massive following. Archery is not because it does not. To compare the two, the archery associations need to do some serious work to get a decent player base and to shake some (sometimes deserved) stereotypes.

[Sandy Hancock]

I don't shoot one (yet!), but for what it's worth, I'd say field is the logical discipline for compounds.
I reckon the TV audience would dig it. Crowd control at the venue would obviously need to be pretty tight.

[New Tricks]

Field is easily the best test for a compound archer. Everyone shoots the same shot under the same conditions. There is no random wind gust to allow for the unknown. Too many pretenders avoid the Field game.

[Bruce]

I'd recon Field , would be the best , short matches , 3 arrows a target an archer , easy to keep track of for the viewers , even shoot just 12 targets then have a 12 target nockout series

[James Park]

Field is easily the best test for a compound archer. Everyone shoots the same shot under the same conditions. There is no random wind gust to allow for the unknown. Too many pretenders avoid the Field game.
You are under-estimating the challenge of a long distance target round here. It is a more severe test than field.
However I think field would be good for compounds in the Olympics because the tv would be better.

[apexrob]

Indoor 70M I say !

[cschach]

I think something fieldish for sure. Lots of novelty obstacles. Lots of rear-ended arrow shafts.

Spectators lining the sides of the shooting lane to add a sense of danger. Kind of like golf or rally driving. :P

Can't wait.

[Marcus]

Syncronized archery
2 competitors have to shoot at exactly the same time. Bonus points awarded if their bows are the same speed as well.

Beach archery
Same old game, but with a swinging Malibu soundtrack

It's a Knockout Archery
Competitors have to run through an obsticle course shooting targets at stations. If they hit the middle water is dumped on their competitor. Even more amusing would be watching all the fat compounders run.

Archery Darts
Based on normal darts, also set in an Irish pub, archers must hold their Guiness while shooting

[Peter King]

Marcus wrote:
Beach archery
Same old game, but with a swinging Malibu soundtrack

Mmm. it worked for volleyball...what would the dress code be?

[Marcus]

Boadshorts and short sleave shirts for the guys and bikinis for the chicks.
Only florals in true malibu style.

[New Tricks]

Boadshorts and short sleave shirts for the guys

And this is different from normal attire how? :fadein:

[apexrob]

Syncronized archery
2 competitors have to shoot at exactly the same time. Bonus points awarded if their bows are the same speed as well.

Beach archery
Same old game, but with a swinging Malibu soundtrack

It's a Knockout Archery
Competitors have to run through an obsticle course shooting targets at stations. If they hit the middle water is dumped on their competitor. Even more amusing would be watching all the fat compounders run.

Archery Darts
Based on normal darts, also set in an Irish pub, archers must hold their Guiness while shooting

Here's one I'm sure the Victorians would take out ..
"Mardi Gra Archery" , You could have Marcus leading the show standing on a Giant Doinker Chubby whilst Primal waves his Glow-Sticks worshiping, James Parks wearing a propeller hat calculating the Gayness factor " Good Golly Gosh, I disagree , we are far gay'er then Elton" and Luke trying to hit the blow up man doll with a 80cm face on his arse !

[New Tricks]

'Put your hands up in the air!'

[Marcus]

:sleeping:

[apexrob]

:sleeping:

Dreaming about coaching again....shucks!! :D

[primal]

Here's one I'm sure the Victorians would take out ..
"Mardi Gra Archery" , You could have Marcus leading the show standing on a Giant Doinker Chubby whilst Primal waves his Glow-Sticks worshiping, James Parks wearing a propeller hat calculating the Gayness factor " Good Golly Gosh, I disagree , we are far gay'er then Elton" and Luke trying to hit the blow up man doll with a 80cm face on his a*se !

wow rob you thought of that quick.... its almost like you were already thinking about it before this thread started......... hmmmm.

[apexrob]

wow rob you thought of that quick.... its almost like you were already thinking about it before this thread started......... hmmmm.

It comes naturally whenever I look at your avatar or posts. Suck it up fool.

[Marcus]

Admin hat on

OK everyone settle down, bring this back on topic before rob throws another tantrum and storms off again (a-la 2Dogs as admin days)

[primal]

Suck it up fool.

hay just cause you have fantasies about me doesn't mean i am into that sort of thing.

[Patchy]

Here's one I'm sure the Victorians would take out ..
"Mardi Gra Archery" , You could have Marcus leading the show standing on a Giant Doinker Chubby whilst Primal waves his Glow-Sticks worshiping, James Parks wearing a propeller hat calculating the Gayness factor " Good Golly Gosh, I disagree , we are far gay'er then Elton" and Luke trying to hit the blow up man doll with a 80cm face on his a*se !

