Lighting for indoor competition

[katzgrin]

The FITA rule book for indoor starts with

8.1 Range layout

8.1.1 The range must comply with the following provisions.

The following rules give in this section minimum dimensions shooting lanes, tolerances for the range (i.e range tolerance +/- 10cm at 18/58m.) and angle of butts etc.

In section 8.2 dimensions of target faces with tolerance of +/- 1mm for scoring zones 10, 9, 8 are stated.

Rule 8.1.1.8 regarding lighting simply states.

[Marcus]

Why make organising competitions even harder?

[Friar Tuck]

I have been talking to a few people on the Gold Coast regarding getting some form of indoor shooting going.

Seriously if it comes down to specifics on light spectrums and illumination minimums then I can't see it happening. It is hard enough now to find somewhere that will even consider you letting the hall be used for flinging arrows without having to query them on their lighting setups.

:grin: :grin: Isn't it supposed to be fun :grin:

[2Dogs]

Hmmmmm like who cares!!!

[Mervwho]

If you can see the target what's the problem. Just someone going on a power trip.

[Marcus]

While we will likely not set lighting standards for the indoor we will set hot dog temperature and wetness standards so that all venues can provide their competitors with exactly teh same level of quality in their hotdogs for lunch.
Afterall if one venue has really soggy hotdogs those archers will be at a disadvantage.

[CMB50]

I think there needs to be a maintained % of toilets available to competitors and i think 6% is the right number.

This 6% toilet to competitor ratio needs to be closely administered as so conditions in each state are equal. if the % is not a whole number then it is rounded up to the next whole number.

eg,

200 competitors @ 6% toilet / competitor ratio = 12 toilets at the venue. No more no less.

50 competitors @ 6% toliet / competitor ratio = 3 toilets at the venue.


Afterall, we don't want competitors in one state able to waltz into a toilet and go about their business whenever they please when competitors in another state have to que for 30 minutes!

This is the big issue people and you heard (read) it here first!

[PeterBennett]

Lol

[PeterBennett]

TCAG has 4 toilets in the clubroom, 5 near our field course and 1 portaloo in the field course. how many competitors can our indoor range hold?

[CMB50]

TCAG has 4 toilets in the clubroom, 5 near our field course and 1 portaloo in the field course. how many competitors can our indoor range hold?


Is this one of those random math quizzes?! :o :D



167!

[frommy]

Is this one of those random math quizzes?! :o :D



167!

So, no problem. Only one flight is needed. :-D

[Eberbachl]

I'm more concerned about the lighting in the toilets, rather than the number of toilets.

I think minimum lux standards need to be maintained by each state in each toilet cubicle. If a competitor in one state can see the skid marks in the bottom of the portaloo, but another competitor in another state cannot, the competitor with less available light is clearly at an advantage.

This is an outrage, and I think the organisers should be held accountable.

[PeterBennett]

At TCAG we can say we have the best lighting in our toilets so all skidmarks are readily viewable

[Alderscrub]

Well here in Canada, we shoot in igloos. We also don't have the technology of the lightbulb, thus, over hundreds of years, we have developed the ability to see in the dark. Why argue about lights when you can just be Canadian?;)

[ULTRAPROELITE]

Well here in Canada, we shoot in igloos. We also don't have the technology of the lightbulb, thus, over hundreds of years, we have developed the ability to see in the dark. Why argue about lights when you can just be Canadian?;)

eh? :confused:

[Brett k]

I have posted about this before. To make a standard minimum lighting condition for an indoor is cheap and easy, a simple lux light metre to test the ambient avalaible light is all that is needed. Then if the venue isnt up to minimum illumination have two HMIs on stand by. If you dont care about colour temperature then halogen or tungsten will do. (not rocket science)


Friar Tuck wrote:
Seriously if it comes down to specifics on light spectrums and illumination minimums then I can't see it happening. It is hard enough now to find somewhere that will even consider you letting the hall be used for flinging arrows without having to query them on their lighting setups.

Isn't it supposed to be fun

Sorry Friar yes it is fun, but its also a discussion about the national champs and it seems that light is a concern of a lot of people. its not hard it would take 30 seconds to test, and about 1000th of a second to fix. (again not rocket science)
I enjoyed the new system an hope that it is run in a in a like system in following years. To make a fair competition there does need to be some min standards in place. The rules that people keep quoting dont allow for the fact that we all shot in different venues. A set of min standards would also stop all of this needles complaining about the most successful indoor nats Australia has ever held.

[PeterBennett]

to get the lighting in our venue as good as it is took a lot of work, we put in over 70 double 4 ft flouro lights, with a bank end to end over the targets. We then had to set them in a steel channel tube down from the roof to get them at the perfect height and angle. We then took out the standard tubes and replaced them with Trifosphor tubes (daylight tubes), to get them even brighter. total cost for lighting and wiring with support from local businesses by giving us all the materials at cost price came to $18,000.00. This is our own venue, but we were not allowed to do this at the Moe rec center where we used to run the State Championships. There we made a bracket that was set into the top of eack target stand and came out about 1 meter at about a 30 degree angle, which held a double flouro backed with timber to protect it from arrow strikes. This is a lot cheaper but also a lot more setting up.

Good Luck
Peter

[Marcus]

We will have a minimum lighting standard next year using a simple LUX metre.

"Is the room pitch black?"
No = You can shoot
Yes = consider some lighting

The ones calling for lighting standards need to stop for a minute and have a good think about it.
If we set a lighting standard then:
We must somehow police it
We must work out a penalty for states not adhering to it

This would of course be useless because the theory is that good lighting = better scores, so surely the states not having good lighting are shooting lower scores and are therefore penalized already meaning we don't have to do anything.
That's the logic.

I'll also note that all the crying over lighting is coming out of NSW, which did exceptionally well this year. Clearly lighting means squat, or are you saying you guys are so freaking awesome that with better lighting you would have won everything?

However the vocal minority may have a point
So what is the correct standard in which to shoot in?
Lets go with 1000 LUX, nice and bright.

So if the venue is under that mark then that venue receives 1 point per archer for each 100 LUX under 1000
If over that mark then they are deducted 1 point.

That sounds fair, and very against FITA rules.

Temperature is also a big problem, with again lost of crying from some areas about how much colder they are than others.
News flash, it was close to zero out at Morwell on Saturday.
Morwell had jet heaters
Sunday I was shooting in a tshirt because the organisers did a good job.
If your organisers froze you then cry to them, or wear more clothes. (I wore 5 layers with 2 thermals on Saturday and a beanie)

But hey, instead lets set temperature limits. All venues must be at a minimum of 19

[James Park]

An interesting thing to note:
At the Victorian venue for the Indoor Nationals last weekend, Peter Bennett showed us a few pictures taken 11 months ago at that venue.
Less than one year ago there was no indoor range, no heating, no lighting, no seats, no target butts, no PA system, no DOS box, no shooting lines or lanes, no floor covering.
In fact, there was nothing but grass and dirt (plus the essential ingredient of a grand plan and lots of enthusiasm) - plus some non Twin City archers interested in them).

[James Park]

I should also have added that one year ago Twin City did not have a field course or a car park,

[Chris Madeley]

It seems like people really aren't thinking this one through, being so focused on a minimum lighting level, i think we need a maximum.

Surely it'd be far easier to set a maximum lighting level of 0 LUX, and we'll all shoot in the dark. Not only will this make it fair for all of the states, but we wont need light meters, lights or even windows! Just think of the savings!

[Purple Hats]

It's easy to see why he shoots recurve isn't it?

:P