Durability and Maintenance

[jamesliu_london]

I have the opportunity to buy a bow again and I want to keep it in good condition.

Do Compounds have a shorter life expexctancy than Recurves? Keeping it strung for so long must affect it's hysteresis.

Do compounds get affected by that as well?

How would

[Jean Lafitte]

You can keep modern limbs strung pretty much forever, whether or not you do that with a recurve is a personal choice.

I figure some of the things on a compound, especially the more complicated rests, would attrition faster, but some recurve rests are overly complex too. The bow itself will outlast you if you don't do anything stupid.

[Ja]

leave the compound string, destring the recurve

[Jean Lafitte]

leave the compound string, destring the recurve

Is there really any reason to unstring a modern recurve except for transportation? I understand the danger of some idiot trying to dryfire or worse, shoot it, but why bother if neither of those is an issue?

[alexvpaq]

it might lose a bit of tension over time...like everything... it's not indestructible...

[Jordan R]

with a compound you should take the cable guard of the slide so that the limbs wont twist. on some of the newer Mathews bows you dont have that option. One of which would be the new Switchback.

[tombutt]

that doesnt matter i havent taken my bows off the cable guard and we have a bow that is around 10 years it fine with no twisted limbs

[Jean Lafitte]

it might lose a bit of tension over time...like everything... it's not indestructible...

I'm not convinced of that. I've left my bow assembled and strung all day (literally sun up to sundown) and practiced without even the slightest changes in sight marks.

[Cartz]

If you want to look after your recurve...dont leave it strung up...if you want to screw it up, leave it strung up 24/7 in a really hot place.

Main point, take down recurve are built for a reason...otherwise they wouldn't be take down would they?

[Archangel]

I'm not convinced of that. I've left my bow assembled and strung all day (literally sun up to sundown) and practiced without even the slightest changes in sight marks.
I think alex meant leaving it strung up for weeks or months, not just a day.

[Jean Lafitte]

If you want to look after your recurve...dont leave it strung up...if you want to screw it up, leave it strung up 24/7 in a really hot place.

Main point, take down recurve are built for a reason...otherwise they wouldn't be take down would they?

Jay Barrs said he would leave his bow strung in a hot car inbetween shooting.

Anyway, takedowns aren't really made to be broken apart every time you're done shooting. It's more because:

1) You can't really make a single piece bow with a metal riser and carbon limbs.
2) It's cheaper, since you only have to replace one half of the bow when it becomes old or breaks.
3) There's no better way to adjust tiller.

I think alex meant leaving it strung up for weeks or months, not just a day.

Compounds are permanently strung, and they're made out of the exact same materials as a recurve. What's the difference?

[Cartz]

Jay Barrs said he would leave his bow strung in a hot car inbetween shooting.

Anyway, takedowns aren't really made to be broken apart every time you're done shooting. It's more because:

1) You can't really make a single piece bow with a metal riser and carbon limbs.
2) It's cheaper, since you only have to replace one half of the bow when it becomes old or breaks.
3) There's no better way to adjust tiller.



Compounds are permanently strung, and they're made out of the exact same materials as a recurve. What's the difference?


No worries mate, you keep up the good stuff and get back to me when you crack the 1300 ;)

[Jean Lafitte]

I take apart my recurve and store it in the case mostly due to space, and because i don't want scratches on my Helix. Whether or not I can shoot 1300 is irrelevant, because it has nothing to do with whether or not a modern recurve can be left strung.

[benhohnke]

I have samick talon and they are made of completly different materials to compounds apart from a few recurves.

[Jean Lafitte]

I have samick talon and they are made of completly different materials to compounds apart from a few recurves.

Talon =/ modern olympic bows.

Cartz, I really don't mean to be a rep whore, but maybe before negging for "ill advice" you should let someone who actually knows the answer to chime in on whether or not an Olympic bow can be left strung.


What I'm saying is, unless your name is George Tekmitchov, shut your goddamn mouth.

[dbjac]

Your name isn't George Tekmitchov, and you seem to be giving out a lot of advice.

[Jean Lafitte]

There's a difference. What I'm saying is "I don't see why you have to destring a recurve, I'm not convinced it will damage the bow to leave it strung."

What Cartz is saying is, "Jean Lafitte is a dork and if you leave your recurve strung all your sperm will die."