:rofl: oh that sums it all up :lol:

[Patchy]

and this also sums it up http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2184/primal8ko.gif

nice little avatar for anyone who wants it :D

[primal]

and this also sums it up http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2184/primal8ko.gif

nice little avatar for anyone who wants it :D

give it to rob he loves my face :D.

[primal]

I say field as well. if you look at coverage of the 3d in the us its quite good. very golfish from what little ihave seen. but always plenty going on as you have one guy shooting at any one of 30 targets at any given time.

iwould say field would be better from a telly and spectator point of view. as oppesed to test cricket/ fita target archery, about as exciting to watch as grass grow.

[Flame]

Even more amusing would be watching all the fat compounders run.

You could incorporate the worlds biggest loser into it :D

[Flex]

But there would be some old buggers probably make it..Unless they did have running...

[Eberbachl]

Luke trying to hit the blow up man doll with a 80cm face on his a*se...

Are you going for the job of the blow up man doll Rob? :P

Syncronized archery
2 competitors have to shoot at exactly the same time. Bonus points awarded if their bows are the same speed as well.

Beach archery
Same old game, but with a swinging Malibu soundtrack

It's a Knockout Archery
Competitors have to run through an obsticle course shooting targets at stations. If they hit the middle water is dumped on their competitor. Even more amusing would be watching all the fat compounders run.

Archery Darts
Based on normal darts, also set in an Irish pub, archers must hold their Guiness while shooting

I vote for it's a knockout!

:rofl:

...but seriously, of the above suggestions:

I vote

1: FITA Field. Great game. 'nuff said.

2: Indoor FITA - 25m would be good...compounders are too accurate to make it interesting for spectators at 18m IMHO (**** - even I can shoot 300's). 25m would allow for a few nines, and make the game a little more interesting.

[James Park]

Regarding indoor: I found watching the third round and then the knock-out final at Las Vegas this year for the men's compound to be quite compelling. It would work.
However, I think that a properly done FITA field would be better for tv. A lot of thought would need to be given to the course design, and I would make it two marked rounds plus finals as now used for the FITA Field World Championships.

[Clare Barnes]

2: Indoor FITA - 25m would be good...compounders are too accurate to make it interesting for spectators at 18m IMHO (sh*t - even I can shoot 300's). 25m would allow for a few nines, and make the game a little more interesting.

On a FITA 18m Indoor face using the compound inner 10? Obviously the current records will be sent tumbling at the Indoor Nationals! :D

FITA 25m Indoor uses a 60cm face... :P

[Eberbachl]

Regarding indoor: I found watching the third round and then the knock-out final at Las Vegas this year for the men's compound to be quite compelling. It would work.
However, I think that a properly done FITA field would be better for tv. A lot of thought would need to be given to the course design, and I would make it two marked rounds plus finals as now used for the FITA Field World Championships.

I Agree that watching high level indoor such as Vegas is exciting Jim, but we're archers.

I think many of the public could get bored with 18m outer ten scoring. Inner ten may work but I think outer ten wouldn't be interesting enough.

...you can see it now:

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I wonder how long a non archer would watch that?

[Eberbachl]

2: Indoor FITA - 25m would be good...compounders are too accurate to make it interesting for spectators at 18m IMHO (sh*t - even I can shoot 300's). 25m would allow for a few nines, and make the game a little more interesting.

On a FITA 18m Indoor face using the compound inner 10? Obviously the current records will be sent tumbling at the Indoor Nationals! :D

FITA 25m Indoor uses a 60cm face... :P

Nono...sorry - of course I meant outer ten. And at 25m I was referring to NT's suggestion of 25m on a 40cm face.

;)

I think FITA 18m indoor using the compound inner ten would work quite nicely.

[James Park]

Why not aim at FITA Field for the Outdoor Olympics and FITA Indoor for the Winter Olympics? (I have heard that increasing the number of events for the Winter Olympics is desired).

[Eberbachl]

Why not aim at FITA Field for the Outdoor Olympics and FITA Indoor for the Winter Olympics? (I have heard that increasing the number of events for the Winter Olympics is desired).

Now you're talking Jim!

FITA field in Summer, and FITA 18m inner ten indoor in the Winter Olympics would be freaking awesome ;)

[rachel]

Why not have it like the Great Outdoor Games in America? They get a lot of coverage on TV and it's not just boring shooting targets, it's a thinking game as well.

