Vista Ultimate

[2Dogs]

Picked up a copy of Vista Ultimate for $269.00 at Computer Function in Brisbane. OEM ver of course & they didn't make you buy like $12 mouse or something stupid like some of them do.

About to install it...... you may get lucky and never hear from me again around here :)

Bye Bye....

Stop Cheering Mrs Coghlan :)

[Flame]

Awaiting the delivery of my TechNet DVDs :D

[2Dogs]

My Work is TOO tight to get me a Sub :(

Anyway....it worked:)

[primal]

what are your thoughts?.. oh venerable dog of the twain.

[Archangel]

Anyway....it worked:)
Bugger, you got my hopes up in the first post :-P

[2Dogs]

I like it.

Worth Doing for $269.00 / 3 = $90.00 (3 of us share a copy :) )

Not worth doing if your getting the bloody full retail version :o

Oh yeah Archangel..... suffer! :)

[James Hirth]

I like it.

Worth Doing for $269.00 / 3 = $90.00 (3 of us share a copy :) )

Not worth doing if your getting the bloody full retail version :o

Oh yeah Archangel..... suffer! :)
i have heard peoplthat have Vista say it sucks and nothing runs on it, is this true?

[ninevalleys]

not true james, some stuff runs, most stuffs like mice keyboards and even graphics cards are waiting for full drivers to be released. most software works on Vista, though Autocad 2004 does not, but 2007 does.

Vista is very fun but also very pricey.

NV

Suffer Archy

[James Hirth]

yea well the price is to high for me for the moment

[Archangel]

Oh yeah Archangel..... suffer! :)
I'm pulling through, just to spite you :-P

[2Dogs]

Well I trashed Vista today.

Had a gut full of fixing bugs and every install needed some tweak of somekind.

Last straw was my Dell USB keyboard failing because Vista couldn't find a driver for it...AAAGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH. My PC is less them 12 months old so should theoretically it should have been ok.

Back to good ol XP.

Was interesting that work have decided not to upgrade for about 2 years :)...good thinking. However one of our Competitors Connell & Wagner are uprading now.......that's NUTS!

[wareagle]

:rofl: What a waste.

[recurve boy]

i have heard peoplthat have Vista say it sucks and nothing runs on it, is this true?

Unfortunately, I am sure quite a lot of older programs work in Vista. I bet they even work natively.

Otherwise YMMV with Vista. The biggest annoyance seems to be the need to authorise programs to do things. Some people say that it's not as bad as it seems. Others say the Apple mock ad is right on the money. A friend installed Vista for his parents a few days ago. He confirms that the dialogs are really annoying. At first he just started OK-ing every box, then figures out that the agent that does this can be turned off. BUT, there is another "Super" agent that monitors the rest. It then starts bugging you that you turned off an agent! (So much for improved security)

The minimum reqs are also kind of steep. On one hand they have lots of new features. On the other hand similar functionality could be found on OS X years ago and ran well on much inferior hardware [1] But the new features seem worthwhile on their own merits.

[1] I have a 2-3 year old iBook G4 and a new top end MacBook Pro. I can't believe how much smoother things run on my MacBook. But almost all the pretty things work well on my iBook. The things that don't are effects that my graphics card is simply not capable of.

[ninevalleys]

the min requirments are a joke, you shouldnt even look at Vista without having at least 2 Gig of ram... yes i know it quotes different, but its hell running it on only 1 gig. simple solution, put Vista back into its box and wait a year or so. im waiting till DX10 games make a appearence.

NV

[Sandy Hancock]

Well I trashed Vista today.

Had a gut full of fixing bugs and every install needed some tweak of somekind.

Last straw was my Dell USB keyboard failing because Vista couldn't find a driver for it...AAAGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH. My PC is less them 12 months old so should theoretically it should have been ok.

Back to good ol XP.

Was interesting that work have decided not to upgrade for about 2 years :)...good thinking. However one of our Competitors Connell & Wagner are uprading now.......that's NUTS!
I'm so happy I switched to Macs five years ago :cool:

[2Dogs]

Ever tried running Autocad, 12 & MX on a MAC? :p

Dam hippies ;)

[Sandy Hancock]

Ever tried running Autocad, 12 & MX on a MAC? :p

Dam hippies ;)
Damn technophiles :rofl:

[Flame]

VISTA works great on my PC (2 months old with all the bells and whistles)
Tried it on a older pc and it doesn't work very well
Longhorn Server works well :D

Well I trashed Vista today.

