2006 Australian Indoor Championships

[Marcus]

The website, results and entries listing site is now online here

http://www.archery-forum.com/indoor/

[bilnic]

Hi Marcus

me again ...

could the following divisions be added to the Nationals drop down menu so that I can finalise putting in the entries from WA please???:

Ladies Longbow

Veteran Mens Longbow

Many thanks

Bilnic.

[bilnic]

Hi Marcus

Please add the Veteran Mens Longbow division to the list.

Many thanks

Bilnic
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Please .....

[2Dogs]

Is that about 598 entries so far?

WOW!

Blow that one out your Arse New Tricks! :rofl:

This is going to be great.....see the Depth of the field in the open Mens Comp.....awesome. Sure beats shooting against 8 guys

[PeterBennett]

10 in the longbow section, I love this idea, it is working well

[Marcus]

May be more to come yet, 600+ is possible, who would have thought it?

[Snoopy]

What a good result with over 600 entries with most classes represented.It goes to prove archers will compete if the event is held in there own State with no travelling costs.Food for thought for the the future National Championships.Well done Marcus
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[andrewf87]

I have heard that in VIC there are going to be 160, which is huge.

[Marcus]

Well done Marcus
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Thanks, however I think with this event the thanks must go to each state body who got behind this event and encouraged the participants to enter.

[CT]

I was interested to see a barebow division. Knowing nothing about the style/division I checked the AA website and it appears that this class is only marginally different to IFAA barebow (slightly different stabiliser rule and no clickers). Have I read this right?

I couldn't find any comment on stringwalking. Would it be in or out?

Cheers
Craig

[James Park]

FITA does permit string walking (and it is used extensively).

[James Park]

This is looking like being the largest archery tournament ever held in Australia.

[Keith Gaisford]

This is looking like being the largest archery tournament ever held in Australia.

G'Day All,
What media cover and Public exposure has been initiated in this event??
Unfortunately archery doesn't have a vigorous Publicity Officer or PR for the overall sport.

If none Nationally, each RGB running the events need to get cracking.
I may be boiling water twice here, but publicity needs pushing.

Keith Gaisford

[Hannah]

G'Day All,
What media cover and Public exposure has been initiated in this event??
Unfortunately archery doesn't have a vigorous Publicity Officer or PR for the overall sport.

If none Nationally, each RGB running the events need to get cracking.
I may be boiling water twice here, but publicity needs pushing.

Keith Gaisford

I think that is an excellent point...difficulty comes in seeing it through. Nevertheless, worth noting and acting upon!

[Marcus]

AA will be releasing a press release

[Ed]

G'Day All,
What media cover and Public exposure has been initiated in this event??
Unfortunately archery doesn't have a vigorous Publicity Officer or PR for the overall sport.

If none Nationally, each RGB running the events need to get cracking.
I may be boiling water twice here, but publicity needs pushing.

Keith Gaisford

I know that in Victoria it has been held at Twin City for quite a few years now.
They always get Win TV Channel to come down and we always have TV footage on each day's shooting.

[Hannah]

I know that in Victoria it has been held at Twin City for quite a few years now.
They always get Win TV Channel to come down and we always have TV footage on each day's shooting.

Crap - no-one told me that! I don't think I would have entered if I knew ;)

[Flex]

They usually go for Flame:)

[Kerrie W]

They usually go for Flame:)


Would that have anything to do with his shirt:rolleyes:

[Flex]

And steady nerve while in view of TV camera's...

[James Park]

Actually, the TV crew at Twin City usually give one of the lady archers an opportunity for World fame. Bound to be Hannah (with new Bowtech).

[James Park]

I notice that North Queensland has more entries than ACT. You need to get out recruiting Owen.

[Peter King]

And steady nerve while in view of TV camera's...

I still have footage of a flinch and unmistakable verbal reaction somewhere...been hard to get the same camera crew back since then...

[Owen]

I notice that North Queensland has more entries than ACT. You need to get out recruiting Owen.

Have tryed. Looks like my club is going for the least entered .... 9 shooting out of 60+ members. As for the rest of the clubs, we wont go there.

[Gold Hunter]

Don't quite know what has happened in the ACT. I also expected a lot more entries, we have certainly plugged it down at the club. Look on the bright side, we are currently level with Tas. Go ACT, we just need one more to beat Tas.

[James Park]

We need to find another 23 competitors to get to 650. That would be wonderful.

[mrlogan]

We have nearly that many coming from my club Jim.

Last count from The Grange Company of Target Archers was 22.

How many are some of the other clubs sending or should one not ask ?

Going to be a great weekend.

[bilnic]

Hi Marcus

Please add the Veteran Mens Longbow division to the list.

Many thanks

Bilnic
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Pretty please

[Marcus]

I'll get to it, please be patient, I am swamped with some other things right now.

[Marcus]

done

[Sandy Hancock]

Only 18 entries from AAC (big club). No mens compounders.
Pathetic.

[frommy]

Only 18 entries from AAC (big club). No mens compounders.
Pathetic.

Sandy,

Considering the number of years the Nat Indoor has been hosted in Adelaide, I would tend to agree with you.

Brian

[Clare Barnes]

We need to find another 23 competitors to get to 650. That would be wonderful.
Getting there slowly - 634 entries now. :D

It'd be interesting to do rough figures on the proportion of AA affiliated archers/state entering. :-?

[SBR]

What is the normal amount of entry's for the Indoor Nationals in past years?

[Clare Barnes]

100 - 120 I think.

[SBR]

So on the face value of it, these nationals would seem a great success and will be the model for future indoor nationals

[bilnic]

WooHoo - many thanks Marcus. Our entries are in.

Bring on next weekend. Bring on the competition (that inner 10 thing is pretty damned small.)

B

[Betty-Anne]

I have to agree that it's a fabulous number of entries but I still think it would be better if we were all in the one place :) And yes I know all the arguments for and against ;) so lets not start that again

[Clare Barnes]

SA has about 540 AA affiliated members yet only 60 have entered the Indoor Nationals. :(

Any advance on an 11% entry rate from other RGBs? :-?

