Opposite Eye Open or Closed ? [Archive] - Archery Forum

StuNVA

23-11-2006, 06:59 PM

I've just been trying to shoot with both eyes open, shooting pins. It didnt make any difference to my pin setting, up down or left to right, but it seemed to make the pin smaller which I think helped me hold the pin on the target better, my groups certainly didnt suffer right out to 40m.

I would like to know the pro's and con's to this and if it's something I should adopt for shooting all the time.

Stu

Jay.G

23-11-2006, 07:15 PM

one thing with one-eye closed shooting is that I found that it'll make me tense in my neck/head and its just another factor to divert your focus.

apexrob

23-11-2006, 07:19 PM

Being left eye dominent and right-handed I used to close the left eye as a junior, I had alot of success shooting like this. These days I shoot both eyes open, allows me to concentrate on aiming more, relaxes the face too.

Jay.G

23-11-2006, 07:21 PM

Yea I the main point is you won't be as relaxed as when you use both eyes.

StuNVA

23-11-2006, 07:59 PM

I noticed I get a little "unfocused", but if I just relaxed and let the shot go it would go in the dot. Is there an exercise that will help eleviate this feeling or will it just become secondary with more practice.

archerybob

23-11-2006, 08:01 PM

open all the way both compound and curve

Jean Lafitte

23-11-2006, 08:06 PM

Both eyes open. Used to see two apertures and just made sure to use the correct one (don't remember which one that was), now I only see one aperture. No clue.

Liam

23-11-2006, 08:41 PM

I tried to open both eyes once. I hit WAAAAYYYYY left at 20m on a big face... haven't tried since...

ninevalleys

23-11-2006, 09:00 PM

one eye closed, jsut habit now...

Brocky

24-11-2006, 06:32 PM

I tried to open both eyes once. I hit WAAAAYYYYY left at 20m on a big face... haven't tried since...
Look through the sight not at the sight

Cartz

24-11-2006, 06:42 PM

both open always...regardless of compound or recurve

Progen

24-11-2006, 08:57 PM

Try giving both eyes a rub first to relax them before shooting. Serious! It works. :D

Eberbachl

24-11-2006, 09:31 PM

...both eyes open.

Progen

24-11-2006, 09:35 PM

Actually, this can be a rather gray area as some people have the ability to close their eyes independantly with hardly any effort at all so the argument about closing one eye placing tension on the face falls flat there. I have this lady friend who can do that. Rather uncanny though when you're used to seeing folks having to raise their cheeks and this lady can just move the lids on their own. :eek:

andrewf87

24-11-2006, 11:51 PM

I normally try to have both eyes open.

Jean Lafitte

24-11-2006, 11:56 PM

I normally try to have both eyes open.

do you forget?

Archangel

25-11-2006, 07:24 AM

Open.

Hannah

25-11-2006, 07:41 AM

Apparently it is better to shoot with both eyes open (or at least half open), but I haven't mastered it yet...

Archangel

25-11-2006, 07:50 AM

one thing with one-eye closed shooting is that I found that it'll make me tense in my neck/head and its just another factor to divert your focus.
Yea I the main point is you won't be as relaxed as when you use both eyes.
Your logic does not resemble Earth logic.

Jay.G

25-11-2006, 02:01 PM

:silly: Must be getting tired these days. :rofl: well I meant 'you are more relaxed'

Progen

25-11-2006, 03:19 PM

Apparently it is better to shoot with both eyes open (or at least half open), but I haven't mastered it yet...

Regardless of eye dominance and discipline (compound or recurve), it's possible to learn to shoot with both eyes open. Just that if you're going against your dominant eye, you need to concentrate and relax at the same time. :D Once something distracts you, your dominant eye automatically takes over. That's why primal should be kept out of sight during shooting.

keno88

25-11-2006, 04:26 PM

one eye open for me when shooting

a habit as well...

iPWNn00bs

30-11-2006, 10:26 AM

open all the way both compound and curve

Eyes wide shut.

dilligaf

30-11-2006, 03:49 PM

I have tried to open both eyes but all i get is double vision and can't focus. It's very much habbit after 20+ years.

Demandred

30-11-2006, 05:31 PM

i shoot both eyes open

crosshairs

14-12-2006, 02:16 AM

I'm a left dominant eye with a right handed bow. Eyes open.

Right handed bow, see 2 images, go for the left sight.
Left handed bow, vice versa.

Once position is aligned with the target, no confusion over which target image to use should occur.