[rabbitz]

I think many of the public could get bored with 18m outer ten scoring. Inner ten may work but I think outer ten wouldn't be interesting enough.

...you can see it now:

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I wonder how long a non archer would watch that?

ISSF Smallbore Rifle 50m Prone suffered from this in Olympic & World Cup matches. The solution was to shoot finals round where each of the final 8 competitors have a 10 shot shoot off with scores being immediately posted on the screens and with VERY strict time limits. If at the end of the shoot off there are still tied scores (it does happen regularily) there is a sudden death, shot for shot shoot off. Again the scores are immediately posted on the display screens.

(It must be noted that electronic targets are used which helps with the speedy display updates.)

It actually works and does make for more interesting TV than a bunch of shooters lying or standing terribly still.

Rabz

[BrokenArr0w]

err.. y not normal matchplay, but at 90m?

same set up, same rules, but the compounders shot from 90..

that would allow for some error on the compounders behalf..

[grim_reaper]

as for the winter olimpics, why not incorporate 2 sports, kinda like in those medieval movies where you see the archer ride through on horse back nailing the bullseye, but only on snowboard or ski-doo... now thats entertainment :)

[alexvpaq]

Swat training field, with archer running through it shooting the target, the team who do it faster than the other win....

Now , that's a physical, mental, and it involve archey could be nice to watch LOL

[apexrob]

Swat training field, with archer running through it shooting the target, the team who do it faster than the other win....

Now , that's a physical, mental, and it involve archey could be nice to watch LOL

nahh, most of the top compounders are fat. That wouldn't work. 8)

[primal]

Swat training field, with archer running through it shooting the target, the team who do it faster than the other win....

Now , that's a physical, mental, and it involve archey could be nice to watch LOL

nahh, most of the top compounders are fat. That wouldn't work. 8)

:rofl: yeah but that way they roll better.

[Marcus]

most of the top compounders are fat
Only in Queensland, Of Vic's current competitive 1330+ compound men I can't think of one who is overweight.

[dbjac]

yeah, i cant think of any elite overweight compounders in VIC... Marcel maybe, but i think he's just big, and he doesnt shoot much anymore.

[New Tricks]

I am phat.

[2Dogs]

It's just all the Latte's that do it to us.

How's that Petshop boys song go

"West End Boys......."

BTW Marcus..... :fist:

[Marcus]

BTW Marcus..... :fist:
I was just thinking of Rob, but if you want to throw yourself in that's cool too. :D

[2Dogs]

:D...... :fist: :fist:

[apexrob]

most of the top compounders are fat
Only in Queensland, Of Vic's current competitive 1330+ compound men I can't think of one who is overweight.

Pity you can't shoot a 1330 Marcus :lol:

[Marcus]

Marcus Anear VIC Australia 318 337 327 349 1331

:P

[James Park]

From the Ranking round yesterday: Marcus had 655 for the first half, then we had to go to Leigh and Annette's wedding. 655 usually turns into 1340+ and possibly 1350.

[New Tricks]

Coulda woulda shoulda

[Marcus]

I'm in no hurry, not like I'm going to die of obesity anytime soon.

[dbjac]

Yeh, Marcus was definately shooting well. It would have been very interesting to see him finish.
I wish he could have given me his 90m score when he left, 319 at 90 would have got me 1351.

[apexrob]

I'm in no hurry, not like I'm going to die of obesity anytime soon.

Marcus, I don't know where you get this all this obesity **** from, though if you call 102kg/6ft tall obeist, there must be alot of dying obeist blokes in Aus. Personally I don't care about your comments, I'd rather be the weight Iam , then the little bitch build that you are. Congrats on the 1331, maybe you might get your ranking up to 18 instead of 20! :D

[apexrob]

From the Ranking round yesterday: Marcus had 655 for the first half, then we had to go to Leigh and Annette's wedding. 655 usually turns into 1340+ and possibly 1350. :lol: WOW !

[Eberbachl]

I'm in no hurry, not like I'm going to die of obesity anytime soon.

Marcus, I don't know where you get this all this obesity sh*t from, though if you call 102kg/6ft tall obeist, there must be alot of dying obeist blokes in Aus. Personally I don't care about your comments, I'd rather be the weight Iam , then the little bitch build that you are. Congrats on the 1331, maybe you might get your ranking up to 18 instead of 20! :D

102kg/6ft makes a BMI of 30.4

Yep, that's obese, and yep there are lots of obese people in Australia.

[Mike13]

then the little bitch build that you are.
You forgot healthy.