(And before anyone comments I am doing the results for SA hence not shooting it. :p )

[rachel]

can anyone tell me what kind of faces we will be using? I haven't shot a National Indoor for 14 years, and I've sent a PM to Clare asking about the 3-spots, but I noticed on our entry form they didn't ask whether we wanted to use a one spot or a 3 spot target.

thanks

[Clare Barnes]

That's something you'll have to ask the AV organisers about sorry. I know the information was requested on the SA forms but each RGB used their own entry form as it was for their State Championships as well.

[bilnic]

Approximately 25% from ASWA

[Marcus]

Approximately 25% from ASWA
Well done WA, that's excellent!

[Marcus]

The Indoor Website now features

[NOCK HUNTER]

Great job as always, Marcus.

[Clare Barnes]

Approximately 25% from ASWA

25% is very good! Any figures available from other RGBs?

[primal]

its looking real good dude. :)

[dbjac]

yeh it looks great!

[Keith Gaisford]

Publicity? Couldn't find a Media Release from AA anywhere.
I took on ASWA PR for this event, put out our own media release, contacted all TV, Radio, Newspapers, and any other media outlets I could find both State (WA) and National.

Whether anything comes of it, other than it has been made known.

Good shooting to all competitors and congratulations to National organisers and each RGB venues.
Keith Gaisford

[frommy]

Did Peter have equipment failure?

:cool: ;)

1 James Park VIC Sherbrooke archers 580 0 0 0 580
2 Craig Tyson VIC Moorabbin archery club 570 0 0 0 570
3 Marcel Verstegen VIC Aim archery 565 0 0 0 565
4 Leigh Cornish VIC Dva 550 0 0 0 550
5 Peter Mulholland TAS Paringa 200 0 200 101 200

[dbjac]

Good luck to everyone that has their state/national indoor tournaments this weekend!!:D

[Marcus]

Early scores
Leigh Cornish 290
Marcel Vestegen: 288
Jim Park: 287

Erika Anear: 278 (recurve)

Hannah Anderson: 272
Caleb Anderson: 270

[katzgrin]

[QUOTE=Marcus]The Indoor Website now features

[Clare Barnes]

Works fine for me. :-?

Heard 2Dogs shot 583, and apexrob 582...

[Eberbachl]

Nice scores people ;)

Keep 'em coming.


Best of luck for the rest of the weekend everyone :D

[Clare Barnes]

All RGB recurve and compound teams have been entered online http://www.archery-forum.com/indoor/teams.php except WA and SA who don't shoot until tomorrow. Click on the RGB to get the names of team members.

I wonder if there would be good participation if the Indoor team event could opened up to any teams (such as the team MP at the Nationals has been) if the Indoor retains this multi-venue format next year?

[alexvpaq]

I just want to wish good luck to evryone at the competition!

[Colin]

Clubs with more that 15 entering

Diamond valley archers 31
Kgsa 28
Sydney olympic park archers 26
Bom 24
Grange company of target archers 21
Aim archery 20
Adelaide archery club 18
Tta 18
Mt petrie bowmen 16
Strathalbyn target archers 16
Erina archery club 15

[Zoe]

Hannah Anderson: 272
Caleb Anderson: 270

Trouble in paradise?!

[katzgrin]

Trouble in paradise?!
Was that a Primal scream I heard?

[Brocky]

Some good shooting but whats happened to the top recurve archers David, Tim, Matt :o .

[Clare Barnes]

Some good shooting and potential new records (depending on first round scores shot tomorrow) for:

Jim Park - Master Men's Compound - 583

Erika Anear - Open Women's Recurve - 559

[Zoe]

Nice going guys!

Only four points between SQAS and VIC in compound. Toight.

[Mike13]

Some good shooting and potential new records (depending on first round scores shot tomorrow) for:

Jim Park - Master Men's Compound - 583

Erika Anear - Open Women's Recurve - 559
Nice one kids. Keep it up.;)

[Marcus]

Notes from Vic

Well Primal said 270 but actually shot 278. Both are shooting very well.

Erika shot a 10 on the wrong target with compound, simple brain fade and shot a single spot next to her instead of her 3 spot. That half was a 278 with a miss.

Jarad Alston had his release misfire and had a miss. His second round was a 291 with Cartel Triples. :o

The venue at Twin City is excellent. The lighting excellent and no doubt is providing us a massive advantage over everyone else.

[Marcus]

oh yeah, and chalk up 651 entries!!!!! :o :grin: :cool:

FYI we calculated based on past state indoor entries for each state that we should have around 520 entries tops.
So it appears that this concept actually increased participations around eth country by 20% :o :-D

[Clare Barnes]

So it appears that this concept actually increased participations around eth country by 20% :o :-D

That should read "teh" country! ;)

[Marcus]

ppppllllbbbbbbbbb:p

[Clare Barnes]

oh yeah, and chalk up 651 entries!!!!! :o :grin: :cool:

FYI we calculated based on past state indoor entries for each state that we should have around 520 entries tops.
So it appears that this concept actually increased participations around eth country by 20% :o :-D

Last year no more than 120 competitors in total...

...this year 109 in Open Men's Compound alone. :D

[SBR]

What is the biggest turnout for an Archery event in Australia? This would have to biggest biggest based on a reasonable assumption

[Marcus]

Nationals records broken today

Cub G/C: Elizabeth Churchward 500
Inter B/BBR: Benjamin Turner 359
Cadet B/C: Alex Zarebski 572
W/R: Erika Anear 559
MM/C: James Park 583
MW/C Madeleine Ferris 564

[Eberbachl]

The lighting excellent and no doubt is providing us a massive advantage over everyone else

You big tease :rofl:

[Marcus]

What is the biggest turnout for an Archery event in Australia? This would have to biggest biggest based on a reasonable assumption
This is the biggest, bigger than the World IFAAs and World FITA Field in 02

[Marcus]

All teams are filled as well, which in itself is a rare occurance.

[Bruce]

Good luck to all those competing .
I suppose the only difference to this and the wfac was that we were all in the one place for the wfac , not spread out around the country .

