Archery Victoria Uniform

[dbjac]

Moorabbin Archery Club has put a motion for a full AV uniform.
We seek approval from AV for a full sponsored uniform for those Archers who make the team.
WE DO NOT INTEND FOR AV TO SPEND HALF OF ITS ANNUAL EARNINGS as doug has implied on the agenda for the next meeting. This is a ridiculous comment, aimed at manipulating your opinions of our motion.

Bill Williams and Craig Tyson have already developed a sample uniform, so the work has been done already, all that is needed is approval for a uniform.

The suggested (and it is only early yet, any reasonable thoughts will be considered) is:

2 x AV named shooting shirt. With AV embroidery.
1 x AV Jacket. With AV embroidery.
1 x AV Trackies. With AV embroidery.

It is Navy/White.
The shirts are very similar to the DVA shirt (not sure if identical, dont know the DVA shirt very well) as the supplier does not do White/Navy without having a different shirt for Junior/Senior members.
I'll get some photos soon.

The supplier has kindly suggested that we may go to him, and get sized properly, so that the uniform fits perfectly first time.

COSTS:
The cost to AV of this uniform would be (in the very worst case):
20 junior members
16 senior members
Average cost of uniform: $121.06
all inclusive (GST, embroidery, personalised names, fitting etc...)
TOTAL COST OF UNIFORMS: $4358.16

AV CURRENTLY SPENDS:
Additional shirts are sold for $35 each. Assuming AV is not making a profit, and that is what these shirts cost, it would total: $1260

HOWEVER!:
Doug has put in a counter-motion.
AV will provide 2 shooting shirts. And will develop a committee to raise funds for this (which will likely be something along the lines of an additional fee at QRE's- which wouldnt be desirable).
So, this will cost AV: $2520 for the shirts alone.

He also proposes to drop AV fees by $5 again. If fees were left alone the money could be used for the uniforms. Or possibly only drop fees by a proportion of the suggested amount.

[Marcus]

The 2005 Nationals raised money for usage for AV state uniforms so there money should be there to cover MAC's proposal.

as doug has implied on the agenda for the next meeting. This is a ridiculous comment, aimed at manipulating your opinions of our motion.
Welcome to AV meetings. Enjoy it.
I wish the clubs realised how often they are misled for someone else's agenda.

He also proposes to drop AV fees by $5 again. If fees were left alone the money could be used for the uniforms. Or possibly only drop fees by a proportion of the suggested amount.
And if they were left alone to begin with AV would have an additional $17,500 a year to spend on developments such as these, however the club presidents never think about such things do they?

Good luck.

[Clare Barnes]

[Doug Devlin, AV President] also proposes to drop AV fees by $5 again.

I can just see people thinking "I think I'll take up archery next year as it's going to cost $5 less than it would've to do so this year, so I'll be able to buy an extra 6 of the very cheapest nocks ... yippee!" :rolleyes:

The uniforms sound a good idea! :D

[Ed]

I can just see people thinking "I think I'll take up archery next year as it's going to cost $5 less than it would've to do so this year, so I'll be able to buy an extra 6 of the very cheapest nocks ... yippee!" :rolleyes:

The uniforms sound a good idea! :D

The question that needs to be asked is "What is the current financial state of AV and what future plans are in place to warrant the retention of members' monies?"

[paulrb]

I can just see people thinking "I think I'll take up archery next year as it's going to cost $5 less than it would've to do so this year, so I'll be able to buy an extra 6 of the very cheapest nocks ... yippee!"

I think fee structure should be based on what the membership wants their money to be used for, not having $$$ for its' own sake.

If the membership wants subsidised state team uniforms, then the money should go on this. Why else have any money at all. (beyond operating costs that is)

I think the motion Moorabin have put forward is a good one. We want AV's executive to be fiscally responsible (which I believe they are) but surely we also want services for members.