[apexrob]

:roll:
Back to the topic.

[Shermo]

It's OK Timmsy :D My BMI is way higher than yours, I'm nearly 6'4" and weigh 140kg :o :o :lol: Not that I'm a top compounder though 8)

Back on topic;

I like the idea of a Fita Field round, it would look great televised. A few years back (1996 :wink: ) I watched a video that had been done of the IBO Worlds, and it was filmed/produced very well.

Possibly an idea for the Olympic event would be to zap between targets, as is done with Golf, having competitor totals watermarked in the top corner of the screen (ie; Mr Archer 179 points after 12 targets). Also a computer generated view of the target from above showing the distance, or even a side section/elevation view of the target showing the angle up or down to the target and any gullies etc in the line to the target.

A split screen may also work, with a view of the archer, and a close of the target face on the other half of the screen. This could also alternate between a view from the target back at the archer, and a close up view of the target face.

Just a view ideas :D

[2Dogs]

No back to the **** fight. :wink:

02kg/6ft makes a BMI of 30.4

Yep, that's obese, and yep there are lots of obese people in Australia.

Farrrrrrrrrrrrq :lol: ... Obese my arse...... Jacko, now's there's a fat **** :wink:

[Marcus]

Don't cry, it's all in good fun, and I didn't say you were obese, just that I won't die from it any time soon.

I'm pretty happy with my archery progress, couldn't care less who beats me.

[2Dogs]

:rofl:...dam victorians.. always quiting when the fists are about to fly.

[dbjac]

That wouldnt be a fair fight at all. None of us are 6ft tall and obese.

[Eberbachl]

That wouldnt be a fair fight at all. None of us are 6ft tall and obese.

:rofl:

I was :D

...but you could probably blow me over with a feather now though.

Somehow I can still luck in a 1330.

:rofl:

[2Dogs]

http://users.on.net/~pmalynn/images/Archery/capwank.jpg

fight fight fight!

[Flex]

I thought you may have mellowed 2dogs but your even worse with no pound to play in :wink:

[katzgrin]

Why not aim at FITA Field for the Outdoor Olympics and FITA Indoor for the Winter Olympics? (I have heard that increasing the number of events for the Winter Olympics is desired).

Now you're talking Jim!

FITA field in Summer, and FITA 18m inner ten indoor in the Winter Olympics would be freaking awesome ;)

For the indoor. First half of the round - line cutters are accepted. Second half - touch or cut the line lower value counts. No changing arrows halfway through. Would bring the judges into the picture and could provide some interesting dummy spits :D

[New Tricks]

Did I mention I am phat?

[Clare Barnes]

For the indoor. First half of the round - line cutters are accepted. Second half - touch or cut the line lower value counts. No changing arrows halfway through. Would bring the judges into the picture and could provide some interesting dummy spits :D

Archers doing dummy spits? You must be only thinking of compounders... :wink:

[Eberbachl]

Did I mention I am phat?

Fat and phat!

Man, you've got everything!

:rofl:

[katzgrin]

Archers doing dummy spits? You must be only thinking of compounders... :wink:

Longbowers have their work cut out just being at the shoot. There is no mental capacity left over for dummy spits. Apart from that they go into shock if they actually hit a target, let alone the right one. 8)

[grim_reaper]

shot down :P wheres the comeback?

[winst]

aren't guns already in the olympics...? :wink:

[primal]

Did I mention I am phat?

Fat and phat!

Man, you've got everything!

:rofl:

thats what being eurorad will do to you. :lol:

[apexrob]

Tell me how Rad you are Newtricks? Is it really that Euro, or is 2Dogs just telling me lies? :D

[New Tricks]

Think of a great big rad thing and make it radder. That is nearly as rad as me. Nearly.

[dbjac]

and nearly as big. Nearly.

[Hannah]

Back to topic.

Just wondering...does it matter all that much how interesting the sport is to watch? I mean take any number of sports in the Olympics (ie swimming, discus, shotput, javelin, lawn bowls etc) and a lot of them aren't really all that interesting to watch. Nine times out of ten, the only reason anybody watches them is because there are people from your country in them! I am not saying that public interest is important, but I am saying that if it is a sport that people are interested in, or just curious about, then they are going to watch it anyway.

Of course, I understand that being the first time into the olympics that there is a certain amount of natural "pressure to perform" and we would want it to continue to get a spot at the olympics but even more reason, in my opinion, to keep it as 'normal' as possible ie no 'touching the line then lesser score counts' as that is not the way that most people practice and thus would mean interesting qualifying!!!