But it is a good turn out and AA should be congratulated for trying something different

[Shermo]

This is the biggest, bigger than the World IFAAs and World FITA Field in 02

Not sure on that one Marcus, two events come to mind;

1) NSW ABA State Titles at Cessnock Mid 1980's had 600+

2) Valla Park WFAC 1990

[OldDog]

Maybe the biggest mailmatch perhaps but in no way close to the biggest tournament. More like several rather average ones.
Valla Park had 700 plus and we ran two aba safaris at my home club that had 700 plus and I think 800 plus the following year. this was back in the late eightys.
I personally think the indoor format is to be commended and archery australia can take kudos for having the foresight to run the shoot this way. Given the increasing cost of travel etc i wonder if this is the harbinger of other tourneys for the future.

[Marcus]

It's not a mailmatch OldDog. Mailmatches are totally different to this concept as they are not run under tournament conditions.

[2Dogs]

I've got the website in my ipaq rw6828 :D.... so I'll yell the results out on the line today. :D

Yep biggest event for AA, and a great format for the National indoor.

But the WFAC, AA NAts & the big ABA safaris are much more fun with everyone there.

[Betty-Anne]

Yep biggest event for AA, and a great format for the National indoor.

But the WFAC, AA NAts & the big ABA safaris are much more fun with everyone there.

Yeah, what dogs said

[Marcus]

No doubt ideally having 600 shooters at one venue would be for more fun, but agree that with the cost of travel these days only going up this is unlikely to ever occur.

Just finished Flight 1, Jim Park had a 579 and Erika had a 573 compound.

[New Tricks]

With regard to the cost of travel, keep in mind that what you pay now for an airfare is a mere fraction of the fare paid not that long ago(pre1999). I recall paying $880 return to Melbourne in the mid 90s and now can do the same thing for around $300. Sure petrol seems expensive, but as a proportion of income, it is no higher than in the past.

Anyway, back to the event. Are NSW compound shooters all shooting Sunday arvo? I have yet to see their scores on the site. How about the SQLD mob, they must nearly be finished today. Good interface thing that you have here Marcus. I Likey.

[Marcus]

Thanks New Tricks, hopefully we can add to it for next year. :)

VIC Flight 1 are now all online

[New Tricks]

Well it wil be different as it will have me at the top of the recurve results*




(*this will only occur if pigs fly, hell freezes over and Paul actually puts out)


Is there anyway to make it auto refresh? That would be very cool. And perhaps a small window option that can sit open with a selected division auto refreshing like the tennis sites do. I guess this would really only be of benefit if the scores were put in after every end.

[Marcus]

Yeah those are a couple of good ideas I would like to see as well.
End by end scoring would be simply awesome. Would be great if all the states said "Yes we want it, lets make it happen" because it is certainly possible.

[Marcus]

Vic flight 2 is about to finish
Erika shot a 287 for her first half recurve, nothing outside the gold.

Tas scores are being updated as we speak.

[New Tricks]

My 500 vcash is looking like 1500!! 3-1 on Pat. Zoran with Oz record second half. Nice work. Counting his 10s, did he have a miss first half?

[andrewf87]

Just got back from the indoor, and it was a really enjoyable weekend. Thanks to the guys at Twin City, the indoor range was really good and congrats to all the winners.

[cschach]

But where's Clint's second half?

[New Tricks]

Thought the same thing and just assumed it has yet to be entered. Couple of other notables with no scoes yet. If I were mens recurve, i would be thinking I was one place lower that current as Chris Lewkowski is WA and is yet to file a score. he dropped a 291 in the AF league this week. Nice.

[SBR]

Those are some quality scores in the Mens Compound:cool:

[New Tricks]

Erika looks like winning stickbow and compound. LOL. Owned.

[SBR]

My 500 vcash is looking like 1500!! 3-1 on Pat. Zoran with Oz record second half. Nice work. Counting his 10s, did he have a miss first half?

Looks like New Tricks won his bet;)

[Clare Barnes]

Hey Paul, you weren't 4th! :D

[New Tricks]

Still no Clint second half Clare. Anything could happen.


edit. LOL.

[katzgrin]

Notes from Vic
The venue at Twin City is excellent. The lighting excellent and no doubt is providing us a massive advantage over everyone else.

Having experienced the lighting at the NSW event this afternoon I have no doubts of your advantage. While the event is a good first attempt I am thinking of it as a Nationwide event rather than a National event. Yesterday, the temperature INSIDE the gym reached 12deg for the recurvers. Today was much milder and people were able to shed some outer layers.

[Clare Barnes]

Wonder what's happened to the WA scores? :rolleyes: :(

[New Tricks]

Having experienced the lighting at the NSW event this afternoon I have no doubts of your advantage. While the event is a good first attempt I am thinking of it as a Nationwide event rather than a National event. Yesterday, the temperature INSIDE the gym reached 12deg for the recurvers. Today was much milder and people were able to shed some outer layers.

Whilst I have been one to talk out about the event, I wonder if just for a few days we can focus on the positives and maybe have a wash up suggestion thread say next week or the week after. Lets applaud the National Champions first.

[New Tricks]

Wonder what's happened to the WA scores? :rolleyes: :(
Time difference? Isnt it 9am Wednesday there?

[danzi]

A big thankyou to Twin City for hosting a fabulous tournament.
To Peter, Merv and everyone - congratulations on the fantastic effort, and your 'Grinstead Shed' is a good venue.

To the caterers, thankyou for your efforts and the tasty food, especially the Roast Beef Rolls!

Looking forward to another great tournament next year.

[PeterBennett]

Thanks to all the competitors for all their support, congratulations to all the new State and National Champions. From my point of view the weekend was a fantastic success with over 160 competitors which really gave our new venue a great test run. and over 650 nationally, congrats to Marcus and Jim.
Thanks to our volunteers in the kitchen and all the club members for their hard work.

Peter

[Ed]

And the judges - I'm stuffed after 3 flights daily!!!!!!!!!!!