Compound bows usually have peep sights and scope so......you know~

crosshairs

14-12-2006, 02:17 AM

FYI.......I've yet to come across a 1200 archer closing one eye.

crosshairs

14-12-2006, 02:28 AM

Look through the sight not at the sight

He did, that's why he saw 2 sights.

And he is presumably a right handed bow archer.

Jean Lafitte

14-12-2006, 09:33 AM

FYI.......I've yet to come across a 1200 archer closing one eye.

Don Rabska used to be one eye closed, but if he continues to? Janet Dykman also to close one.

Archangel

14-12-2006, 09:58 AM

FYI.......I've yet to come across a 1200 archer closing one eye.
I'm pretty sure I shot a 1200 when I was quite young with one eye shut.
It wasn't a men's FITA though....

mbu

14-12-2006, 10:18 AM

FYI.......I've yet to come across a 1200 archer closing one eye.

Her left eye appears to be closed

Progen

14-12-2006, 10:28 AM

Crosshairs is not supposed to be taken seriously. ;)

Brocky

14-12-2006, 07:49 PM

I'm pretty sure I shot a 1200 when I was quite young with one eye shut.
It wasn't a men's FITA though....
Ah that answers it then you opened the other one ;)

crosshairs

15-12-2006, 12:17 AM

Don Rabska used to be one eye closed, but if he continues to? Janet Dykman also to close one.

I did not come across them using one eye, I never said that they don't exist. It's just saying they are not common, rare.

crosshairs

15-12-2006, 12:18 AM

Crosshairs is not supposed to be taken seriously. ;)

And take you seriously?

Progen

15-12-2006, 12:39 AM

And take you seriously?

Better me than you, dude. ;)

reversehaven

15-12-2006, 01:29 AM

Crosshairs is not supposed to be taken seriously. ;)

progen you ain't meant to be taken seriously! you're the neg rep meanie!

more neg rep coming your way :D

oh crosshairs? don't worry about them. the counterstrike pros don't use them anyway. :D

hmm.. i'm wondering if M-16 users use them?:confused:

reversehaven

15-12-2006, 01:39 AM

Apparently it is better to shoot with both eyes open (or at least half open), but I haven't mastered it yet...

huh? which have you not mastered? half opened eye shooting or half-shut eye shooting? :confused:

Sten

15-12-2006, 10:34 PM

Shooting both eyes open confuses my little brain. :lol: Always shot with one eye kinda half-closed, enough to block out vision of the sight through that eye.

crosshairs

18-12-2006, 03:22 AM

Better me than you, dude. ;)

Let them decide after trying out the 2 very different methods.

Purple Hats

18-12-2006, 10:43 PM

I've always shot with one eye closed and it seems to be working well for me.

ubbrd

18-12-2006, 11:38 PM

G'day. I'm left eye dominat but shoot right handed with my with my left eye closed. I'm naturally left handed but can't draw a bow left handed due to bad shoulders from my rugby League playing days. I tried with both eyes open but felt uncomfortable.
I've been told that if I persist & try to shoot with both eyes open eventually my right eye will become dominant. I don't know if this is true, maybe someone else knows.

Progen

18-12-2006, 11:47 PM

Not exactly true but what will happen is that as time goes by, you will find it easier to let your right eye take dominance. However, a distraction could cause you to revert to your natural dominant eye.

crosshairs

19-12-2006, 05:45 AM

Brocky

19-12-2006, 04:45 PM

Not exactly true but what will happen is that as time goes by, you will find it easier to let your right eye take dominance.
Um so his right eye will become more dominate Um :rolleyes: :silly:

Progen

19-12-2006, 06:07 PM

Um so his right eye will become more dominate Um :rolleyes: :silly:

Only when he's concentrating on something, like shooting, dude. Read beyond the square, remember? ;)

coach

19-12-2006, 06:08 PM

It took me about a week of practising with both eyes open . I found I could really bore that pin into the middle ,, sort of like staring it into the spot . May just be a mind thing , but for me it made my shooting much better :thumb:

Rachel Coghlan

19-12-2006, 07:29 PM

My coach never told me to open both my eyes when he was teaching me how to shoot, and I'm a left eyed compounder. Then again he shoots a Men's Fita 1380 plus and he only opens one eye too.

Go with what works for you!!!

yify

19-12-2006, 07:48 PM

I always shoot with both eyes open

tombutt

19-12-2006, 08:26 PM

ive always shot one eye open. i cant focus with 2 eyes open

crosshairs

20-12-2006, 03:39 AM

Does anyone shoot with a third eye?

Progen

20-12-2006, 10:06 AM

Does anyone shoot with a third eye?