I believe all junior uniforms should be fully funded by AV. This includes all elements of the uniform. Parents have enough trouble funding their children's participation in this sport, particularly travel to shoots and gear.

funding uniforms for kids will ensure we always have the best teams available for interstate and international comps. I'd also support zero interest loans or subsidies for juniors to travel. This could be done from a fixed pool of money (like $10,000 and be given to families that need it, and loaned in a legally binding manner) I have seen this done in other areas (such as schools allowing low income kids to attend camps) and works well, if there is a proper structure.

Senior uniform subsidies or free uniforms is a good idea and has merit. If, as has been said it is only a few dollars per every AV member... then yeah.

I don't want my fees cut. I want enhanced services and programs for all archers in the State. I'll pay extra each year for loans to struggling clubs, junior coaching programs, the archery in schools programs, high performance coaching, additional resources for the AV executive (if needed) - even though none on this will ever directly benefit me.

I want archery in this state to grow and for more people to experience it, and for those elite archers to have every chance of doing well. I cheered and was proud of our archers in Mexico & India and expect our State and National bodies to make it happen. To get them trained, kitted out and shooting at these big comps.

This it what I want my membership fees to do, even though I won't be getting a State uniform any time soon, I'd pay my $5.00 for those who deserve one to wear one for all of us.

[coach]

All I've got to say is .. "Why would you want to be put into a uniform anyway " Need to be told what to do ?

[frommy]

Paul,

I seldom pay your posts much heed, but, if the same situation were to arise in my RGB I would have a very similar stance as your well thought out post.

There will be an argument that why should all archers contribute to an elite few, but the answer is for the future development of the sport as a whole.

Most RGB's are very well cashed up, NSW certainly was when I was Treasurer, although I think at that time we still only provided a subsidy on junior uniform costs.

And Coach, these kids are as proud to wear a State uniform to represent their RGB in archery as any cricketer is to get a cap for their State. One of the juniors from my club would not stop wearing his shirt to the club for a very long while after he was chosen to represent.

Good luck with the motion.

Brian Fromholtz
Secretary
Camden & District Archery Club

[Jean Lafitte]

All I've got to say is .. "Why would you want to be put into a uniform anyway " Need to be told what to do ?

Ever seen the Koreans, USA's current RAs, or any other well-uniformed team shoot? Very impressive.

[Eberbachl]

Uniforms sound like a fantastic proposal!

Best of luck with it :thumb:

I'd be happy for part of my AV membership money to go to such a cause.

[paulrb]

Paul,

I seldom pay your posts much heed,


I see... Well I can be serious sometimes!! Just ignore the ones in the light relief section... They are generally BS.. But these type of issues, such as the appropriate use of AV funds are important. You won't get me making jokes of them.

[frommy]

I see... Well I can be serious sometimes!! Just ignore the ones in the light relief section... They are generally BS.. But these type of issues, such as the appropriate use of AV funds are important. You won't get me making jokes of them.

Paul, I acknowledged that fact in the bit of my message you did not quote!

I seldom pay your posts much heed, but, if the same situation were to arise in my RGB I would have a very similar stance as your well thought out post.

I will be interested to see what the RGB does with this.

Brian

[Matatazela]

Why not ask for sponsorship from Victoria's Secret? ;)

Seriously, I think a uniform is most impressive when the team steps up to the line. It also engenders a great deal of pride.

Just the ramblings of a newbie. Take it or leave it!!!

[Liam]

Sounds awesome.

[Marcus]

I won't be at the meeting because I work till 7pm on Friday nights.
However I would like to know why the motion on the Agenda was worded differently to the motion submitted by Moorabbin. That's uncool.

[dbjac]

I won't be at the meeting because I work till 7pm on Friday nights.
However I would like to know why the motion on the Agenda was worded differently to the motion submitted by Moorabbin. That's uncool.

Simply for the reason that certain people don't want it approved. Can be no other reason.

[CMB50]

All I've got to say is .. "Why would you want to be put into a uniform anyway " Need to be told what to do ?

it's not about 'being told what to do' it's about being identified as a strong and united team. Having a sense of identity and even achievement.
Why do the Aussie cricket team wear uniforms? Why do footballers wear uniforms? why do the olympic team wear uniforms?