[Marcus]

Yeah huge cudos to the judges. I know just watching and shooting I was exhausted, but you guys were up and down all day. Well done!

[archerybob]

........well toowoomba was good fun as usual, big applause for bbird and the rest of the toowoomba crew (and the rest from round sqas of course)for the set up of the comp they really did a great job. was cold, as usual for toowoomba for this time of year. had a good turn out and had a good feel i even had the chance to shoot with two cubs either side of me (they came up to my waist) and enjoyed the experience. the best bit was everyone helping to pack up, from what i was told it took a long time with very few to set up. in 10 mins or so it was totally clear

[Louis Rich]

Time difference? Isnt it 9am Wednesday there?
9am Wednesday 1989

Wish I could have made this shoot. :(

[Zoe]

Thought the same thing and just assumed it has yet to be entered. Couple of other notables with no scoes yet. If I were mens recurve, i would be thinking I was one place lower that current as Chris Lewkowski is WA and is yet to file a score. he dropped a 291 in the AF league this week. Nice.

Chris Lewkowski an (unofficial) 1151. Ended with a 292.
Shelley Looker 1130
Lin Fritschi 1121(?)

[Sandy Hancock]

Yo Pat!!!! 589 + 590 = bloody good shooting.

[James Park]

congrats to Marcus and Jim.

Thanks.
Also Clare Barnes. Aside from much assistance in SA, Clare has organised all the medals, which is a major task.

Marcus, Clare and I would value your feedback so that we can make next year even better and more fun. We would love to be able to go to FITA (and sponsors) and say "we got over 1000 competitors, and even had live video".
Thankyou all for wanting to be part of it.

[2Dogs]

Lin I think was 1116.

[New Tricks]

Chris Lewkowski an (unofficial) 1151. Ended with a 292.
(?)

Booyah. 2 for 2 with my mens picks.

[Marcus]

Yep what Jim said. it would not have happened without Clare and Jim.
Positive feedback and ideas are most welcome and we would love to expand on teh concept and make it more interactive for all the archers shooting and also watching around Oz.

[Zoe]

Chris Madeley 1137
Intermediate Girl Compound Tegan Healey 1088 including a HUGE fist half (560+)

[dbjac]

Alex Wood (purple hats) shot 1131. awesome shooting.
Theres some awesome scores in that list. :o

I was increadibly impressed with the venue prepared by twin city, awesome job guys. Hopefully marcus will post a pic for all of you from other states.

And i have to say, bloody Craig Tyson. Kicked me off the podium in the vic indoor by one point. :mad: :lol:

[Marcus]

Anyone know the delay for getting the WA scores online?

[primal]

And i have to say, bloody Craig Tyson. Kicked me off the podium in the vic indoor by one point. :mad: :lol:


yeah dude you shot awesome :D

[Marcus]

yeah dude you shot awesome
Word!!!

[James Park]

It pleased me to see that we had an excellent number of State Teams and a good team competition (even if NSW won).

[mrlogan]

Have to agree with Archerybob, toowoomba was a great shoot.

Bloody cold but bloody good.

Met plenty of people there today.

Shot crap but enjoyed the whole event.

A big thanks to the organisers of the toowoomba shoot for their patience (they know what I mean :-) )

Cant wait for next year.......already booked it with the boss (read wife).

mrlogan

[New Tricks]

Lin I think was 1116.

Or so you heard.

[Singerov]

Yes, I had a brain fart with my third arrow of my first end and shot seven(10,10,7), which upset me. That resulted in a miss later on. The problem was that I was not warmed up enough.

The second FITA18 was much better (294, 297) with really good and clean tens.

At least I managed to set an Australian Record after such a long day and crapy shooting in the first part.

Thanks to the organisers for the wonderful event and congratilation to the winners, well done.

[Zoe]

It pleased me to see that we had an excellent number of State Teams and a good team competition (even if NSW won).

Wow, that was close in the compound! Looks like WA should get the teams recurve.

[jj]

Many congratulations to Zoran on the new national record.After firtst round
"brain explosions" it was dame good recovery.Avesome shooting.Well done mate.

[James Park]

I found it interesting watching the scores coming in. I liked the way Marcus had the leader board on the front page.

[James Park]

I also liked the feeling of all those around the country who you knew you were competing against - very different to our normal State Championships. It really felt like a big event.

[Marcus]

Yeah 591 is a huge score, well done Zoran!!


Many congratulations to Zoran on the new national record.After firtst round
"brain explosions" it was dame good recovery.Avesome shooting.Well done mate.

[frommy]

While this event is yet to be finalised, I would sincerely like to thank Marcus and everyone else involved in the on-line presentation. It is trully fantastic.

Thanks

Brian

[dbjac]

yeh, well done. it was awesome.

[nzo]

does anyone know when the wa results will be up

[Coghlan]

Well done, nice 591 Zoran.

I was very sceptical at first of the postal idea, but seeing the scores getting posted was good, I am sold now. It was good to have such large numbers competing, well done to the organisers.

Pat

[Marcus]

Congratulations on your score Pat, fantastic shooting. Another National title. :)

[2Dogs]

I loved this shoot!

I was using my PDA to logon and see how the others were going.

And Pressure.....sure was, I knew you had to perform. Loved it.

And guess what!!!!!!!!!!! 5th...Yah!! no freaking 4th :D:D....... 1 point in front of Jim........hehehe

Well done Pat, Clint, Dennis & Zoran............BTW.... you all SUCK! :rofl:

[James Park]

I loved this shoot!
1 point in front of Jim........hehehe
:rofl:
Drat.
However, well done, and yes, the pressure of a Nationals was there.

[Clare Barnes]

Well done, nice 591 Zoran.

I was very sceptical at first of the postal idea, but seeing the scores getting posted was good, I am sold now. It was good to have such large numbers competing, well done to the organisers.

Pat

I think Pat was sold when he sat down, read out his score, I entered it, immediately went to the other window and refreshed the front page of the Indoor site and hey presto, Pat was in 1st with a red dot beside him. :D

Having the website projected onto the wall enabled archers to come into the processing area and ask to easily see any category results they wanted whenever they chose, without peering at a tiny screen.