Had a gut full of fixing bugs and every install needed some tweak of somekind.

Last straw was my Dell USB keyboard failing because Vista couldn't find a driver for it...AAAGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH. My PC is less them 12 months old so should theoretically it should have been ok.

Back to good ol XP.

Was interesting that work have decided not to upgrade for about 2 years :)...good thinking. However one of our Competitors Connell & Wagner are uprading now.......that's NUTS!

[recurve boy]

Damn technophiles :rofl:

It's spelt "masochist".

[lil_dennett]

thought i might just say that i have been running vista for bout 6 moths now guys and there is not a single problem that i have had on it that i can not get around.. i was at first running rc1 then rc2 and now ultimate. ( full release copy and did not cost me a cent :P ) if any one is going to really bad it out i think they must not have tryed it out yet nad just gone off the rep it has on the net on some sites....

yeah some time you wont be able to install a program but all you got to do is then run the installer with the compatiblity thing set right.. it goes all the way back to 95 i think i have not looked in a while... best thing about that is that now i can run my copy of monaply that was ment for 95, like a dream..

however i have noticed that if your machine is not up to speed you could be having problems with vista.. to get it going good you got to have that gig of ram and then even better more.. (as always) but vist does need that gig to have any speed benifit over xp....

the set out and the ease of access to every thing on vista is like just heaps better but that is my oppinion..

i vote vista..
you all should try it out...

[2Dogs]

I did.

It's gone.

Nice shiny copy of Ultimate sitting on me desk :)

I will try it again in a year maybe after SP1, and many of the 3rd party software apps have fixed all the bugs.

I found work around for many things but not all of them. Some of them critical.

The thing that **** me the most was the default NIC settings out of the box would not allow my PC to connect to my POP server....took three weeks to find and obscure fix for that.

2nd thing that **** me was HP Printers. HP website says HP printer drivers are built into Vista. So go to Add Printers/list manufactuers......guess what no HP listed :). Go to website, to find drivers...... says go check em out in Vista :rofl:

:wank:

[Archangel]

thought i might just say that i have been running vista for bout 6 moths now guys and there is not a single problem that i have had on it that i can not get around..
Not quite the same as not having a single problem at all though, is it?

[lil_dennett]

the problems are due to not knowing the os... just like when we made the jump for 98 to xp we had to get use to it...... and then there is just the thing of getting the compatibliy set for some of the programs that i have.. but i do have the 64 bit version witch is the cause of most of it due to how the programs where not built for it.. but hey it is piss easy to do any thing you want with..

networking is so simple and easy.... and then the security you have when on a net work is great....


you cant say xp did not have problems and stuff.

[2Dogs]

XP was a simple jump from 2000.

the Jump from 98 to 2000 was less painfull, then freaking XP to Vista.

[Archangel]

the problems are due to not knowing the os...
Nah, for my money they're because it's not very good.

just like when we made the jump for 98 to xp we had to get use to it......
Well, I went to 2000 first, but most stuff worked okay. And that was a much bigger change, because it was going from the MS-DOS based 9x series to the NT kernel.

but i do have the 64 bit version witch is the cause of most of it due to how the programs where not built for it..
Ooh, that's brave. There seem to be enough issues with the 32-bit for most people. Keen :-)

networking is so simple and easy.... and then the security you have when on a net work is great....
Security? Windows? Please...

you cant say xp did not have problems and stuff.
Yeah, of course it did, but I sort of thought that after six years Microsoft might have learnt from experience and fixed them...

[Aussierox]

I know of a program that when you use it, it makes your xp look exactly like vista but its not vista so all your programs and all still run on it! here is the link if you are intersted, its about 30mb http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/OS-Enhancements/Vista-Transformation-Pack.shtml

[lil_dennett]

that skin changer program caused me heaps of problems on my laptop.... it is very power hungry... but still if you want the looks of vista and nothing more best option ever..


but guys it is up t you with what you think about vista.. i say it is great and others say it is ****... have a try and see what you think.

oh and you are very true with the security on windows it sucks compared to other os' but vista is better than xp pro for security by far..

