Who's Coming to Perth Nats?

[Purple Hats]

Ok, I think it's about time someone asked a question like this, seeing as it's only about 8 months until the 2007 Joint Nationals to be held in Perth.

So.. Which Juniors are coming?? Which Division do you shoot in (age and bow type), will you be a part of your State Team etc...

Cheers

Alex

[dbjac]

well, Alex, you know neither of us really classify as juniors, but i'll be there (hopefully).
I'll be shooting Open Mens Compound. And hopefully part of the Victorian State Team :D

[ninevalleys]

damn it!,

i ain't coming this time around!!, having jsut changed form compound and recurve, my father doesnt seem to be in the permitting kind of mood. which means i miss out on my last ever junior nats. but ill be at the next ones!!! as a team official!!.

damn im envious of you all!!

cheers NV

[Ja]

Mmm well, you know me hats, not sure if ill be in the team or not though

cant wait for the matchplay play!

[Marcus]

as a team official!!.

What do you need a team official for? It's not the World Championships.

[Sandy Hancock]

My daughter Kit Kat has said she'll accompany me. Look out Intermediate girls freestyle recurvers.;)
The open men need not feel threatened :lol:

[andrewf87]

Hopefully ill be going and shooting in the open mens compound and most likly wont be a member of the state team.

[dbjac]

:lol: your in the Team at the moment... keep it up! :lol:

[andrewf87]

Why must u mock me ;)

[Enlightened One]

Hi Alex

Its Brendan, ill definately be coming over to perth for the nats to hopefully shoot the target in both seniors and juniors.

[Cartz]

Hell yeah, ill be there! Both Seniors and Juniors ;) Oh, and cool pic purple hats ;)

[Ja]

just in case people havent read the entry forms; The matchplay will be combined with the snrs and jnrs, however, only "junior" (U18) jnrs will be able to shoot with the seniors, cadets can not.

But cadets can shoot the team matchplay interestingly enough.
I dont think that affects most people on the forum but it may affect archers that you know.

[Cartz]

just in case people havent read the entry forms; The matchplay will be combined with the snrs and jnrs, however, only "junior" (U18) jnrs will be able to shoot with the seniors, cadets can not.

But cadets can shoot the team matchplay interestingly enough.
I dont think that affects most people on the forum but it may affect archers that you know.


hmm i wonder why that is...i was a cadet this year and shot the seniors...is this age discrimination? :p

[Clare Barnes]

just in case people havent read the entry forms; The matchplay will be combined with the snrs and jnrs, however, only "junior" (U18) jnrs will be able to shoot with the seniors, cadets can not.

But cadets can shoot the team matchplay interestingly enough.
I dont think that affects most people on the forum but it may affect archers that you know.

Sadly it affects all those archers shooting recurve and compound as Cadets who do not choose to also shoot the Open Target event.

[Ja]

its just a lefty discrimination cartz ;)

true clare, forgot about that

[ninevalleys]

lol,

well last nats we had 2 officials or summin, like team coach and stuff, so ill just do that job

unless i can hitchhike my way there

[Clare Barnes]

I admit that after the success of the matchplay at the Junior Nationals in Brisbane this year (and the fact that AA actively encourages MP events even with financial incentives), I was disappointed that the Cadets and Juniors do not get their own MP event in 2007. :(

Perhaps reverting to a double clout is the compensation? :silly:

[Tegs]

I'm coming Alex and i'm heads high for getting in the team

[Cartz]

Cadets and Juniors do not get their own MP event in 2007. :(



hmmm?

[Ja]

what do you mean hmmm?

[Cartz]

the juniors dont get a MP event in 2007?

[Ja]

she meant a seperated event, the U18s are combined with the snrs

[Cartz]

ah...might be time saving i guess

[Marcus]

unfreakingbelievable!

I won't be able to recommend my juniors compete if they can't shoot matchplay.