BTW Pat's scorecard was checked by someone other than him!! ;)

[Marcus]

I would love to have each venue setup to input scores as they go and each have projectors displaying results as they come in. Would require a real good bit of teamwork to do it, but imagine shooting away and seeing scores pop up on the wall from around the country.

[New Tricks]

Perhaps a small chalk board below each target where the archer writes their end score and the scorers enter it using a spotting scope or something. Dunno. Just a quick thought on making it quick and easy.

[katzgrin]

It was interesting watching Zoran shoot and calmly sending that last arrow on its way with only a couple of seconds left on the clock. An enjoyable day!

[BernardD]

Looks like WA are entering their scores now.

Had a great time. First National I have been involved in.

Well done to all organisers.

Bernard

[Marcus]

Well done Chris Lewkowski!!! Nice shooting.
Well done too to Michael Naray and Owen Van Acker.

[Clare Barnes]

And Shelley Looker backed up her good performance at the Target Nationals.:D

[Marcus]

Pictures from Victoria
http://www.archery-forum.com/indoor/vic_Icon/index.php

[andrewf87]

Sweet :) That quite the collection of photos.

[dbjac]

http://www.archery-forum.com/indoor/Vic_small/DSC_0156.jpg

CAPTION:
Caleb: "if you really loved me, you'd let me win."
Hannah: "dude, i'll be a knight before you."

[2Dogs]

How come you guys were shooting at a triangle 3 spot face?. I thought the FITA vertical face has to be used.

[andrewf87]

:rofl: good one derek :D

[Marcus]

How come you guys were shooting at a triangle 3 spot face?. I thought the FITA vertical face has to be used.
no just a FITA authorised face needed to be used, which these were.
FITA rules allow both.

[Marcus]

Here is the page from the rule book

[2Dogs]

Dam.... I hate the vertical faces.

Might take my own next time.

[CMB50]

Holy Crap!

Well done Erika! 2 National titles in one weekend! :o :bday: :hail: :hail:

[PeterBennett]

I'm with Cam, congrats Erica, and both State titles again.

[primal]

And guess what!!!!!!!!!!! 5th...Yah!! no freaking 4th


yeah mate well done. :D

[primal]

http://www.archery-forum.com/indoor/Vic_small/DSC_0156.jpg

CAPTION:
Caleb: "if you really loved me, you'd let me win."
Hannah: "dude, i'll be a knight before you."


What actually occurred

Hannah " my back hurts, and my vision is blurred, and i cant hold steady, and i'm hungry and its not fair that i have to shoot at 11am, i hate shooting at 11am...."
Caleb " stop showing off!"

[2Dogs]

What's a good lookin chick like her hangin with a guy like you???? :D

Must be another Marcus & Erika thing :D:D

[Marcus]

Yep, pity husband! I no complain.

[primal]

What's a good lookin chick like her hangin with a guy like you???? :D

Must be another Marcus & Erika thing :D:D
Thanks mate :)

Yep, pity husband! I no complain.

amen g'

[nzo]

any other pics from other states yet

[Keith Gaisford]

From WA, The Badminton stadium at Kingsway was a superb setting for this event. All the archers on the line at one time. Targets were well spaced with tons of room for archers, no crowding.
Lighting was good overall. The venue was such that spectators could sit behind the archers with plenty of room to wander up and down the line with out disturbing the shooters.
The target allocations were generally set out in the divisions or age categories.
The event was run by ALL ASWA archers (i.e. a Society event) headed by Bill Nicholson. Like Marcus, Bill shot, wrote up the results and generally ran the day. Butt & face replacement Team worked well with practically no hold ups.

The venue was set up by 4pm Saturday with a team, loading a truck at the archery centre and travelling to Kingsway to set up.

All in all a VERY successful event, with many competitors knowing who they were up against from the other states.

A unanimous vote at the medal presentation (within 45 minutes of end of shooting,) to use this venue for 2007.

Three records shot in one day by thge Junior Compound Girl, Teagan Healy, wow.

Congratulations to all archers for competing.

Keith Gaisford

[Marcus]

Like Marcus
Not like me. I spent my time at TCAG watching my wife and friends shoot, and only inputting scores. It was relatively stress free for me. I spent some time inputting scores and making quick code changes but most of my work was before the event.
Credit goes out to the organizers like Bill who did all the major work and ran around like crazy for the weekend.

[Marcus]

Images from SA

http://www.archery-forum.com/indoor/sa/

[anotherlegend]

I suggest we include the world indoors next year

[James Park]

I suggest we include the world indoors next year
Hey Marcus and Clare, they seem to be onto our grand plot, we need to implement that diversion plan.

[Flame]

188 archers shot the MQS for inclusion to the National Indoor Ranking List

[Marcus]

Just added to the front page 2 links. One displays the full results based on the first round and the other based on the second round.

[C Tyson]

Great shooting Derek, keep improving at this rate and you wont be missing out on medals, in another 12months you might be the man to catch!!!
Rgs Craig



Alex Wood (purple hats) shot 1131. awesome shooting.
Theres some awesome scores in that list. :o

I was increadibly impressed with the venue prepared by twin city, awesome job guys. Hopefully marcus will post a pic for all of you from other states.

And i have to say, bloody Craig Tyson. Kicked me off the podium in the vic indoor by one point. :mad: :lol:

[NOCK HUNTER]

188 archers shot the MQS for inclusion to the National Indoor Ranking List

Flame,when does the list get up dated?

[Flame]

6th of August

[bigfella]

Whilst I was opposed to the concept to hold the indoors this way I have to admit that the arrangements worked extremely well and all seemed to go smoothly. Having the ability to keep scores accessible over the web was impressive and helped to get the buzz going.

Some of the concerns that I had did not raise their heads in Queensland at least and I am impressed by that.

The effort put in by the Toowoomba team was amazing. The venue worked well, lighting was good and quite uniform across the board. Butts had been improved and held the targets and arrows well. Importantly the mood of the tournament was good.. it had a buzz about it and everyone was interested in how things were going nationally.

