Bow arm scapula

[erila107]

I think it

[Jean Lafitte]

Try focusing on keeping the shoulder low and in-line. I find that it helps more than worrying about the scapula, especially since the scapula seems to follow the shoulder into the right position.

[erila107]

Thanks, I'll try.

Is this for real or does everybody hate me ;)
Where have all the reader/writers gone? It's totaly dead here now... :-(

[Jean Lafitte]

my advice is so amazing that there's no need for anyone else to reply.

[erila107]

Maybe...

[Progen]

Didn't really get what the initial post meant. Erila, are you trying to say that your bowarm collapses into the shoulder joint during the draw, resulting in the bowside scapula moving inwards?

[erila107]

It move mostly upwards, not inwards.

[Progen]

On Ki Sik's website, there's a photo of David Barnes taken from the back with vertical lines superimposed on it.

Imagine yourself shooting with those vertical lines as guides to check collapsing of your shoulders. During the setup, as your bow is raised and pointed at the target, concentrate on ensuring that your bowarm and its shoulder's alignment doesn't change. The draw is assisted by an outward rotation of the draw side, not by the bowarm pushing in an outward arc because that will result in the bowside shoulder either collapsing into its joint or riding upwards as in your case.

[Brocky]

On Ki Sik's website, there's a photo of David Barnes taken from the back with vertical lines superimposed on it.
Imagine yourself shooting with those vertical lines as guides to check collapsing of your shoulders. During the setup, as your bow is raised and pointed at the target, concentrate on ensuring that your bowarm and its shoulder's alignment doesn't change. The draw is assisted by an outward rotation of the draw side, not by the bowarm pushing in an outward arc because that will result in the bowside shoulder either collapsing into its joint or riding upwards as in your case.
I'm confused, your now refering to Ki Siks photo's of David when he was in Australia. However in your private emails to me you state Davids style is old fashion compared to what Ki Sik is now teaching the Americans. Progen you then state you have a copy of the new version for shooting :silly: So why push someone to an old way as you have stated. Or dont you really know:confused: Show us the new information & not something your reading from a book.

[Progen]

Again the whiny kid tried to blow things out of context. You really need to keep on taking those medication, dude.

Forgot this.

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[Brocky]

Yes cheese man answer the question instead of repeating statements that have already been handed to you, or are you just full of ****. Could you please show use the new technique which you state Ki Sik now is now teaching the Americans.
I'm only asking so you can guide us into a new era :thumb:.

[Brocky]

erila 107. I'll answer it for you when you are pushing towards the target. Dont push with your bow hand towards the target instead keep your laterial muscle tight which pulls your shoulder down causing pushing from your shoulder & not from your hand. This will move your scapular down.

[Progen]

Hasn't Jean already pointed that out, birdie boy? You're a real almost, aren't you? ;)

ps. No such word as laterial so perhaps you might want to cut down on the outback English a bit.

[Eberbachl]

Progen and Brocky stop fighting like little girls.

...and I don't just mean in this thread either!

:x

The next time I see either one take a dig in any thread here you're both banned.

I'm sick of it.

If you want to ***** at one another, do it in PM's.

[Progen]

Anyway, erila, here's a little bit from my notes. Hope it's of help.

Initially before the bow is raised we want the archer to pull the chest down. With this movement, the bow and draw shoulders are also pulled down.

[Ja]

by chest down, it means to crunch the abs, dont drop too far or you'll be too rounded in the shoulders..

[Progen]

I also think of it as getting both shoulders in closer line to the neck. If the bow shoulder is level with the draw one, there's hardly any chance for it to ride up during the draw.

[erila107]

Thanks for all great tips. I'll try it tomorrow...

[spruis]

The only bow arm side muscles you want to be using are the deltoids (holding the bow up), the triceps (locking the shoulder in place and deactivating the biceps) and the lats (stabilizing the whole front side). If you are getting tired, it may be because you are not used to using those muscles. If that is not the case, you may be "clenching" those muscles too tightly.

If you are having trouble feeling all that you can try laying on the ground on your back while doing memetics. The ground pressing on your back allows you to feel what is going on where you can't see things.