It's the year 2007, surely WA has had time to realise that matchplay is important to archery. :rolleyes:

The Cadets shoot Matchplay at the World Target. They need to shoot it locally.

It's not hard to make an event inclusive rather than exclusive. Perhaps if WA couldn't figure it out they should have asked for help.

[James Park]

Yes, it is definitely a backward step. It does need to be changed.
Perhaps WA is a tiny bit more than 2 hours behind the East?

[2Dogs]

2 Hours 10 years 9 months 21 days to be precise!

Looks like we are all flying over on the Tardis ;)

Zoe was right!..... their feng Shui is Fuxed!!:mad:

[archerbri]

Sandy hancock...... is cathrine going to perth? i thought she had stopped!



yer i will be going to Perth too! just changed over to compound after 4 years with recurve! will be shooting compound at the nat's though! cant wait!!!

[Cartz]

2 Hours 10 years 9 months 21 days to be precise!



So who speaks slower to whom? The QLDers or the WWWWWWWAAAAA people

But i agree totally with Marcus, Matchplay is the new format seen worldwide. In reality our Juniors should be shooting more of it. Are we breeding a bunch of 'clout-loving' juniors?

[Chris Madeley]

jim, we're two hours and two years behind the rest of oz. Even the property boom is still happening here!

Unfortunately the petrol prices aren't 2 years behind as well :(

[Hannah]

Is it logistically too difficult for this to be changed...I mean there is still 9 months to go...not that it affects me (unless I really did go over in the tardis :lol:)

[Liam]

I'll hopefully be going.

Assuming I can get the money, start hitting the middle, and all the important things...

[Hannah]

Assuming I ... start hitting the middle...

You're brave, I wouldn't put that in as a condition of my entering - otherwise I would probably never enter :)

[Ja]

So who speaks slower to whom? The QLDers or the WWWWWWWAAAAA people

But i agree totally with Marcus, Matchplay is the new format seen worldwide. In reality our Juniors should be shooting more of it. Are we breeding a bunch of 'clout-loving' juniors?

c'mon mate, im the only one who likes clout it seems, cant keep picking on me i get enough of it at my club! :p

[Purple Hats]

That's true, having U18 combined with snrs for matchplay is an absolute load of poop, as much as I hate to say it regarding my own state. I shall use my considerable influence (as the one who wears The Hat :P) to try and rectify the situation lol.

Hopefully it will change, I'm not sure if anyone from the organising committee is on the forum, but we can definitely mention it to them.

[2Dogs]

Cheaps flights and Accomodation for those who want to stay with me the extra few days.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/62/3doctardis.jpg/300px-3doctardis.jpg

Makes allowances for the 2 year time warp thing too ;)

[Hannah]

Cheaps flights and Accomodation for those who want to stay with me the extra few days.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/62/3doctardis.jpg/300px-3doctardis.jpg

Makes allowances for the 2 year time warp thing too ;)

What an offer!!!

[2Dogs]

So I'll count you in ? :D

[NOCK HUNTER]

Cheaps flights and Accomodation for those who want to stay with me the extra few days.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/62/3doctardis.jpg/300px-3doctardis.jpg

Makes allowances for the 2 year time warp thing too ;)

Very good :rofl:

[Purple Hats]

Very good :rofl:

NOCK HUNTER likes it because it could transport him 1000 years back in time, so he could shoot against people using sticks and strings, and have a chance of winning :P

[NOCK HUNTER]

Your parents must be............Gutted :roll:

[Purple Hats]

when oh when will you think of something new to say....

[The One]

just in case people havent read the entry forms; The matchplay will be combined with the snrs and jnrs, however, only "junior" (U18) jnrs will be able to shoot with the seniors, cadets can not.

But cadets can shoot the team matchplay interestingly enough.
I dont think that affects most people on the forum but it may affect archers that you know.

ARSE!

[Clare Barnes]

http://www.usarchery.org/files/06_jr_world_trials_procedures.pdf

http://www.usarchery.org/files/06_jr_world_trials_results.pdf

It's interesting to note the emphasis on Matchplay being used in the USA to select teams for the JWACs.