I'm sure you do. Isn't that the eye you use to see the curvature of the earth's plane? :silly:

puddin

20-12-2006, 11:17 AM

both eyes open. always. tried closing one years ago but it wasnt to good.

TrevorK

20-12-2006, 04:00 PM

When I shot rifles, one eye and now I shoot recurve both eyes open right from the start.

Brocky

20-12-2006, 05:34 PM

Only when he's concentrating on something, like shooting, dude. Read beyond the square, remember? ;)
Um in your 1st post you state that if distracted from his/her shooting the the natural dominent eye will take over. Then you state only when concentrating on their shooting will this occur. If an archer is focused on their archery/shooting the archer will not be distracted :confused:.

coach

20-12-2006, 05:41 PM

BROCKY said Um in your 1st post you state that if distracted from his/her shooting the the natural dominent eye will take over. Then you state only when concentrating on their shooting will this occur. If an archer is focused on their archery/shooting the archer will not be distracted ?? How picky is that crap ??? You can be distracted by anything, doing anything ,, just like we all get distracted when you enter a thread and type rubbish !!!!!:fist:

Progen

20-12-2006, 06:20 PM

wareagle

20-12-2006, 07:32 PM

Does anyone shoot with a third eye?
I might give that a go.:D

crosshairs

21-12-2006, 01:41 AM

I might give that a go.:D

I look forward to the interesting results.....eagerly. :)

Brocky

21-12-2006, 05:57 PM

Still in the square I see. :rolleyes:
Yes what was expected, speaking out your arse unable to give an answer.

Brocky

21-12-2006, 06:00 PM

BROCKY said How picky is that crap ??? You can be distracted by anything, doing anything ,, just like we all get distracted when you enter a thread and type rubbish !!!!!:fist:
Yes you can tell the difference between the ones who can hit the centre if they want and the one who think they can but cant.

Progen

21-12-2006, 06:14 PM

Um in your 1st post you state that if distracted from his/her shooting the the natural dominent eye will take over. Then you state only when concentrating on their shooting will this occur. If an archer is focused on their archery/shooting the archer will not be distracted :confused:.

Read your own post again, buddy. You've actually repeated my stand in it. ;)

1. Concentrate on shooting, non dominant eye can become the dominant one.

2. Something distracts you while you're concentrating on your shooting, dominant eye takes over. Natural reaction.

3. If an archer is focused on their archery / shooting, will NOT be distracted? Maybe only you. You seem to be pretty focused on being a twat. :D

Brocky

21-12-2006, 10:20 PM

If you are concentrating on your shooting Nothing with distract you. Its obscene that you have read Ki Siks book as stated by yourself in the past on more then what seams to be more then 200 occasion on this forum & have not takin in the concept of this area of your archery. Some advice READ IT AGAIN. The section on focus may help understand what concertrating on your shooting is all about:thumb: .

crosshairs

22-12-2006, 03:12 AM

Progen

22-12-2006, 05:09 AM

Brocky, just leave him be. He seems pretty sure of himself, it will be cruel of you to make him doubt his own words.

Say, anyone tried Progen's method yet?

My method sure doesn't include calculation of the planet's curvature. :fist: You sorted out that part yet?

Anyway, Brocky, I'm pretty sure you are one of the world's top archers who can focus completely without being distracted. Strange how I've never seen a bird on the shooting line anywhere. ;)

Bia

22-12-2006, 05:29 AM

First, I couldn

Progen

22-12-2006, 10:26 AM

Worst case of screwing up the face to close one eye I've seen is one of the archers from the Ukranian team in the 2004 Olympics. :rofl:

Walkman

29-12-2006, 07:28 AM

I'm late to this party (which isn't very unual)...

I'm fairly new to the sport. I also am rh-right eye dominant. My left eye, however has some "laziness" problems, and most of the time it's pretty much not working. In fact, I can tell when it kicks in because I will start seeing double. This happens when particularly often when I look at one thing for a longer time, like aiiming. I started closing my left eye 'cause it was driving me crazy.

So the question is, with the consensus being both-eyes-open shooting is better, am I going to have a harder time reaching my potential with the bum eye? Or will it not make a difference as I'm just starting and can train to overcome it?

29-12-2006, 12:46 PM

FYI.......I've yet to come across a 1200 archer closing one eye.

Utterly untrue. There are literally thousands of recurve shooters at the 1200+ level and scores of them at the 1300+ level who close one eye.

It is a fact that closing one eye reduces visual acuity by a significant percentage. In recurve archery, however, aiming is a secondary or tertiary consideration compared to execution.

If one method or the other interferes with execution it is harmful to performance.