So, it was a grand event and I am glad that I was proven to be wrong.
Congratulations to all who had input to it.

Mike

[2Dogs]

And the only big BANG of the shoot wasn't bigfella dryfiring, but someone pumping an arrow into the iron girder :D

Made me fill my pants!

[Glenn Ryan]

Fill...come on please...overfill...:)

[bigfella]

And the only big BANG of the shoot wasn't bigfella dryfiring, but someone pumping an arrow into the iron girder :D

Made me fill my pants!

When I heard that arrow fall to the floor, I thought, "There goes 2Logs again!"

[katzgrin]

At one indoor one archer, a builder by trade, put an arrow through the back door of the gym. He said he was only installing a peephole.

[Zoe]

One sincerely hopes it was intended for the benefit of the archers.

[Peter King]

Firstly, it looks as though it was a great event. Wish I could have made it.

I agree we don't want to be super-prescriptive re RGB lighting and venue issues but the choice of target one did get me wondering. I wondered about it because most archers I know have a preference and verticals usually are not preferred.

Re
no just a FITA authorised face needed to be used, which these were.
FITA rules allow both.

Here is the page from the rule book
Attached Images etc.

I couldn't read the page so went to the Rule Book. A few pages earlier
the FITA Rule book I have says:

8.1.1.4 Rounds and faces.
For the Indoor Match Round, the triple 40 cm faces will be used.
In the Elimination and Finals Round the faces will be set in pairs
on each target butt. Vertical triple faces will be mandatory for
the Indoor World Championship. The use of single or triple faces
in all other competitions is the choice of the organizers, provided
that all competitors in the same class and division shoot on the
same type of face. The height of the centers of the gold of the
same type of face should look straight at all times.

I guess we should add it to the suggestions list for next time. Given sufficient notice, it shouldn't be a problem for RGBs.

[apexrob]

Peter, I agree with you and I wasn't happy to find out Sunday night after the tournament was finished that we could of used the triangled sequenced target.

[Marcus]

For the Indoor Match Round
We do not shoot the Indoor Match Round for our National Championships.

[Peter King]

We do not shoot the Indoor Match Round for our National Championships.

Not sure what the distinction is. What do we shoot?
The point is made strongly elsewhere that we run to FITA rules and the quoted FITA rule refers to "all other competitions" requiring "the same type of face"..

Putting semantics aside, isn't the issue that same face/all archers is the most equitable method of conducting the National competition? Would it not be if it was in the one venue?

[Marcus]

Indoor Match Round refers to Matchplay.
We shoot 2 x 18m FITA Indoor.

We will discuss it with FITA for next year.

[Clare Barnes]

I couldn't read the page so went to the Rule Book. A few pages earlier
the FITA Rule book I have says...

I think it may pay to check the current (2006) one online then.

[Peter King]

I think it may pay to check the current (2006) one online then.

I tried that but it returns a link (i-axes.. etc )that fails. What does the online version say that is different to the 8.1.1.4 section quoted above?

As far as I could see it is the same Chapter & Section from which the two target face diagram was extracted.

[Clare Barnes]

http://www.archery.org/clients/fita/web/pdf.nsf/$All/885AC7B41B4CA2F0C12570CF004D82B5/$File/2006RulesENG_Book3.pdf?OpenElement works for me.

[New Tricks]

To stop the I know more than you rubbish and just give the answer

8.2.2.1 Rounds and faces.
For the Indoor Match Round, the triple 40 cm faces will be used.
In the Elimination and Finals Round the faces will be set in pairs
on each target butt. Vertical triple faces will be mandatory for
the Indoor Target World Championship. The use of single or triple
faces in all other competitions is the choice of the organizers,
who can allow the athletes in the same class and division to
shoot on a different type of face

Not that I think it is ideal as I know I score much better on the triangle to the vertical face. I guess it is just another inconsistency that the multi venue format throws up.

[Peter King]

http://www.archery.org/clients/fita/web/pdf.nsf/$All/885AC7B41B4CA2F0C12570CF004D82B5/$File/2006RulesENG_Book3.pdf?OpenElement works for me.
Clare
yep, thanks. I found that via another path. I read that reference to Indoor Match Round and World Champs as specific rules differentiating from "all other competitions", as the general Chapter sets the standard FITA Indoor rules..


8.2.2.1 Rounds and faces.
For the Indoor Match Round, the triple 40 cm faces will be used.
In the Elimination and Finals Round the faces will be set in pairs
on each target butt. Vertical triple faces will be mandatory for
the Indoor Target World Championship. The use of single or triple
faces in all other competitions is the choice of the organizers,
who can allow the athletes in the same class and division to
shoot on a different type of face.

to allow organizers to allow single or triple faces in other comps, as distinct from the World Champs,but I can't see it endorsing different triples. How do you read it?

[New Tricks]

Now I see your point Peter. It says they can allow the competitors to shoot a different type of face to the previously mentioned (ie the vert face). I do however think that in strict English, the word 'different' refers to the words 'same class and division' therefore allowing the inconsisetent approach displayed this year.

[Peter King]

Now I see your point Peter. It says they can allow the competitors to shoot a different type of face to the previously mentioned (ie the vert face). I do however think that in strict English, the word 'different' refers to the words 'same class and division' therefore allowing the inconsisetent approach displayed this year.

It says organizers can allow the athletes in the same class and division to shoot on a different type of face, not different types of faces.
Again, if we were in one event in one room, would we be allowed to shoot on a mixture of triangulars and/or vertical triples?

[frommy]

Peter,

If might throw my .02c worth in.

The rule that you originally posted stating that all competitors shoot the same face, outside of the WC arena, caused huge debate, and was then amended to the current rule as posted by Clare and also found by yourself.

The intent of the rule, as I remember the debate on Sagi', involving Vittorio, was to reverse the decision that organisers of events such as our recent one decide on the face style.