So, can anyone explain to me why modern recurve bows, which are made out of the exact same materials in basically the same way as compound bows, cannot be permanently strung due to the potential for damage? For the record, I agree that you shouldn't leave a strung bow in a hot car, but I don't think you should leave an unstrung bow in a hot car either, and that's not the point anyway.

[dbjac]

Well, my understanding was that the carbon limbs retain their shape far better than the old wooden limbs that use to be used.
The destringing thing goes back to when wood limbs would reset their 'memory' and adopt the curve of a strung bow- reducing the poundage of the limbs. (could be completely wrong with ALL of this. :lol:)

Having said that, when ever i could, i would most certainly destring a recurve when ever i could, i mean, why risk it. Which is what i think Cartz is trying to say.

[benhohnke]

a talon is a hunting bow i doubt the use them in the olympics:???:

[Jean Lafitte]

Well, my understanding was that the carbon limbs retain their shape far better than the old wooden limbs that use to be used.
The destringing thing goes back to when wood limbs would reset their 'memory' and adopt the curve of a strung bow- reducing the poundage of the limbs. (could be completely wrong with ALL of this. :lol:)

Yeah, I destring my longbows and older recurves whenever I'm not shooting them. But I leave my olympic strung until it's not longer convenient. We leave them strung for entire days during competition, they seem to do just fine.

a talon is a hunting bow i doubt the use them in the olympics

benhohnke =/ ASCII adept.

██▀██　 ▇▆▆▆▆▆▆▆　　　　 　▆▆▆▆▆▇▇ :█▃　
█ :▒　▉: 　◤▀█▀█▀▆░░　　　 █▀█▀█▀◥: ▒▌ :▌
▌ ◤◥▄▊:: 　 　███　 ░▒░　　▐▓　 ██:　 　▓▌░▌　
▌▒▌:::▉░:　▀▀▀▀▀░▒▒░: :: ▐▓▒▀▀▀▀ ::▓▌:░
▉▒▌:█░::　 　 　 　 ::░▒░::: : ▐▓▒: 　:░▒▒▓▌░▌　
█ ▒◥　▒　　　 　 　 .:.:.::░::: 　 ▐▒░::　　:▒▒▓▌:::▌　
█▅　　░:　　　　　..:.:::::░░▅▃▅▒▒::　 ::░▒▒█◤　
██▅█░　　　　.:.::::::::::::　▀▓◤▀▒▒:::░▒▒▒▌

[Cartz]

Ok, Jean, just chill, dbjac has hit it on the head, risk is the main factor, with archery equipment at the cost it is, i want my satisfaction of my product to last as long as possible. Having something strung up permanently changes it's memory, no matter what the material is (some are just more than others). Having heat's effect on it only worsens the situation, maybe Jay Barrs did it, good for him, but he more than likely got all his gear free. I'm no millionaire, you might be, but im not disputing that fact. Why invest lots of money to get low satisfaction?

Wooden composite bows are even worse. However, regardless, carbon and fibreglass still has this same effect when put under these stresses, just over longer periods of time. Maybe you can string up your bow and it may have 'little' effect on your sights, but that doesn't mean that everyone is like you. Also, you have the right to voice that opinion on here, im not disputing that either, i merely disapprove/disagree what you are saying, don't take it harshly. Welcome to the forum ;)

Consider the thickness of compound limbs and also the amount that it bends. They can afford to be strung up over time. The string stretches though and must be replaced. In regards to the 1300 comment, you will find that most competent shooters (recurve) take their bows down once finished shooting or for lengthened periods when they aren't shooting. Maybe you should be asking why they do this? Keeping the quality of your equipment up to standard is as important as having decent form.

If you wish to dispute my thoughts of your posts any further, feel free to send me as many PM's as you wish, or...come to Brisbane :p Just keep it off the forum and keep it clean mate.

[benhohnke]

I have no idea what that last bit is about jean?

[Jean Lafitte]

Wooden composite bows are even worse. However, regardless, carbon and fibreglass still has this same effect when put under these stresses, just over longer periods of time. Maybe you can string up your bow and it may have 'little' effect on your sights, but that doesn't mean that everyone is like you. Also, you have the right to voice that opinion on here, im not disputing that either, i merely disapprove/disagree what you are saying, don't take it harshly. Welcome to the forum ;)

In that case I agree, it's just weird to say "You're wrong, fatty" when we're both making assumptions.

I have no idea what that last bit is about jean?

=/ means "not equal to"

[benhohnke]

what does this mean
ASCII adept.