Ridiculous comment. And yes, You will see that exact same statement in the Rep feedback I just left you.


Derek,


Good luck with the motion. As has been seen at previous AV meetings unless what you think is a good idea to grow and develop Archery in Vic is what Doug thinks is a good idea, then you're going to struggle to get this motion through. It think it's an excellent idea and long over due.
To propose to lower fees for AV again is in no way going to make AV more attractive to new members. New shooters should be seeing a sound plan set to help shooters reach an elite level, with coaching, funding and anything else required to do so.
That is of course, unless to most people Archery is a hobby and not a competitive sport. If thats the case, take up knitting or stamp collecting.

[dbjac]

Here's some photo's of what we've got together:
Any comments would be appreciated, and suggestions will be considered. After all; it's your uniform.

Pants and Shirt:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/dbjac/DSCN0001.jpg

Jacket:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/dbjac/DSCN0002.jpg
Photobucket is being retarded and keeps flipping the top picture on its side for me, so i'll keep them as hyperlinks

I particularly like the Jacket.

[Marcus]

A warning before opening would have been great!

Looks good! Great to get away from white too. ;) :thumb:

[Progen]

Side and back views would be useful, D. Can these be purchased? Then I can show Mark what's being worn by the people who kicked his butt in India. :rofl:

[dbjac]

Side and back views would be useful, D. Can these be purchased? Then I can show Mark what's being worn by the people who kicked his butt in India. :rofl:

Ok i'll get some more photos if ya want.
LOL, you want a uniform, come to Aus and make the VIC team. Looking at the participation so far, all you need to do to make the VIC recurve team is turn up and shoot.

Sorry, marcus, Craig will pay for your therapy :lol:.

[Progen]

A warning before opening would have been great!

Looks good! Great to get away from white too. ;) :thumb:

Those red eyes are NOT human.

0X

See the similarity.

[Liam]

The uniform looks neat, would be much better than just a shirt. I like it.

But, I don't think Craig should give up his day job...

[paulrb]

Here's some photo's of what we've got together:
Any comments would be appreciated, and suggestions will be considered. After all; it's your uniform.

Pants and Shirt:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/dbjac/DSCN0001.jpg

Jacket:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/dbjac/DSCN0002.jpg
Photobucket is being retarded and keeps flipping the top picture on its side for me, so i'll keep them as hyperlinks

I particularly like the Jacket.


The circle of light of Craig's belly, on the first photo. Is that light coming through someone's scope onto him? Just thought someone might have him in their sights already.

[Progen]

The circle of light of Craig's belly, on the first photo. Is that light coming through someone's scope onto him? Just thought someone might have him in their sights already.

In certain alien species, the male or what would appear to be the male form is capable of reproduction too. :silly:

Can't wait to see more photos. :D

[Jay.G]

Those look great! Much better looking than our ones...:( particularly the Jacket.:thumb:

[C Tyson]

Sorry guys AV blocked the motion to pay a model to show off the outfit....It was extra large so I was the only option available.
Craig

[C Tyson]

COSTS:
The cost to AV of this uniform would be (in the very worst case):
20 junior members
16 senior members
Average cost of uniform: $121.06
all inclusive (GST, embroidery, personalised names, fitting etc...)
TOTAL COST OF UNIFORMS: $4358.16

AV CURRENTLY SPENDS:
Additional shirts are sold for $35 each. Assuming AV is not making a profit, and that is what these shirts cost, it would total: $1260

HOWEVER!:
Doug has put in a counter-motion.
AV will provide 2 shooting shirts. And will develop a committee to raise funds for this (which will likely be something along the lines of an additional fee at QRE's- which wouldnt be desirable).
So, this will cost AV: $2520 for the shirts alone.

