Basic Sights

[Flex]

Anybody had any experience with the Toxonic 1400 basic sight?

[StevenB]

a couple of the archers at my club have used them compounders/recurvers juniors/seniors, they aren't a bad sight from my inspection just a lack of a vertical micro adjust lets them down.


I would prefer vertical micro adjust and sacrifice windage micro adjust.

[Flex]

thanks Steve,

I figered till I get abit better 1 will be ok.By the time its not good enough
I will have more $$$$ HOPEFULLY..

[StevenB]

what sort of bow are you shooting?

for a first sight it isn't bad. my first sight was a Check-it 9000, there not bad either, reasonably priced but big, heavy and butt ugly :P

[Flex]

Glad to hear!

I don't have the bow yet.Hopefully will get one saturday at the club.
Going to try a couple out.

[frommy]

Flex,

Personally I hate the double adjustment mechanism of the low level Toxonics sights, having put up with one for a few years until I discovered Chek-It. I believe that Chek-it is no longer manufactured.

I appreciate that you are at entry level to our sport, and have not yet posted a reply to Steve re bow type.

You must appreciate that sights are, in the most, transferable between most bows on the market, and if you make a good quality purchase now it can move with you to different bows you may buy in the future. My Chek-It has been on everything from a 20 y.o. Hoyt, to 2 15 y.o. Brownings, to a 10 y.o. Browning to a new Merlin Max.

It may be worth considering the extra cost of a more expensive sight that can move "up-the-line" with you, and also have a better potential resale value down the track.

If I were to buy a new sight at the moment, I think the Bernadini would be my choice.

Brian

[Shirt]

If it's going cheap, grab it. So long as you tighten them up good and proper, they're fine.

But don't anticipate sight marks that are wholly reliable.

[Stash]

I use a Tox 1400 on my 3-D bow. I have a couple of Sure-Locs on my target bows, but couldn't see the point of spending all that money for a another sight that doesn't need all the features.

For one shot at a time, you don't need to make micro-adjustments to elevation. Fewer moving parts. less to go wrong or vibrate loose.

I did have some fiddling to do to get it just right for my purposes, though.

Since there's no offset bracket, I did have to put something under the sight mount to move it out far enough left so the scope is in line. No 3rd axis adjustment, but I use a level on the bow itself, so that's not an issue either. Also, I found that a wing nut on the end of the scope rod adds to the security of locking down the windage adjustment.

Otherwise it does the job, and for less than 1/4 the price.

[Zoe]

I agree with frommy, you'll save money in the long-run with a proper sight. I've had two Tox 1400's, both times the scope housing/windage mechanism failed. I'd be suprised if you could get one to last in full working order longer than 12 months.

[James Park]

There is little that is more frustrating than having a sight that misbehaves. For example, one of the sights I owned some years ago periodically jumped one thread on its vertical axis. This was generally not noticable until I had two or three high (or low) arrows in the target and had given away points that I deserved to have.
I agree with Zoe, that it is best not to try to economise on sights - in the long run you will either give up or spend the money anyway. Hence, invest in a good quality top-level Sureloc or Toxonics. In recent years I have used only those top level sights and they work well and reliably.
Were the topic launchers, I would make exactly the same comments: buy the best one, not a cheapy. I am now only using Golden Premier, and have no problems with them. I have seen many archers lose (many) points through using cheap launchers.
One nice feature of buying good quality sights and launchers is that you can move them from bow to bow - my current launcher (purchased in 1993) has now been used on: Hoyt Super Slam, Hoyt Super Star, PSE Mach 5, PSE Mach 9.5, PSE Thunderbolt, and PSE Quantum, and is still working perfectly. (I have a second one on my Primos).

[James Park]

A further comment: If I had to economise, I would buy a cheaper bow.
I managed to set a World Top-Ten score at 50M with a $700 bow, but it had an expensive launcher and expensive sight, and I was using the most expensive arrows - in fact, my arrows cost more than the bow, and the launcher plus sight cost more than the bow. Also used the same gear for 712 for two FITA Field rounds. The gear was: PSE Thunderbolt + SureLoc Supreme sight + Golden Premier launcher + X10's. If that was still too expensive, I would go to yet again a cheaper bow.

[StevenB]

I agree with Zoe, that it is best not to try to economise on sights - in the long run you will either give up or spend the money anyway. Hence, invest in a good quality top-level Sureloc or Toxonics. In recent years I have used only those top level sights and they work well and reliably.


there are some high quality sights available that wouldn't be considered as top level sights

eg on my recurve I use a Spigarelli Grand Prix II (cost $200) with a beiter sight tunnel. Only ever had one problem with the sight ,some fool sat on it and bent the extension.

at our club one member is using one of the cartel activa sights (sure-loc rip off) he has had no problems with this sight on his compound.

skip entry level sights

get a good sight, just remember it doesn't have to be top of the line

[Marcus]

I'll agree with that one, I shot the same rest and sight over about 6 bows and only upgraded them both as they wouldn't fit on my UltraTec. Pay the money for a good sight now and it will last you 10 years. Plus they hold their value well. Also don't buy a sight that is modified by the owner.

Unless we are talking the top of the line I wouldn't touch a Toxonics if they gave me one! Too heavy and too prone to issues.

Anyone have thoughts on the Sure Loc Challenger?

[StevenB]

I am shooting with a sureloc challenger on my deviator. They are a good sight not alot of difference from the top sureloc. Light and sturdy, the big difference is the way you make large/quick vertical adjustments, and not as nice but the sight is worth the money

[Flex]

I see I see :)

I have already got the 1400 not too worried about the $99 it cost if it lasts
me a year I will be happy enough.By then I would have seen enough of whats around to make an educated assesment of what to replace it with.

As long as I can mount a titan scope on it !! I CAN CAN'T i????

[Marcus]

As long as it's a 10/32 thread on the 1400 the Titan will work.

[Flex]

seems they are 10/32 threads phew:)