[Keith Gaisford]

If you have concerns re Junior Match Play at the Nats, contact the organisers and let them know.
The Forum is not the official AA communication, but does allow everyones thoughts.
Perth ASWA did step in with Juniors to prevent a Non Junior Event. It took some talking to get it. Some committee members left.

Jim Park, as National Coaching Chairman contact organisers if you have concerns with the Junior Match Play.

Entries have started to come in.

Keith Gaisford

[KAJ]

i'm going to nats. First one ever! but i am not a newb i have have been shooting for 1 yr and 8 months now :) Can't wait until the matchplay

[Sten]

I do believe I'll be there. ^^ Man, havn't been on the forum in so long, lol...

[Marcus]

Yeah you gotta update the Hoyt part of your sig. :lol:

[Sten]

I know. Lol. Spent the last 20min updating everything on my account. XD

[dbjac]

Holy crap! its sten... :o whats it been? like... 3 years since your last post? :lol:

[andrewf87]

At least he is back on the forum :)

[Sten]

Heheh, yeah, about three years or so. Thought I might as well start coming here, I spend enough time on the computer anyways.

[dbjac]

be careful, you'll get addicted. It will consume your life.

[archerbri]

ohhh i will be coming!! HAHA too all those people who will be shooting match play with me in the background laughing! all i can say to that is......... GOOD LUCK! i cant wait for the nat's with my little compound hehe. oh does anyone know if nicole pless is shooting jun or seniors??

[dbjac]

Your in juniors right? Yep, she's definately shooting jnrs. :p

(actually i dont know, i'll find out.)

[archerbri]

AHHHH no! yer i am in juniors! lol

[Ja]

i dont think you distracted anyone this time bri :p what makes you think next year will be any different?

[archerbri]

ohhh i will bring the crocodile again HAHAHA

[Sten]

be careful, you'll get addicted. It will consume your life.

Hmm. I don't think I can let the forum consume my life... Archery itself's done that already. If I let the forum do that I'd have no life at all...

Not that that's any different to normal. XD

[Liam]

Hmm. I don't think I can let the forum consume my life... Archery itself's done that already. If I let the forum do that I'd have no life at all...

Not that that's any different to normal. XD

It will, though. You have no control.

[Sten]

I have a semblance of control.. but yeah. Ur probably right.

[Purple Hats]

don't lie buddy, you have absolutely no control, and you know it.

[Marcus]

I have a semblance of control

The fluro lights at indoor care to differ.

[Matti Laakso]

Little Sean-ee "might" be going.........
Now that he's shooting recurve, He's trying to make 40m .....................and I am trying to make 4G to pay for it!

[Sten]

The fluro lights at indoor care to differ.

I seem to remember a certain someone putting one of them out with a longbow...Marcus...-ahem- :P

[archerybob]

Little Sean-ee "might" be going.........
Now that he's shooting recurve, He's trying to make 40m .....................and I am trying to make 4G to pay for it!

nice go sean-ee he'll have a ball and scare some of the big guys with his good shooting

[Marcus]

I seem to remember a certain someone putting one of them out with a longbow...Marcus...-ahem- :P:p

[Sten]

Cadets and Juniors do not get their own MP event in 2007.

No matchplay? But that's the best part of it... Even the world champs are based on matchplay. Seems a bit pointless to me not including matchplay at a national level, when you have to excel at it in the worlds.

[dbjac]

so shoot with the big boys you girl!! ;)

Actually, i do agree. Not incorporating younger classes in the Matchplay events is pretty retarded.

[Purple Hats]

We've been through this, I still haven't been able to contact the organising committee, although I will probably get around to it this weekend.

[Hannah]

We've been through this, I still haven't been able to contact the organising committee, although I will probably get around to it this weekend.

Good work - let us know how you go...