With that said, there are dozens of studies dating to the 1970's which consistently indicate that keeping both eyes open in people with normal vision tends to promote greater relaxation through execution.

This happens to be true for many different shooting sports, which is why you find occluders used over the non-dominant eye in many firearms shooting disciplines such as bullseye pistol and high-power rifle, which don't depend on fast target acquisition or depth perception. Use of the occluder allows the shooter to keep both eyes open naturally, with no problems with dominance switching (which is often due to fatigue).

There's an excellent article on this very subject in the January 07 issue of Archery Japan which shows the wide variety of eye "styles" among the very best shooters. (Unfortunately of course, it's in Japanese.)

Marcus

29-12-2006, 02:09 PM

Petra Ericcson
1316 FITA
http://www.hoyt.com/pro-staff/staff_images-new/64-1-lg.jpg

James Hirth

29-12-2006, 03:09 PM

Shooting both eyes open confuses my little brain. :lol: Always shot with one eye kinda half-closed, enough to block out vision of the sight through that eye.
yea i do the same as Sten if i shoot with both eyes open i get a little confused but if i have my left eye half closed i find it easy to aim and i can still see if anyone is walking around behind me.

crosshairs

31-12-2006, 04:08 AM

Utterly untrue. There are literally thousands of recurve shooters at the 1200+ level and scores of them at the 1300+ level who close one eye.

gt......utterly true. I......have yet come across any. I didn't say there were none.

The only 2 1200+ archers I know in Singapore open both eyes. No! not one eye each, ALL 4 eyes!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

crosshairs

31-12-2006, 04:57 AM

Petra Ericcson
1316 FITA
http://www.hoyt.com/pro-staff/staff_images-new/64-1-lg.jpg

Someone find out who did that to her left eye!!

Progen

31-12-2006, 06:51 AM

gt......utterly true. I......have yet come across any. I didn't say there were none.

The only 2 1200+ archers I know in Singapore open both eyes. No! not one eye each, ALL 4 eyes!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That's because NONE of you are world class standard LAH. Admit it. Even we sods across the Causeway have achieved gold and silver in the recent Asean games. Get used to it. You're applying your LIMITED exposure and knowledge plus a whole bunch of crap to a sport which the whole world has passed you by in achivements? Amazing. :confused: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Try not to mention the island next time when you want to come up with your own curvatureoftheplanet's theories and maybe we will allow you to bring your equipment through our Customs without giving you a hard time. :thumb:

crosshairs

31-12-2006, 10:10 PM

You must be of world class standard then, and have achieved some remarkable results. You have all the right to flaunt your talent here.

Progen

01-01-2007, 05:05 PM

You must be of world class standard then, and have achieved some remarkable results. You have all the right to flaunt your talent here.

Well, I guess I'm alright as long as I don't worry about how round the planet is and what my front rod is doing AFTER the arrow has left the bow.

It's a new year now. Go shoot some more. I'll be doing the same. ;)

crosshairs

01-01-2007, 06:22 PM

Well, I guess I'm alright as long as I don't worry about how round the planet is and what my front rod is doing AFTER the arrow has left the bow.

Whatever the front rod is doing tells you something about what goes into your arrow BEFORE it left YOUR bow. Didn't you know that?

reversehaven

02-01-2007, 12:54 AM

Whatever the front rod is doing tells you something about what goes into your arrow BEFORE it left YOUR bow. Didn't you know that?

crosshairs, please stop embarrassing us here. the sods accross the causeway are having lots of fun laughing at how the majority of our archers think already.

not only those sods. those sods who pwned us in the ASEAN games are laughing too.

and the sods who designed the best arrows in the world...

as well as some of the sods who were in the olympics.

don't say i didn't warn you but you have absolutely no idea who are some of the people you're ridiculing here.

crosshairs

02-01-2007, 04:09 AM

1) I'm here to listen to and talk about Archery, and to talk about it objectively, as how I see it. Just as you and so many others here talk about archery as how you see it. I speak for myself here. You can speak for yourself. If you feel embarrassed, you can leave, or you can neg rep me like you so often take the trouble to. I won't stop you. I can't.

2) Whatever issues you have with your neighbours over the causeway, I was not aware of it, I'm not bothered by it, I have plenty of friends and relatives across the causeway and we do not see our different nationalities as an issue, so please keep your cross-border issues to yourself(ves). Thank you.

3)I ridicule no one. I'm sorry if you felt the ridicule on anyone's behalf.

4) Those "Olympic" archers you were refering to......I don't know who they are. Next time please provide some names. The way you speak of these people, you do know them quite well, don't you?