Hun Bow classificatoin

[Jason.P]

A Couple of Guys at the club are shoting Super recurve's ( hun or horse bows)
are there divisions in Target FITA,field 3DAAA that they can be used in.

Didn't what to put this in two threads

[Marcus]

I would say barebow recurve, unless they are using a release device or thumb ring in which case they are illegal for any competition.

[Jason.P]

so they can be used in target and field tournaments?

[Marcus]

Only if shot with fingers I would think.

[GrahameA]

Jason

Have a read of :

http://www.archery.org.au/lib/pdf/Chapter8.pdf

And then askk AA for a ruling.

My reading indicates Recurve, Barebow Recurve and Standard Recurve (note 8.6.1 which may have some effect)

Note also that unlike Longbow it does not state the style of release.

However if you where to use a thumb release you would probably be limited to tape or a soft stall on you thumb.

I would still ask AA just to see what they have to say.

[DanceswithDingoes]

ABA has a new 'Primitive/Historical' division which would allow the horse bow with thumb rings provided they a: dont use modern materials like fibreglass in their construction (must be sinew,bark,bone or rawhide backed)
and b: must use arrows that have their fletches bound not glued

[Marcus]

More divisions, yeah! :rolleyes:

[Mervwho]

More divisions, yeah! :rolleyes:





Don't forget everyone can now get a trophy for just turning up. It doesn't cost anymore for the extras!!

[GrahameA]

Hi DWD

"Bound only". That does not make sense - well to me anyway. Many old arrows were glued and bound. Basically tack them in place with some glue and then bind. :confused:

How would they handle longbow arrows where the binding area was covered with virido greco?

Oh well, I really do not understand these things. :-D

Edit

Just went and had a look at the IFAA Rules (could not find info on ABA site). It states:

. Arrow shafts shall be made of wood and shall be fletched with natural feathers which are attached in the historical manner (no clear glue or superglue, etc). Modern arrow points or piles as well as modern nocks shall be permitted. Nocks that are cut into the shaft are not permitted.

Which makes a bit more sense.

These are interesting

http://www.ifaa-archery.org/pages/classic.htm
http://www.ifaa-archery.org/pages/st_cb.htm

End Edit

[Jason.P]

Jason

Have a read of :

http://www.archery.org.au/lib/pdf/Chapter8.pdf

And then askk AA for a ruling.

My reading indicates Recurve, Barebow Recurve and Standard Recurve (note 8.6.1 which may have some effect)

Note also that unlike Longbow it does not state the style of release.

However if you where to use a thumb release you would probably be limited to tape or a soft stall on you thumb.

I would still ask AA just to see what they have to say.

Thanks Grahame A very helpful

[GrahameA]

Marcus

quote
More divisions, yeah!
unquote

Sorry I cannot agree with you.

For me this is more of an issue of allowing people who want to shoot bows that are outside of the "mainstream bows" the opportunites to do so amongst themselves with some reasonable guidelines.

The alternative could be that people decide to go off and form there own association and I would see that as a significantly worse consequence.

[Marcus]

Where does it end though? What if I want to shoot compound fingers with pin sights for FITA? I'm not catered for.
What about composite bow with thumb rings?
What about Native American bows? Nothing for them.
Individuals need to follow the established rules and quit expecting the organisations to cater to their every whims. Want to shoot a horse bow then fine, but don't expect the org to make a division for you (not saying that Jason is saying that)
That's how this sport has gotten so messed up. Case in point, Barebow Compound (oxymoron), worse is barebow compound age divisions.

It would be like expecting the NBL to setup a new league for athletes under 6' tall.

[Eberbachl]

More divisions, yeah! :rolleyes:

Yay!

Everyone wins a prize!

:rolleyes:

Archery has too many divisions as it is. I think it's absurd to go adding more.

[Mike13]

It would be like expecting the NBL to setup a new league for athletes under 6' tall.
Yes! Finally all those hours of shooting around at school will pay off and I'll get a big, fat NBL paycheck. The NBL still exists, right?

[GrahameA]

Hi Marcus and Luke

Perhaps by rationalising.

You have an issue with increasing the number of divisions (and so do I). However perhaps things are better served by looking at the bigger picture and where "Archery" in general wants to end up.

Just because you have more divisons doesn't mean you have everyone getting a prize. That is a decison of the event organisers.

[Clare Barnes]

Just done the maths for the start of the Indoor Nationals medal order.

7 age divs
2 genders
6 bowtypes

Equals 84 (minus 4 as no cub or cadet crossbows allowed) possible Indoor champions. Plus another 8 gold for the recurve and Compound team winners.

Going by the entries online so far http://www.archery-forum.com/indoor/entries.php the 7 ages for the recurve and compound look as though all but a couple of will have at least 4 competitors in their category (and most many more). :D

But for example Men's Recurve Barebow:
1 Open
2 Master
3 Veteran

Women's Crossbow:
1 Open
1 Veteran

Boys Barebow Recurve:
1 Intermediate
1 Cadet
(in fact they are so far the only juniors not shooting compound or recurve though there are still some states to add entries)

As I write this Open Men's Longbow is the only non-recurve/compound category needing 3 medals engraved, which means there are 4 or more competitors and a challenging competition will exist.

There are still many entries to be added to the online list so I hope that more of the categories will have real competition. Everyone shoots the same round - pity there can't just be "Open" +/- "Junior" for these less common bow types, ensuring some real competition and a sense of achievement for the archers. Perhaps next year it could be an option on the entry form to move up to a division with competition if none appears at your level? :-?

[recurve boy]

At Sydney Bowmen, IIRC, they simply have a "Traditional Bow" category. You get to shooting anything that is "traditional". Once, there was a guy who decided to shoot his Japanese bow. IIRC, there are no rules about thumbrings and what not. If that's how it was shot, OK.

I also think too many divisions is stupid. But I think a "Traditional" division would be valid.

I cannot remember if they differentiate between wood and alloy though. If they do, they should stop.

[Marcus]

Can I use my traditional ProVantage compound bow with Stan CNC release, Beman DIVAs and Check-it sight?

[DanceswithDingoes]

Can I use my traditional ProVantage compound bow with Stan CNC release, Beman DIVAs and Check-it sight?
No

[Liam]

Beman DIVAs

I have some of those! They were quality arrows untill they started cracking.