██▀██　 ▇▆▆▆▆▆▆▆　　　　 　▆▆▆▆▆▇▇ :█▃　
█ :▒　▉: 　◤▀█▀█▀▆░░　　　 █▀█▀█▀◥: ▒▌ :▌
▌ ◤◥▄▊:: 　 　███　 ░▒░　　▐▓　 ██:　 　▓▌░▌　
▌▒▌:::▉░:　▀▀▀▀▀░▒▒░: :: ▐▓▒▀▀▀▀ ::▓▌:░
▉▒▌:█░::　 　 　 　 ::░▒░::: : ▐▓▒: 　:░▒▒▓▌░▌　
█ ▒◥　▒　　　 　 　 .:.:.::░::: 　 ▐▒░::　　:▒▒▓▌:::▌　
█▅　　░:　　　　　..:.:::::░░▅▃▅▒▒::　 ::░▒▒█◤　
██▅█░　　　　.:.::::::::::::　▀▓◤▀▒▒:::░▒▒▒▌

[Jean Lafitte]

ASCII is a secret code used by computer nerds to communicate messages without the football players getting in on it.

The face? That's the signal for Cartz to snap your neck to protect our secrets.

[benhohnke]

seriously i hate football it is a bunch of grown men fighting over a leather filled sack.

[Cartz]

The face? That's the signal for Cartz to snap your neck to protect our secrets.

w...t...f?

[dbjac]

:confused: :silly:

[Liam]

:confused: :silly:
:silly:

[Jean Lafitte]

█████████░░░█████████
█▓▓▓▓▓▓▓█░░░█▓▓▓▓▓▓▓█
░██▓▓▓▓▓█░░░█▓▓▓▓▓██░
░░░██▓▓▓░█░█░▓▓▓██░░░
░░░░█▓▓░░░█░░░░▓█░░░░
░░░░░█░░▓▓▓▓▓░░█░░░░░
░░███░█▓▓▓▓▓▓▓█░███░░
░█▓▓▓██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██▓▓▓█░
░█▓▓▓██░░░░░░░██▓▓▓█░
░█▓▓███░░░░░░░███▓▓█░
░█▓▓▓░█░░░░░░░█░▓▓▓█░
░░█▓▓░░░░█████░░▓▓█░░
░░█▓░░░░█▒▒▒▒▒█░░▓█░░
░░░██░░█▓▒████▒███░░░
░░░░░██▓▒▒░░░▒░▒█░░░░
░░░░░░█▓▒░░██▒█░█░░░░
░░░░░█░▓▒░░██▒█░█░░░░
░░░░░█░▓▓▒░░░▓▓░█░░░░
░░░░░█░▓▓▓▓▓▓██▓█░░░░
░░░░░░█▓▓▓▓▓█░░▓█░░░░
░░░░░░█▓▓▓▓▓████░░░░░
░░░░░░░█▓▓▓█░░█░░░░░░
░░░░░░░░███░░█░░░░░░░
░░░░░░░░░░███░░░░░░░░
░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░

you know what to do

[Liam]

█████████░░░█████████
█▓▓▓▓▓▓▓█░░░█▓▓▓▓▓▓▓█
░██▓▓▓▓▓█░░░█▓▓▓▓▓██░
░░░██▓▓▓░█░█░▓▓▓██░░░
░░░░█▓▓░░░█░░░░▓█░░░░
░░░░░█░░▓▓▓▓▓░░█░░░░░
░░███░█▓▓▓▓▓▓▓█░███░░
░█▓▓▓██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██▓▓▓█░
░█▓▓▓██░░░░░░░██▓▓▓█░
░█▓▓███░░░░░░░███▓▓█░
░█▓▓▓░█░░░░░░░█░▓▓▓█░
░░█▓▓░░░░█████░░▓▓█░░
░░█▓░░░░█▒▒▒▒▒█░░▓█░░
░░░██░░█▓▒████▒███░░░
░░░░░██▓▒▒░░░▒░▒█░░░░
░░░░░░█▓▒░░██▒█░█░░░░
░░░░░█░▓▒░░██▒█░█░░░░
░░░░░█░▓▓▒░░░▓▓░█░░░░
░░░░░█░▓▓▓▓▓▓██▓█░░░░
░░░░░░█▓▓▓▓▓█░░▓█░░░░
░░░░░░█▓▓▓▓▓████░░░░░
░░░░░░░█▓▓▓█░░█░░░░░░
░░░░░░░░███░░█░░░░░░░
░░░░░░░░░░███░░░░░░░░
░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░

you know what to do

...? :confused:

[Jean Lafitte]

Being fifteen isn't an excuse to not recognize Megaman.

what was this topic about again?

