What do clubs charge?

[Flehrad]

Hi All,

I am considering bringing to the next club meeting a price increase in our membership fees. Our club has been blessed in the past with university funding but with VSU kicking in this semester, financial support undoubtedly will wane and perhaps even die.

I was wondering if representitives from clubs around Australia could please reply with a simple set of information, club, location, annual membership fee (inc or not inc AA/RGB costs if possible), range fees, and if uniforms are required(compulsory) or just if you compete in AA/RGB events.

This way, I can take the information and we can decide what may be appropriate for our membership etc.

Thank you all,
Don Chiou
Sydney Uni Archery

[Raven2822]

Trophy Bowhunters. We are a field archery club in Adelaide.
Annual membership is about $65 plus ABA membership which is compulsory.
Weekly range fees are then $6 for members and $10 for non members.
Trophy/Competitions shoots are $10 for members.

I consider these fees quite low but like most we are a non-profit club.

[StevenB]

westlake archers - ANSW/AA fees plus membership, works out around $130-150 total, for a club with permanent butts and field course(they will be sharing the grounds with Boolaroo bowmen)

Warringah Archers is $231 but they have other types of membership and also a working bee levy if you don't intend to help. Also a social membership for $150 but with a $10 shooting fee

[StevenB]

Sydney Olympic Park Archers $220 per year 7 day access

[PeterBennett]

Twin City Archers Gippsland $20.00 membership plus AA/AV
Range fees $3.00 per day or $100.00 anually

We have 44 movable target butts, with sunshelters
a 30m x 25m indoor range
a 24 target fita field course
and a full length clout range

Peter

[Marcus]

DVA has just increased their to $110 per year with 7 day a week access (except to indoor range in Thursday nights) and no additional range fees. Couple that with an AV or 3DAAA membership and you can shoot at DVA for only 39

[Nathan]

Sydney Olympic Park Archers $220 per year 7 day access

are you a member? also what age is a junior at clubs

[Liam]

http://mac.asn.au/membership_fees.htm

Seniors: $300

Juniors: $210

EDIT: That's including AA, AV, and a "join fee" (which I think you only pay once)

Just for club membership, seniors: $159 Juniors: $119.

[dane]

the central coast moonterra archers club fees are about
$130 a family..$80 single central coast moonterra archers currently has four ABA ranges and is con- structing a IFFA range

[The One]

At Auckland, our club fees are $100 for Seniors, $80 for Juniors. No target fees for members.

How much you set your fees to be depends on where you want to generate your revenue from. Some like to generate the brunt of it from affiliation, others get a majority of it from running tournaments at a profit.

[frommy]

Camden & District Archery Club - $20 over the AA/ASNSW fee for seniors and $7 for juniors.

Range fee of $3 per day shooting.

12 permanent target butts.

We get good income from infrequent tournaments, and regular introduction courses ($60). Also we buy cans of drink when on special for between .35c & .40c and sell them for $1.

[recurve boy]

This way, I can take the information and we can decide what may be appropriate for our membership etc.

Surely the answer is whatever it takes to break even? But aren't you still getting your facilities for free?

[Flehrad]

We are currently getting facilities for free, however the money goes towards equipment renewals, purchases and upgrades as our stock of bows (20+ years old, which some have had quite a bit of abuse before my time) are dying.

At current rates because of the VSU issue, our fees for next year stands at $178, and that does not include AA/ANSW membership and only 2x sessions a week.

If we were to seperate from SU Sport, we then would be able to join AA/ANSW but we would lose *all* of our gear (as it is owned by SU Sport) and free oval use.

A difficult situation.

[shannonhearse]

Yokine Archery Club - Western Australia.

Annual Fees - AA Membership only.

Non members (but members of AA) - $5 per day.
Members - $5 per week.

Grounds on a primary school, so we can shoot any time that school is out. (school hollidays, after school, weekends).

[sharmanwolf]

Mid North Archers $18 membership + $101 afliation fee
field fee
$5 per shoot with own gear
$6.5o using club gear
kids cheaper

[Liam]

We are currently getting facilities for free, however the money goes towards equipment renewals, purchases and upgrades as our stock of bows (20+ years old, which some have had quite a bit of abuse before my time) are dying.

At current rates because of the VSU issue, our fees for next year stands at $178, and that does not include AA/ANSW membership and only 2x sessions a week.

If we were to seperate from SU Sport, we then would be able to join AA/ANSW but we would lose *all* of our gear (as it is owned by SU Sport) and free oval use.