[Aussierox]

that skin changer program caused me heaps of problems on my laptop.... it is very power hungry... but still if you want the looks of vista and nothing more best option ever..


but guys it is up t you with what you think about vista.. i say it is great and others say it is ****... have a try and see what you think.

oh and you are very true with the security on windows it sucks compared to other os' but vista is better than xp pro for security by far..
It didnt mess up my comp and i forgot to mention if you guys want the start menu to be see through like vista.Just google Glass 2k and download the free version, its like 50kb and easy to use to make anything on your pc become see through.

[Eberbachl]

98 to xp we had to get use to it......

...it went:

95->95OSR2->98->98SE->ME->NT3.51->NT4.0->2000->XP

Hardly a single jump ;)

(although the above list isn't strictly in chronological order....more of an architectural order).

[Progen]

What about that horrible Windows 3.1? :)

Those were the days when I couldn't afford my own PC. :(

[recurve boy]

Security? Windows? Please...

Haha. It's funny this time because the OS probably is quite a bit more secure. But the all the prompting that it does when you setup the machine seems to condition many users to just stop caring, and just authorising anything. It's like they are doing the social engineering for you.

[lil_dennett]

Haha. It's funny this time because the OS probably is quite a bit more secure. But the all the prompting that it does when you setup the machine seems to condition many users to just stop caring, and just authorising anything. It's like they are doing the social engineering for you.


you can change it so it wont pick up some things and also make it do the same action every time.. you just got to set it up i never really get that warning thing come up now. i only get it if i got to install something that is not a legit copy

[recurve boy]

you can change it so it wont pick up some things and also make it do the same action every time.. you just got to set it up i never really get that warning thing come up now. i only get it if i got to install something that is not a legit copy

Huh? So the solution is to have it automatically allow things? What if one of them really is a virus that wants to change system files?

[whiz]

The best thing about XP is that it is so popular and it's been out for so long that we don't have to spend much time training people on it's use.

We've had people at work doing Vista beta testing for microsoft since it's first couple of evolutions.

We will buy equipment which is Vista compatible at the next hardware upgrade, but we will put XP back on them.

It's quite humorous to see that the plot has gone back towards security and now people are having a ***** about it while previously they were having a ***** about the lack of security.

I'm going to have to buy a new laptop soon so that I DON'T have to have vista on it.

When XP first came out, people said that it sucked.

You didn't hear that at all two years after. XP is pretty universally loved now.

I'll give Vista at least two years before I bother.

[Archangel]

When XP first came out, people said that it sucked.

You didn't hear that at all two years after. XP is pretty universally loved now.
Yes, you did. Two years after XP came out everyone got hit by Blaster and Sasser. I remember trying to clean one of them off my grandparent's computer before my grandfather spotted it. I was definately cursing XP then, there wasn't any universal love going on.

[whiz]

Okay. Make that:
Anyone who was behind one of the freely available firewalls had no issues.

Actually, the only person I know of personally who got hit by either of those worms was my boss at the time who was downloading the patch for the vulnerability onto his new laptop before installing a software firewall.

He said " Hang on, I've downloaded four meg, but I've uploaded eight! What's going on here?"

At that point, we all fell about laughing.

Mind you, the XP update that fixed the vulnerability that Sasser and Blaster exploited was available BEFORE the attack, so if you had updated regularly or automatically, you would have been fine.

[2Dogs]

At that time I was working for a local PC fix it joint.

I remember the waves fo virus' that hit the XP boxes too :)..... bugbear, sasser etc etc.

Actually about 1 in 4 PC that came through the door was virus infected.

We made a **** load :):)

But.... then SP2 came along..... and wrecked em all again :rofl:... that update busted so many PC's :):)

[Archangel]

Okay. Make that:
Anyone who was behind one of the freely available firewalls had no issues.
Yeah, because my grandparents had the faintest clue what a firewall was, or why they would need one...
In fact I'm still not quite sure why it's considered okay to cover something like that up with a third-party firewall; surely NOT HAVING a RPC port facing the entire internet would have been a better design.

Mind you, the XP update that fixed the vulnerability that Sasser and Blaster exploited was available BEFORE the attack, so if you had updated regularly or automatically, you would have been fine.
And again, they dialled up to the internet once every few days to check e-mail. Obviously the update didn't get downloaded and installed during one of those times.

I was 12,000 miles away when they bought the thing; in hindsight it would have been much easier if I was there to have shoved Linux on it, or told them to get a Mac. Anything but Windows...