[archerybob]

Being fifteen isn't an excuse to not recognize Megaman.

what was this topic about again?

i believe it is about your STUPID idea of leaving a bow strung up. and the answer is..........DONT. i have been lucky enough to see a few good shots in my day and NONE have ever said leave it strung. when you pay alot you look after it. simple enough

[Progen]

This issue had been brought up in Sagittarius a few times. General opinion, some backed by sightmarks and chronograph readings, are that it's ok to leave a target recurve / Olympic style recurve strung up full time. Some folks have left theirs strung up for years. I leave mine strung up all the time and it gets taken down for a while perhaps 15 - 20 times a year for string changes / twisting. No loss of sightmarks either.

I'd think that not leaving a recurve strung up is something carried over from the days of the all wood bows. That definitely made sense then.

ps. Jean, that second picture sure looked like a hand with the index and second finger up. :D

[dbjac]

If you do that with anything other than a complete carbon/fibreglass composition you WILL have problems.

[Progen]

I should think that the foam cored carbon limbs are safe to leave strung up. Another reasoning is that any flaws with the manufacturing would show up as it's in storage, all strung up, rather than at a shoot and in your face. :)

Theoretically speaking the wood cored fibreglass limbs should take a set if left strung up all the time but I haven't noticed any changes with my previous Samick Universals even after a few months. Still tough as hell on the draw. :mad:

[Cartz]

I should think that the foam cored carbon limbs are safe to leave strung up. Another reasoning is that any flaws with the manufacturing would show up as it's in storage, all strung up, rather than at a shoot and in your face. :)


Unless, leaving it strung up causes a fault that may be seen as a manufacturing flaw, how would you know otherwise? You would therefore be more likely to see it at full draw when the limbs are fully stressed. Hence leaving it strung up might only complicate the problem further by creating problems that aren't easier identifiable. It is for this reason that companies state specifically to de-string the bow to AVOID such problems of identification. If you were to go and complain that your limbs broke at full draw and you got half a limb stuck into your face (it could happen), you will more than likely get turned down due to not following SPECIFIC instructions by the manufacturer to NOT leave your bow strung up.

Now, i know that you are literate, tell me, why can you not follow simple instructions to help you, in the case of a particular scenario? I'm not here to tell you not to do something or try to persuade you to change what your doing. Just to prove that someone who can't de-string their bow for the pure respect for your own gear and your own self in the case of something going wrong....is just plain LAZY!

I leave mine strung up all the time and it gets taken down for a while perhaps 15 - 20 times a year for string changes / twisting.

Next time you sell limbs on here, i'll remember the treatment they go under, and won't be troubled by voicing my opinions in the form of quoting...yourself...

[Progen]

Cartzie boy, you amaze me by the strong opinions you have on leaving one's bow strung up. I used to think it'd matter but after going through quite a lot of posts on this topic as well as personal experience, I beg to differ now.

http://sagittarius.student.utwente.nl/bb/viewtopic.php?p=14785&highlight=stringing#14785

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=376139

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=364696

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=268358

Try to be more open minded to reason. ;)

ps. I have been totally honest in all my online transactions and if I were asked as to whether limbs I'm selling have been left strung up, I wouldn't say otherwise. ;) ;)

[Liam]

Being fifteen isn't an excuse to not recognize Megaman.

what was this topic about again?

I am hanging my head in shame, I have played many a megaman gameboy/snes game in my Day.

[Cartz]

Cartzie boy, you amaze me by the strong opinions you have on leaving one's bow strung up. I used to think it'd matter but after going through quite a lot of posts on this topic as well as personal experience, I beg to differ now.

http://sagittarius.student.utwente.nl/bb/viewtopic.php?p=14785&highlight=stringing#14785

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=376139

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=364696

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=268358

Try to be more open minded to reason. ;)

ps. I have been totally honest in all my online transactions and if I were asked as to whether limbs I'm selling have been left strung up, I wouldn't say otherwise. ;) ;)

Yes yes, very persuading evidence, from VERY influential people...nice job.

Never implied you were dishonest.

Always open minded to reason.

Never call me by Cartzie boy again...