[Sten]

so shoot with the big boys you girl!! ;)

Actually, i do agree. Not incorporating younger classes in the Matchplay events is pretty retarded.

Damn right it's retarded. And why, when I can still clean up? Heheh. Besides, I'll be doing that next year..

[Purple Hats]

OK - Just spoke to Keith Schurmann - President of Archery Society of WA. At the moment anyone who can shoot 70m can shoot matchplay - they will just have to do it within the Senior Division - ie: no separate divisions for Junior shooters - so we get hammered by Clint, Zoran, Pat, Jim etc etc.. This is not desirable for many of us (judging from what I've heard). After speaking to Keith, the main problem with integrating Juniors into matchplay events is target space and shooting line space. If we get entries consistent with previous national entries (even a little lower) we will be flooded. However, I believe he will be looking into alternative arrangements with the Organising Committee to try and find additional ways to incorporate Juniors for this event. It all depends on the number of entries and people intending to shoot matchplay.

Keith has told me that if it is possible, there will be matchplay for the Juniors (including medals for separate divisions) although it will almost certainly be only for those Juniors who can shoot 70m (Junior Boys and Girls Recurve and Compound, as well as Cadet Boys Compound and Recurve). Keith is going to be speaking to the Committee soonish and I will attempt to get more information from him in the future.

Hope this helps.

Alex

[Clare Barnes]

At the moment anyone who can shoot 70m can shoot matchplay -

I understand that for the Open matchplay to be recognised as a World Ranking Event all of the competitors must have shot the same ranking round i.e. Men would need to be ranked over a Men's FITA (144 arrows starting at 90m) and women over a Women's FITA (144 arrows starting at 70m).

...that if it is possible, there will be matchplay for the Juniors (including medals for separate divisions) although it will almost certainly be only for those Juniors who can shoot 70m (Junior Boys and Girls Recurve and Compound, as well as Cadet Boys Compound and Recurve).

I also have some problems with the concept of junior boys shooting different rounds (Juniors and Cadets) to be ranked for the one matchplay event. It would certainly mean it is not run to FITA rules and therefore no AA or FITA Records would be claimable. Or is the implication that to shoot the matchplay Cadets are required to shoot the Target event as Juniors, which would then make it meet requirements? :-?

[Marcus]

if you didn't think you would have the room for Jr Matchplay, then why say you could run the event?
Would be like offering to host it and then saying "sorry, can't get a clout ground so you will all have to shoot clout with mini bows to 80m"
or "Yes we can run it, but our field range is short, so only white pegs can be used"

DVA was going to run the Jrs but told AA we didn't have room for clout so look at the format to make it easier to run. When you submit a bid for these you should make sure you can run and cater for everyone competing.

The Jr Natinals is about participation and development of juniors. By setting up matchplay formats that only cater to the smallest division (Juniors) then you can denying Australian archers both.
At the Trans Tasmen we used a matchplay format that included everyone, allowed mixed divisions and we figured it out within about 30 minutes of discussion.

[Purple Hats]

How did they do it for this year's Junior Nationals?

It was conducted at the 2nd distance for the Cadets and Juniors right? I can remember 70m and 60m targets being set up, although I can't remember any shorter than that. Does that mean that Cadet Girls were not included in the matchplay?

In response to Clare's question, I believe that there would be medals available for Cadet Boys AND Junior Boys AND Junior Girls. Thus, within each division, the archers have been ranked whilst shooting the same round - Ladies FITA for Cadet Boys and Junior Girls, and a Mens FITA for Junior Boys. Does this remove that problem? Or do all archers competing in the matchplay have to shoot the same round to be ranked, even if they are competing in different divisions for the matchplay?

Please remember - we're still in the early stages of this process at the moment. These problems will hopefully be ironed out before the Nationals commence.

Additionally, I am a messenger. Anyone remember that saying: don't shoot the messenger? :P

[The One]

I seem to remember having the Nationals in Brisbane one year ranked on 70m distance from one day. I think eventually they had to redo the seedings, as it wasn't legal?