[recurve boy]

When XP first came out, people said that it sucked.

Hmmm ... I remember reactions being quite positive. For the first time, if something crashed, it didn't bring down your system. It could recover nicely. Well, I guess 2000 and the NT versions had this earlier. I was kinda impressed for a while anyway.

[whiz]

I have always liked XP, but when you spend enough time at a computer fair, when a new operating system comes out you'll have waves of people coming up to you saying how their brand new scanner doesn't have a driver available for it yet and it's your fault....

Archangel's right though. RPC ports were a bit of a joke, but it made things SO EASY for people.
Now Vista won't and they'll complain about that...

[lil_dennett]

Huh? So the solution is to have it automatically allow things? What if one of them really is a virus that wants to change system files?



nar it is more like when you start with vista you it will pick up every thing that happens and with the ones that keep coming up all the time and get annoying. with the ones that you know you set them to allow or disallow for every time they come up.. it is set for each .exe file that it picks up not every thing at once. but yet if you really want you can just turn the complete thing off and have it like the security on xp but with some added benefits now in vista...

[StevenB]

I've just upgraded to an AMD A64 x2 3800+ from an AXP 2400+, but Vista can wait I'll continue with my XP Pro that is non-genuine (even though I have the Certificate of Authenticity)

[Aussierox]

Hey I have a copy of Vista ultimate here and im woundering weather I should install it? I have a 2.8ghz processor and 1gb of ram with a gforce FX 5600 grapics card and also is there a way to change the start button from the vista orb to XP shape but thats all I want to change not the menu or the taskbar just the button does anyone know if this can be done?

[whiz]

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=change+vista+orb+to+start+button&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Why do people ask on forums when all they have to do is google?

[Eberbachl]

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ch...ient=firefox-a

Why do people ask on forums when all they have to do is google?

...because we created a section on this forum related to computer discussion, this thread is about Vista, and it's a valid question.

If you're able to answer it. Do so, instead of posting an "I'm smarter than thou" Google link.

If you genuinely want to help with your Google link, why not say something like:

"It looks like you can - here are a few Google references to tell you how"

:silly:

[whiz]

Okay. You edited your reply.
I'll do mine.

But I stand by the well known statement. STFI before you post on a forum.

[Eberbachl]

So I edited my post to add something I forgot to say?

Big deal.... :rolleyes:

Get over yourelf Whiz, you're not the forum ethics police.

:silly:

If someone wants to ask a computer question in our computer area, let them go right ahead.

If you don't want to answer, don't.

[recurve boy]

But I stand by the well known statement. STFI before you post on a forum.

Swedish Test Fibre Institute? http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/STFI

[whiz]

Get over yourelf Whiz, you're not the forum ethics police.


I don't have an elf.

In the days of "gopher" it was STFI.

Now it's STFW (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Search%20The%20****ing%20Web)

[hutcho]

Swedish Test Fibre Institute? http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/STFI


ROFL

I have this vision in my head of a crash test dummy, Derryn Hinch and a bowl bran in a volvo getting smashed into a huge steel barrier.

take the all bran challenge!

[ninevalleys]

Aussie you asked me the same question a week ago, this is the answer that you will most likely find in most places. YES you may be able to run vista ultimate BUT to a very slow/ low level. the minium requirments set by MS is a joke. to be able to run Vista (and definatly Ultimate) you need at least 2Gig of DDR2 ram, Geforce 6600 with 256mb (but get 512) or a X1600 radeon card. and a DUAL core CPU of some type with at least 1.8Ghz. these should be the actual minium requirments.

anyways i would not change to Vista until SP1 comes out anyway as there have been a few issues with it (with some people as exceptions)

NV

[recurve boy]

STFW (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Search%20The%20****ing%20Web)

Schweizerische Technische Fachschule Winterthur???
http://www.stfw.ch/

(Swiss Polytechnic Winterthur, I was struggling to figure out the translation for Winterthur. Turned out to be a place. Doh! I must visit.)

[Aussierox]

Aussie you asked me the same question a week ago, this is the answer that you will most likely find in most places. YES you may be able to run vista ultimate BUT to a very slow/ low level. the minium requirments set by MS is a joke. to be able to run Vista (and definatly Ultimate) you need at least 2Gig of DDR2 ram, Geforce 6600 with 256mb (but get 512) or a X1600 radeon card. and a DUAL core CPU of some type with at least 1.8Ghz. these should be the actual minium requirments.

anyways i would not change to Vista until SP1 comes out anyway as there have been a few issues with it (with some people as exceptions)

NV
Yea I know but James is bugging me to get it.