Personally, I read the rule differently to you, in that if I wanted a 3 spot perpendicular, and NT wanted a 3 spot triangle, and you wanted a single spot, all within the same division, that would be allowed. I may be wrong, and hope that I am, because setting up on strammit, as shot in NSW, would be hell to get all the faces prefered on the one panel. 2 one spots, a three spot triangle and a three spot perpendicular would not fit. :confused:

It probably comes down to what the event organisers can offer by way of triples.

The rules, I think are written in French, and English, and the nuance in English may have been missed.

Clare, this might be worthy of AA seeking a clarification from FITA?

Brian

[New Tricks]

It says organizers , not different types of faces.
Again, if we were in one event in one room, would we be allowed to shoot on a mixture of triangulars and/or vertical triples?

I'll roll with this. Reading again it makes sense.

[Marcus]

I believe as well that AA paid for and registered each event seperatly, so even if Peter's reading is correct, it still meets FITA's rules.

Again, if we were in one event in one room, would we be allowed to shoot on a mixture of triangulars and/or vertical triples?
Hypertheticals are all good fun, but end of the day, does it matter?
Would the results have been different? I seriously doubt it. (especially given that the womens winner trained on verticals and competed on triangles, some would claim that was a disadvantage)

[New Tricks]

this might be worthy of AA seeking a clarification from FITA?

Brian

Yeah, but perhaps thining in advance and sorting it out months ago would have worked better. Congrats to all Australian Champions.

[2Dogs]

Hey NT's STFU!!!, you don't even own a bow!~ :D

[Clare Barnes]

For the event to go as well as it did for a first time effort I think is wonderful. There is always room for improvement, and I'm sure those areas will be worked on if the opportunity is given to run the event the same way again next year.

[katzgrin]

Peter,

Personally, I read the rule differently to you, in that if I wanted a 3 spot perpendicular, and NT wanted a 3 spot triangle, and you wanted a single spot, all within the same division, that would be allowed. I may be wrong, and hope that I am, because setting up on strammit, as shot in NSW, would be hell to get all the faces prefered on the one panel. 2 one spots, a three spot triangle and a three spot perpendicular would not fit. :confused:

It probably comes down to what the event organisers can offer by way of triples.

Brian

I'm not picking on you Brian. Your post is as good as any other to kick off from.

This is a National event and there should be consistancy. Without it it is a Nationwide event with variations.

To load the responsibility on what faces should be used back onto the RGB is a cop out by the National body. The problem lies with the fact that State/RGB events were held concurrently with a National event. Next year there should be a consensus on the style of triple face used. Perhaps the State/RGB event needs to be at the same standard as the National event if held at the same time. One post commented on the cost/availability of the faces used to the RGB/host club. I don't see a problem if the RGB/host club has to obtain a quantity of faces for the event. If enough organisations have 5 years supply of the same face on hand perhaps this becomes a factor in reaching a consensus.

You would not accept this sort of variation at the National target event would you?

Overall the concept is great for a country with the vast distances involved. I think the number of entries and positive comments by people who doubted the event are proof enough. Setting a standard for the event shouldn't be too hard.

[Marcus]

I don't think there is a requirement by FITA to use the same brand of face through the whole tournament.
As long as they are all FITA registered it should not matter.
To claim that one brand of face is better than another is nitpicking.

[frommy]

I don't think there is a requirement by FITA to use the same brand of face through the whole tournament.
As long as they are all FITA registered it should not matter.
To claim that one brand of face is better than another is nitpicking.

What Marcus said. But I differentiate between a "brand" of face to a "style" of face. You want a triple face, you get a FITA approved triple, and I believe that nearly all manufactured these days are perpendicular, but I may be wrong in that.

Katzgrin, same argument as perpetrated earlier in this thread. "Your lighting is better than ours; you had heating we did not"; you used triangular triples we used perpendicular triples. Not a very good argument if the faces are all FITA legal.

Again, it comes back to the RGB, and NOT AA to make some unilateral declaration. All three styles of Indoor faces are FITA approved, and, gee, if I shoot the event, not that I did, I shoot to the conditions supplied, not what I might have a personal preference for except whether to shoot single or triple.

Brian

[Marcus]

I shoot to the conditions supplied, not what I might have a personal preference for.:thumb: :hail:

[Flame]

This is correct as I did them :D
They were registered as a National / State event - FITA 18

I believe as well that AA paid for and registered each event seperatly, so even if Peter's reading is correct, it still meets FITA's rules.

[PeterBennett]

With the triple faces we have a big supply of triangular triples at this moment and as we are able to use them within the rules will continue to do so. The faces also set up better for lane draws, that is with the competitors shooting 4 to a butt A's and B's, we can let the archers shoot either face, but if we used vertical faces we have the problem of the archers being put on a target and then at the time of competition changing their minds as to the face they want, or saying they did not want a triple face (even though they have written that on their entry form) and we would have to shuffle the whole draw around, as you cannot put 3 vertical and one standard target on the same butt. This year we let the archers put up their own targets which saved a lot of time per flight and we would not be able to do so if we used vertical 3 spots. We can get plenty of triangular faces through Abbey Archery and they make it easier to set up our venue.

Peter

[lewkowski]

I think that if you can't hit the 10 on a triangle 3 spot, a vertical 3 spot is not going to fix your problems. There is no magic 'Fairy Dust' in the vertical 3 spot faces (I know, I've checked ;-)).

I guess the only concession the organisers may want to make is to tell the archers beforehand (i.e. say 1-2 weeks beforehand) which type of faces are being used so they can get used to them in practice.

Other than that just 'Aim Harder' :-).

[James Park]

If you had four vertical faces per target I think there would be many more arrows on the wrong face. It would make an event such as we had at Twin City much less enjoyable.

[Oldtimer]

Hey - I want a single spot. I can shoot 120 arrows at a single spot and not do much damage to it. It helps that I use my small arrows (Cartel Triples 1000), and, in true recurve style, scatter tham a bit - all right then, scatter them a lot, and I have no intention of being forced into using a 3-spot of any descirption. This is acceptable within FITA rules.

[dbjac]

im pretty sure no one said you couldnt use a 1 spot. The debate is over which of the various three spots are used.

[The One]

People care too much, a target is a target.