[The One]

When it comes down to it, it has to be asked what is in the best interest of the juniors. A format that suits better, but is not FITA registered, may be of interest.

[ULTRAPROELITE]

:2gunfire:
Additionally, I am a messenger. Anyone remember that saying: don't shoot the messenger? :P


MY JOB IS TO SHOOT THE MESSENGER:snipersmile:

[Pinky]

According to the entry form, matchplay is being conducted with the top 64 archers in each (Senior) division and top 8 for crossbow divisions. Do any divisions even get 64 entries?

Is this a FITA rule that it has to be the top 64? And if it is, does it matter that the matchplay is not technically FITA legal? We could change it to top 32, 16 or even 8 for really small divisions. This might help reduce the number of Senior archers shooting matchplay from nearly everyone to about half and leave some room for juniors who don't shoot 70m.

[The One]

According to the entry form, matchplay is being conducted with the top 64 archers in each (Senior) division and top 8 for crossbow divisions. Do any divisions even get 64 entries?

Is this a FITA rule that it has to be the top 64? And if it is, does it matter that the matchplay is not technically FITA legal? We could change it to top 32, 16 or even 8 for really small divisions. This might help reduce the number of Senior archers shooting matchplay from nearly everyone to about half and leave some room for juniors who don't shoot 70m.

When it says top 64, it means if you rank outside 64, yu do not get direct entry into the matchplay. If there are less than 64 entries, they will have byes. Not to worry, still FITA legal.

[mr fudge]

cadet boys compound from MPB

hoping to come if i can get the money!

[stars_shine]

I'll be there!
U18 girls recurve!
Not sure if im shooting field, but im definitely there for the target!

[Pinky]

When it says top 64, it means if you rank outside 64, yu do not get direct entry into the matchplay. If there are less than 64 entries, they will have byes. Not to worry, still FITA legal.

Yeah, that's how it was run in 2005 so I figured that's how it would be run next year. But I was wondering if it would still be FITA legal to restrict the cut off to (for example) top 16 for divisions with less than 32 entries so that fewer Seniors are shooting matchplay and more juniors have the opportunity.

I assume we need the whole competition to be FITA legal as we want the event to count as a World Ranking shoot. Is this correct?

[The One]

I don't believe it is legal to cut it to less places than standard. Someone else may be able to give you the final word on that, though.

[Ja]

just an update, cadets will now have matchplay at the nats, found out this morning. hazar!

[Cartz]

just an update, cadets will now have matchplay at the nats, found out this morning. hazar!

word my friend....word....

[Clare Barnes]

just an update, cadets will now have matchplay at the nats, found out this morning. hazar!
Great news and thanks ASWA. :D

So are there to be separate Matchplay events and champions for Open, Junior and Cadet?

[Ja]

umm, im not sure yet, but ill let you know when i find out.

[KAJ]

thats heaps good if us cadets can shoot our own matchplay! finally!!!

[nzo]

didnt you cadets get your own matchplay last yr

[Purple Hats]

Yeah they did at the last Aussie Junior Nats

[Ja]

didnt you cadets get your own matchplay last yr

this year you mean?

[Sean-ee]

I might go to the (nats) depending on money wise if i do go i would be
in u/12 boys recurve.

my bow type is a 23" aerotec in Cobolt blue and my age is 11 years old.

[Hannah]

Primal and I are hoping to go...but no promises at this stage...would be awesome!

[Rintec Shooter]

im not going :shocked:

[keno88]

im not going :shocked:

at this point in time neither am i

[ninevalleys]

yeah keno, i dont htink any junior archers form NQ are going. Guy may go, but even he is not sure. im not shooting well enough, same with BigJ. Paul and anthony arnt (too far away). perth is jsut too expensive for most of us NQ guys. but if you do end up going good on you

cheers NV

[Purple Hats]

yeah keno, i dont htink any junior archers form NQ are going. Guy may go, but even he is not sure. im not shooting well enough, same with BigJ. Paul and anthony arnt (too far away). perth is jsut too expensive for most of us NQ guys. but if you do end up going good on you

cheers NV

Tell Guy that I'll smack him if he doesn't come. Junior Boys Compound is gonna be rockin'

[keno88]

Tell Guy that I'll smack him if he doesn't come. Junior Boys Compound is gonna be rockin'

lol, he may come i dunno.