He also proposes to drop AV fees by $5 again. If fees were left alone the money could be used for the uniforms. Or possibly only drop fees by a proportion of the suggested

Just thought that I would mention that the total cost of $4348 assumes a full team of archers from both senior and junior ranks which is not always the case and also that frequently the State team would consist of some of the same archers from year to year, a full uniform would not be issued to the people that already had one, possibly just a few more shirts which would reduce the costs in later years.
Rgs Craig

[Peter King]

Sorry guys AV blocked the motion to pay a model to show off the outfit....It was extra large so I was the only option available.
Craig
Nope...AV gets the blame for everything, but those eyes looks like an excess of claret to me:p. At least you could have cleaned it up with Picasa2 or something similar....

[New Tricks]

A suggestion from a non Victorian. For the juniors, perhaps to save them some cash could you go without the trackie dacks and maybe even ditch the jacket? Seeing as the Junior nats are in Summer, it is usually 1000 degrees when they are wearing the uniform. I do however acknowledge that Vic is freezing most of the year and the kids will want to 'show off' their gear. The trend seems to be arm warmers/long sleeve Ts with a shirt over the top in winter however.

I don't know the cost but maybe a pair of navy dress type shorts with VIC embroided/screen printed on the lower front leg and a bucket style hat. Also, tracksuits are not a good look for the...... husky gent/lass and we know there are a few in Archery(no offence intended excpet to malynn).

[2Dogs]

Why don't you guys just get rid of Doug?

[Liam]

Why don't you guys just get rid of Doug?

Craig's modelling already derailed the thread enough 2dogs! :rofl:

[Liam]

A suggestion from a non Victorian. For the juniors, perhaps to save them some cash could you go without the trackie dacks and maybe even ditch the jacket? Seeing as the Junior nats are in Summer, it is usually 1000 degrees when they are wearing the uniform. I do however acknowledge that Vic is freezing most of the year and the kids will want to 'show off' their gear. The trend seems to be arm warmers/long sleeve Ts with a shirt over the top in winter however.

I don't know the cost but maybe a pair of navy dress type shorts with VIC embroided/screen printed on the lower front leg and a bucket style hat. Also, tracksuits are not a good look for the...... husky gent/lass and we know there are a few in Archery(no offence intended excpet to malynn).

Going without the pants and jacket leaves what we have already, a shirt.

[New Tricks]

2 paragraphs.

[Liam]

2 paragraphs.

Shorts could be good. I like the jacket.

[paulrb]

Why don't you guys just get rid of Doug?


You had to mention that.... Let us say... it has been discussed in darkened rooms.

[Progen]

Why don't you guys just get rid of Doug?

Hopefully not just for better uniforms. :D

[Marcus]

V will provide 2 shooting shirts. And will develop a committee to raise funds for this (which will likely be something along the lines of an additional fee at QRE's- which wouldnt be desirable).
The money was already raised by the DVA Nationals with funds suppose to go towards the state team uniforms.
So given that AV already budgets $1400 towards uniforms, plus the funds raised from the Nats they will already have the funds to do it.

Additionally this motion of Dougs was listed before MAC's. This has been done by AV before. It is a tactic used to stop the council voting on the uniforms.
If this goes to a sperate committee you will see no more of it. The state team will see no improvement and you will see no minutes.

Last year the AV council approved the formulation of a 'Records committee' to look at the records situation in Victoria. No more was heard. When I asked this 'committee' apparently decided everything was perfect as is.

Good luck MAC, I hope the council gives you support on this. It is great to see a club do the leg work and budget for this, it would be a shame to see it fail thanks to someone who is not even on the team.

[Liam]

The money was already raised by the DVA Nationals with funds suppose to go towards the state team uniforms.
So given that AV already budgets $1400 towards uniforms, plus the funds raised from the Nats they will already have the funds to do it.


So how can anyone find a fault in having a proper state uniform? :confused:

[paulrb]

So how can anyone find a fault in having a proper state uniform? :confused:

No..... no-one who want evolutionary change. Unfortunately we way be forced into revolutionary change.


time to get Bolshie....... he he he