A difficult situation.

Couldn't you keep the yearly fees lower, and have a shooting fee? (Which some clubs seem to do... )

[Marcus]

Personally I don't think having shooting fees is a good move for clubs.
DVA has 170 members and do not charge a shooting fee. Some people use the facility alot, however we would have probably 50 people use it weekly and around 50 who don't use it at all.
Those 50 who use it weekly would not shoot as much as they do now if it cost them $3 a visit.
Participation breeds participation so they are essential to keep people coming back.
You also have to police it and make sure people pay. Much easier to have them pay in one hit than every tie they attend.
You also get the advantage of budgeting better. Our club renews around 120 members in one hit every year. Huge cash injection.
The 50 who never or rarely use the facility are vital to keep it going. If we only made $20 a year off them then we would lose $4500 a year.
This week we have had poor participation at the club by our standards. If we charged $3 a visit we would be down around $100 this week alone.

[StevenB]

are you a member? also what age is a junior at clubs

got that from their website

[hoyt for life 2]

in Rotorua NZ we pay $35 for juniors and $65 for seniors not including the anz fees. members with keys can use the range any time, others just on sundays.

[lewkowski]

Sunset Coast Archers

$15 Reserve Fund/Membership
+ $138 AA/ASWA Fees
+ $5 Week Shooting fee <OR> $120 Yearly Shooting Fee
+ $2 Week if using club equipment

We also hold beginners classes - $80 for an 8 week course including equipment.

[Cutthroat]

At our club the fees are as follows,A.A/A.S.A $109.00 seniors,$69.00 juniors
A club fee of $5.00
Range fee $3.00(own gear) $5.00(club gear)
Indoor fee $5.00
All our target faces have to come from Adelaide so the fees cover transport costs.After a while we require our club members to wear club shirts.
All our grounds are council owned.

[Flehrad]

Wow.
Thank you all for the input so far.

After discussion with our treasurer, we are currently looking at a few options.

One of them, being more interesting is that the club operates on two 'fronts'.

As our club is a AA/ANSW affiliated club, we may be able to get away with it.

Social members pay the SU Sport $148/year, and the club fee $30-40/year to use club gear. Totals $178-188.

Anyone who wishes to compete and have their own gear affiliates with AA/ANSW for (I believe) $95/year, +$30-40 club fee, +$50-65 for uniform (shirt and hat, hat is very important outdoors). Totals $175-200.

A difference of $12 which is not much. However, it means we still get SU Sport funding, use of grounds, and those who are AA based are still insured by AA, and shoot as "visitors". The only problem is there will be a few members who would have to overlap and pay the SU Sport $148 and AA $95 and club fees, which makes it pricey for a select few, as the AA membership club still requires officebearers of the club, and it is easier to have one set of exec compared to two for the same club.

How viable does people think on this idea?

[frommy]

Don,

You are correct that AA/ASNSW fees are $95. I cannot understand how the sandgropers can justify charging $138 (incl AA, which is standard accross all RGB's) as reported by Lewkowski. What a rip-off.

I would recommend that you have a look at the AA rules on temporary membership though, and would think that you might need to have two clubs created.

As I understand the current AA policy of insurance, all members of the same club must be AA affiliated for the club to be covered, however I also understand that your uni has their own coverage, or used to anyway.

Brian

[Marcus]

I can't understand why around the country we are pouring approx $160,000 a year between us into state governing bodies. If we pooled that money we could hire more staff to administrate AA and finally all be moving in the same direction.

[frommy]

If ASWA are charging that much, can any other RGB club admins advise what the fee is in their areas?

Sorry, Don for a mini hijack.

Brian

[Flehrad]

I don't mind the hijack. I was thinking something similar how the different RGB's seemed to have varied costs (thus why I asked for locations of clubs also).

We discussed with our uni people and AA people when we first became affiliated, and the insurance is not an issue as both SU Sport and AA have seperate insurance to cover each membership type. So if a member is SU Sport only, then they are covered for anything club related, while if they are AA covered, then they are covered for anything AA related. It's never been an issue before....

[Zoe]

KGSA in Western Australia: $178 p/a comprising of $55 AA fees, $14 insurance fees, $69 ASWA fees, $40 club fees. Plus there is an additional $5 per week you shoot.


You are correct that AA/ASNSW fees are $95. I cannot understand how the sandgropers can justify charging $138 (incl AA, which is standard accross all RGB's) as reported by Lewkowski. What a rip-off.

Must be transport costs.