[andrewf87]

I am struggling to see why this is going on, a target is a target, just shoot it.

[Clare Barnes]

Obvioulsy the lighting/practice arrows/temperature/rounds shot per day etc did not adversely affect everyone. :D

Although unofficial as I am still to receive scorecards from some RGBs the following awards look likely:

National Championship Medals:
64 Gold (includes 8 team ones)
39 Silver
36 Bronze

FITA Target Awards:
89 White
88 Black
66 Blue
12 Red
1 Gold

National Championship Records:
6 Open category records
14 Masters/Veteran records
12 Junior/Cadet/Intermediate/Cub records

[Brocky]

Has one target bigger black lines on it compared to the other:rolleyes:. If it has I want that one if it has not just shoot your arrows, I think there are bigger issues in Archery then this rubbish.

[Tegs]

Funny thing is WA the people that enter the inddors you never see again and it's pretty hard (somethimes when your having a bad day that is) Perths WA BOM JNR shoot is easier i only miss a perfect my 70 points once!!!

[2Dogs]

Has one target bigger black lines on it compared to the other. If it has I want that one if it has not just shoot your arrows, I think there are bigger issues in Archery then this rubbish.

Well we all know you couldn't hit **** no matter what your aiming at :rofl:

[DanceswithDingoes]

If this event becomes a regular National Championship, I'd like to see some relaxing in the rules from one RGB that does not allow allow the score registered at one State venue to be counted towards their home rgb championships, in particular ANSW, where as I understand it mandated that all the shooters competing for a state championship had to be at the state venue and nowhere else. This led to the ridiculous situation where shooters from Queanbeyan could not contest the indoors at Canberra (12km away) and had to travel to Katoomba (300km away) to contest the state championship. If the Canberra shoot met all the AA (and ANSW) regulations, then why demand people travel so far to contest something in person that could have been faxed/emailed to them?
I understand there was a similar situation up north with the Northern NSW clubs shooting at SQAS venues.
Surely it wouldnt take much effort to have some form of 'out of area' registration so that other rgbs can be notified of scores recorded by their members in other areas?

[Brocky]

:rofl: It's hard being a bundy staff shooter, one of the conditions when signing on the doted line. After approaching you it was stated we want you on board along with 2dogs because he can't hit **** either.

[wiggles]

Triangle 3 spots?:oops: No one told me I could shoot anything other than the vertical.:scrambleup:

I demand a reshoot.:2gunfire:

Might actually do some training this time. :deadhorse:

[Oldtimer]

Dances with Wolves, this may be news to you, but the northern NSW (Ballina, Casino and Lismore) clubs are actually members of SQAS.

[Archangel]

Triangle 3 spots?:oops: No one told me I could shoot anything other than the vertical.
Maybe if you ask nicely they'll give you a 122cm face too ;-)

[wiggles]

With the way I shot the first round, probablely would of missed that to.:rolleyes:

[DanceswithDingoes]

Dances with Wolves, this may be news to you, but the northern NSW (Ballina, Casino and Lismore) clubs are actually members of SQAS.
I'm fully aware of that and illustrates my point, NSW shooters that cannot compete for NSW titles or do you suggest that NSW shooters should compete for Qld titles? My suggestion is that they should be able to mail/email/fax their certified scores to the RGB of the state they live in rather than be expected to appear in person.

[frommy]

Sorry Ding, you have got it all wrong.

Northern NSW archery clubs approached AA to argue that they were more appropriately geographically suited to being associated with Sth Qld than NSW based on Sydney. They made the call, and it was granted and they became members of SQAS under the decree of AA. So no arguement could be raised that they are disadvantaged.

I came across this same problem when, on behalf of ASNSW, I was able to put in place procedures for legal crossbow use for target archery, that is target, field or other events conducted by ASNSW clubs, in NSW after the introduction of the Weapons Prohibition Act 1998. The procedures approved by the NSW Police Lisencing Branch only related to ASNSW members.

There was a feral crossbow hunter in Nthn NSW who tried to obtain membership of ASNSW, so that he could try to get a permit, and he thought that would allow him to continue hunting, but he lived above the line drawn by AA and could not be given ASNSW membership due to this.

After legal threats from him against myself, ASNSW, AA, NSW Government, and a proposed Federal Constitutional challenge on restraint of trade, over a period of over 9 months, they ceased when I invited him to serve litigation commencement documents on me at my place of work (law firm), and he came under the attention of the NSW Police after making complaints to his local MP.

Sorry, I digress. Ding, the State a person lives in is not the point. The records and awards are RGB based, and Nthn NSW chose to be members of SQAS.

Brian

[frommy]

Addendum.

I do, however, accept the arguement put on behalf of Queenbeyan. Maybe they should apply to AA to become members of ArcheryACT under the same principles that were applied to the Nthn NSW clubs? :rolleyes:

Brian

[Clare Barnes]

The remaining FITA Target Awards for scores shot at the Indoor Nationals have at last arrived from FITA and will be posted to RGB Recorders tomorrow. I've no idea how long it then takes archers to receive them after that, but as from next week your RGB (state) recorder should be able to say if there is an award (or two) waiting for you.

I trust you're all keeping 28th and 29th July 2007 free to do it all again? :D

[Flame]

All RGB's have been registered on the FITA webiste for the 2007 Indoor
I need the FITA registration forms returned to me so I can fill in all the details

AA is paying for the registrations.

[Barracuda]

[QUOTE=DanceswithDingoes]If this event becomes a regular National Championship, I'd like to see some relaxing in the rules from one RGB that does not allow allow the score registered at one State venue to be counted towards their home rgb championships, in particular ANSW, where as I understand it mandated that all the shooters competing for a state championship had to be at the state venue and nowhere else. This led to the ridiculous situation where shooters from Queanbeyan could not contest the indoors at Canberra (12km away) and had to travel to Katoomba (300km away) [QUOTE]

Assuming your RGB membership is based on where you join, not necessarily where you live, why doesn't this Queanbeyan archer just join an ACT club? Tuggeranong's only 15 minutes away (don't shoot me, just taking the ignorant, common sense approach)!