[Purple Hats]

lol, he may come i dunno.

Better. lol

[ninevalleys]

lol, ill tell him. damn i wish i was gunna be there. last years was so kickass.

cheers NV

[Ja]

you mean this years..

your not coming? whoever will i talk to??? :p

[ninevalleys]

i kNOW!!

ill have to call you:P and talk to you form here... not hte same though.
ill be there for the seniors after though (2008) hopefully...

if not ill have to ocme and visit lol... been meaning to go to peerth

cheers NV

[Trykoness]

I will be coming to the junior nats. I cant wait.:D

[Purple Hats]

Well at least if ninevalleys isn't coming I won't have to rebuff his attempts to stay at my house!

[Ja]

:lol:

[dbjac]

Well at least if ninevalleys isn't coming I won't have to rebuff his attempts to stay at my house!

No, but now you've got to keep me AND andy out. :p

[andrewf87]

No, but now you've got to keep me AND andy out. :p

Don't forget the b*tches :D

[Purple Hats]

pfft. I will actually have time to look for our accommodation soon, so I can let you know later on.

[NOCK HUNTER]

No, No,Im sure your all more than welcome at Purple hat's house!

[andrewf87]

No, No,Im sure your all more than welcome at Purple hat's house!

Ohh cool so its settled then :D

[ninevalleys]

just take a tent and set it up in his front yard

[Ja]

what? in kalamunda? you must be joking!! attacks at this time of year in that area is fairly high ;)

[Purple Hats]

1. I don't live in Kalamunda - you suck.
2. If you come to my house I will shoot you in the arse.
3. NOCKHUNTER has a nice enough house, and Clint will be staying with him too, so you can head over there for an archery party

[Death Damsel]

1. I don't live in Kalamunda - you suck.
2. If you come to my house I will shoot you in the arse.
3. NOCKHUNTER has a nice enough house, and Clint will be staying with him too, so you can head over there for an archery party

And why doesn't PH live in Kalamunda? Obviously because of all the mob violence and attacks by gangs of drug-crazed ferals that happen up there.

[Ja]

And why doesn't PH live in Kalamunda? Obviously because of all the mob violence and attacks by gangs of drug-crazed ferals that happen up there.

i didnt attack him, i just...followed him..

[Purple Hats]

Right, that's it - gonna hang crap on my club are you? Bang, both just disqualified from the state target. :p

[Death Damsel]

Ha! wasn't shooting the state target anyway. Did I happen to mention to anyone that I was going to Canada? :)

[ninevalleys]

PARTY AT PH's HOUSE!!!!!!

[Cartz]

PARTY AT PH's HOUSE!!!!!!


Yeah bro, lets all bring our Gamecubes and just Chill!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6znjRPtdxzA

:rofl:

[burt666]

think i'll go there with the kiwi's... but i'll be competiting as.... dunno... mercenary?

[Purple Hats]

eugh... Kiwis. I thought we were far enough away from them in WA - it's bad enough we had to put up with them at the Trans Tasman...

[Ja]

speaking of which, does anyone have any idea how the trans tasman will run next year? or wont there be one?

[andrewf87]

Yeah bro, lets all bring our Gamecubes and just Chill!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6znjRPtdxzA

:rofl:

:rofl: Gotta watch that Purple Hats character, he's shifty:p. Ohh **** dbjac i hear these bro rapists target people who wear there collars up ;)

[The One]

speaking of which, does anyone have any idea how the trans tasman will run next year? or wont there be one?

Trans-Tasman will be held in Christchurch, NZ