[recurve boy]

WTF? Don't you already operate on two fronts?

For what it's worth, I would make sure that you are still affiliated with SU Sports and then take it from there. At the very worst, competitive archers can affiliate with another club (Sydney Bowmen for example - you can get membership for just the AA fee.) At least you'd have free facilities...

Wow.
Thank you all for the input so far.

After discussion with our treasurer, we are currently looking at a few options.

One of them, being more interesting is that the club operates on two 'fronts'.

As our club is a AA/ANSW affiliated club, we may be able to get away with it.

Social members pay the SU Sport $148/year, and the club fee $30-40/year to use club gear. Totals $178-188.

Anyone who wishes to compete and have their own gear affiliates with AA/ANSW for (I believe) $95/year, +$30-40 club fee, +$50-65 for uniform (shirt and hat, hat is very important outdoors). Totals $175-200.

A difference of $12 which is not much. However, it means we still get SU Sport funding, use of grounds, and those who are AA based are still insured by AA, and shoot as "visitors". The only problem is there will be a few members who would have to overlap and pay the SU Sport $148 and AA $95 and club fees, which makes it pricey for a select few, as the AA membership club still requires officebearers of the club, and it is easier to have one set of exec compared to two for the same club.

How viable does people think on this idea?

[PeterBennett]

Archery Victoria in the last few years has dropped its fees from $40.00 per year to $20.00 per year making the AV membership inc AA fees and insurance now $89.00 per year.
The individual clubs then charge what they wish.

Peter

[frommy]

Archery Victoria in the last few years has dropped its fees from $40.00 per year to $20.00 per year making the AV membership inc AA fees and insurance now $89.00 per year.
The individual clubs then charge what they wish.

Peter

Well done AV.

Peter, after further investigation I can confirm that AA fees are $69.00 for adult membership, and $39.00 for juniors. You are quite correct.

Again, well done AV at loking at this seriously. But, Zoe, what transport cost could justify the ASWA fee?

Brian

[Flehrad]

WTF? Don't you already operate on two fronts?

For what it's worth, I would make sure that you are still affiliated with SU Sports and then take it from there. At the very worst, competitive archers can affiliate with another club (Sydney Bowmen for example - you can get membership for just the AA fee.) At least you'd have free facilities...

No, we don't. All of our members are SU Sport , non are AA/ANSW only. What I mentioned was two fronts where some are SU Sport and some are AA/ANSW only.

We are still affiliated with SU Sport. And plan to be but would like to consider alternative options also.

[Archangel]

At Auckland, our club fees are $100 for Seniors, $80 for Juniors. No target fees for members.
Those aren't inclusive of ANZ fees though, are they? That's another $60/$30 respectively.

And to think that people here complain about that $60, clearly it could be much more...

[Keith Gaisford]

Baldivis Archery Club Fees are $183 for seniors which leaves $45 per after AA /ASWA affiliation. We charge a $20.00 joining fee which gives Rule Book and Club shooting shirt. Must be worn at club & events.
$5 weekly shooting which covers 7 days.
Fund raising and Govt/Local Govt Grants cover establishment funds required for the new grounds.
Busy Bees repair targets. Ground maintenance by our Veteran Membership.
Keith Gaisford
Club Secretary

[Marcus]

Dismayed at the number of clubs that have rules that you MUST wear the club shirt while at the club.
Make the uniform attractive and people will wear it, but don't make them wear it
Draconian IMHO.

[DanceswithDingoes]

Shellharbour Bowmen $65 pa for a family (no shoot fees)
plus ABA fee of $120 pa. for a family.

[Pinky]

Well done AV.

Peter, after further investigation I can confirm that AA fees are $69.00 for adult membership, and $39.00 for juniors. You are quite correct.

Again, well done AV at loking at this seriously. But, Zoe, what transport cost could justify the ASWA fee?

Brian

A possible reason for the higher RGB fee in WA could be because we have a state ground. Although Sorrento and Benara clubs run on this ground it is the official state archery venue, so maybe the higher fees go to up keep of the target range and field course out there? $20 a year sounds much more reasonable though.:p

[The One]

Those aren't inclusive of ANZ fees though, are they? That's another $60/$30 respectively.

And to think that people here complain about that $60, clearly it could be much more...

Correct. Personally I'd rather see the national fees go up a bit so ANZ can do more with it.

[Betty-Anne]

Dismayed at the number of clubs that have rules that you MUST wear the club shirt while at the club.
Make the uniform attractive and people will wear it, but don't make them wear it
Draconian IMHO.

At Mount Petrie Bowmen we have the UGLIEST club shirt ever. But at least on club days we can wear that, the SQAS shirt, the AA shirt or white. They don't seem to mind too much so long as we're tidy. Personally I wouldn't be seen dead in the club shirt.

[Marcus]

What's wrong with dressing in what you like? As long as it's decent enough to go to the local shopping centre without getting yourself arrested then wear that.

I remember playing basketball at one place that kept getting pissy with me over my shorts being at knee length and not above the knee. Meanwhile a gogan runs past in stubbie shorts (UGLY) and that was OK. After that season I stopped playing in that league.

I wish people in archery would stop this bull**** of trying to get people to conform to their dress standards.

I DON'T WANT TO DRESS LIKE AN OLD MAN!

[StevenB]

I hear AA is considering beige cardigans as part of the dress regs

[StevenB]

I agree that we have to move away from the current dress codes, and that at your club shoots wear what you want (if you can get into the local bowlo your fine, neat is all it needs to be)

same for tournaments, but if clubs get there act together and make a decent uniform people will wear them

[The One]

As we're situated on council land, the council requires that in the summer archers wear uniform to the club shoot. Unfortunately not much we can do about that...

[Marcus]

As we're situated on council land, the council requires that in the summer archers wear uniform to the club shoot. Unfortunately not much we can do about that...
Sounds like hogwash to me I'm afraid.
NZ is known for it's overly crazy uniform rules.
Who told you this? If they are old then chances are it's just to keep you quiet.

We are on council land and they couldn't give a rats ass about it.

[The One]

Sounds like hogwash to me I'm afraid.
NZ is known for it's overly crazy uniform rules.
Who told you this? If they are old then chances are it's just to keep you quiet.

We are on council land and they couldn't give a rats ass about it.

Not word of mouth I'm afraid, it's in our shooting rules as dictated by our lease agreement with council. Apparently they want us to portray a good image on the park or something like that...

But yes, there are some strict rules over here. Though at the same time, I must say that the rules in Aussie are a tad slack - at the Nationals, it seemed to be a free-for-all, turn up in whatever you like. I'd probably go for something in between personally. (But not whites. Whites have got to go!!!)

[burt666]

But not whites. Whites have got to go!!!

Yeah, as I told you, make bikini shoot compulsory... you have that power... for one more year;)

[Betty-Anne]

I'd like to start my own club just so that I could have a really outrageous uniform that the powers that be would have to let me wear. Like the uniforms the NZ team wore at the WFAC at Hervey Bay. Only not orange :)

[Brocky]

Portray a good image :o and they allow you to shoot there ;)

[Archangel]

I think the arrangement in America is quite sensible, IIRC they have to wear a white shirt but can do as they please otherwise. Makes a lot of sense given how hard it is to find decent white shorts/trackpants.

[Marcus]

Sounds like Flame Archers
http://www.dva.asn.au/gallery/1104_chewton/flame.jpg
http://www.dva.asn.au/gallery/1104_chewton/cw.jpg

[Archangel]

I'd like to start my own club just so that I could have a really outrageous uniform that the powers that be would have to let me wear. Like the uniforms the NZ team wore at the WFAC at Hervey Bay. Only not orange :)
Of course that's our field association rather than Archery NZ - in fact I'm not sure all the Kiwis there were part of an official team.
We of course have much better taste and would not wear orange (it's okay if you're Dutch though :-)).

[Marcus]

Yeah, teal was way cool in the 90's. :lol:

http://www.dva.asn.au/gallery/worlds/Compound/nz.jpg

[Mervwho]

I can still remember getting in deep sh....t for wearing an orange and white tee shirt to the Nationals in Burnie way back in 1972. What a waste, if it is comfortable, wear it.

[Flehrad]

Our club uniform (dark blue, yellow edging on shoulders and collar) looks good, has the university colours and the material is really nice to shoot in, especially summer.

Lots of our guys use it and it is currently not a compulsory item except when competing (as the ANSW regulations say club uniform). But, more people would get them is the feedback, if the cost was cheaper..... But we have lots of people buying our hats.

[Marcus]

I have one of your shirts (thanks Don) and I like shooting i it. Really nice shirt.

[hoyt for life 2]

One austrailian junior thought it looked so nice they stole my one. (or they just wanted something to rember me by). although it is slightly better than wearing whites as you can whipe you hand and blow your nose on these shirts and its harder to see.