[Archangel]

I don't have an elf.

In the days of "gopher" it was STFI.

Now it's STFW (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Search%20The%20****ing%20Web)
RTFM is best.

[Archangel]

Yea I know but James is bugging me to get it.
Tell him no. Get something decent (http://www.ubuntu.com) instead.

[whiz]

RTFM is best.
It is, but lots of people want to be spoon fed and never find out for themselves when the information is right in front of them.

People don't want to read, much less think...

I thought you must come from a linux background.
Kubuntu is a nicer interface...

[ninevalleys]

it doesnt matter how much he bugs you, its very simple, if you change to Vista with your currnet PC somthign is gunna fail and fast. i actually had a look at that new Linux interface and have to say it looks nice enough, with my limited knowlege of linux is what stops me from changing. jsut stick with XP if you have it and its working fine, last thing you need aussie is to have osmthing go wrong and wipe you harddrive

[primal]

why do you need vista? doesn't xp work?

why change? there is no need if what you currently have meets all your requirements.

never upgrade for upgradings sake.... it leads to a life of project managment. :rofl:

[Aussierox]

it doesnt matter how much he bugs you, its very simple, if you change to Vista with your currnet PC somthign is gunna fail and fast. i actually had a look at that new Linux interface and have to say it looks nice enough, with my limited knowlege of linux is what stops me from changing. jsut stick with XP if you have it and its working fine, last thing you need aussie is to have osmthing go wrong and wipe you harddrive
I told him the same thing and he told me to stop being such a sissy and take a risk for once (which ive done in the past with vista look alike and it wasent fun) and then said it doesnt matter if you have to format ur HD!

[Aussierox]

why do you need vista? doesn't xp work?

why change? there is no need if what you currently have meets all your requirements.

never upgrade for upgradings sake.... it leads to a life of project managment. :rofl:
Thats what I said to james and then I asked him to give me 10 good reasons why i should upgrade to Vista and he couldnt come up with anything because vista isnt all that much better than XP besides looks (there are programs that make xp look like vista) and the security but thats what antivirus stuff is for.

[primal]

Thats what I said to james and then I asked him to give me 10 good reasons why i should upgrade to Vista and he couldnt come up with anything because vista isnt all that much better than XP besides looks (there are programs that make xp look like vista) and the security but thats what antivirus stuff is for.
then aussie rock. rock on with vista. there is no reason to upgrade un till you buy a new pc with it already installed. then maybe give it a look. but untill then dont bother.

[Archangel]

I thought you must come from a linux background.
Kubuntu is a nicer interface...
I agree, I use KDE on mine, but I haven't used Kubuntu so I don't feel like I can recommend it. I know it's supposed to be more or less equal to Ubuntu in terms of features, but I don't know how true that is.

When KDE4 arrives I'll probably change my tune on that, it looks very cool :-)

[burt666]

then aussie rock. rock on with vista. there is no reason to upgrade un till you buy a new pc with it already installed. then maybe give it a look. but untill then dont bother.

Too true.... i upgraded to Vista, silliest thing i've ever done... i can't accept why my legally-bought, all-my-need-full-filing 2002 software won't work with... and the software companies goes "sorry there is no patch, upgrade to the 2008 version"...:(

[ninevalleys]

dont get me wrong though, Vista is very nice, the #1 problem with it is that its new, which is actually a pretty big problem. what i do NOT like about it is the dodgy system specs and the fact that DX10 is only available on it.

NV

[whiz]

then aussie rock. rock on with vista. there is no reason to upgrade un till you buy a new pc with it already installed. then maybe give it a look. but untill then dont bother.


Wise words.

Every single time microsoft introduced a new operating system, everyone said " Gee, that's pretty!" and then *****ed and moaned for around 12 months until it was sorted.
People new to computers don't remember this and just see the new pretty thing that has just come out.
XP sucked for quite a while. I had people come and ***** that they just bought a scanner from us and they can't use it on their new computer because there weren't any XP drivers for it.

If XP works for you right now and you like pain, go for Vista.
I URGE you to go and buy a removable hard drive enclosure and a spare caddy.
Buy another hard drive and put your Vista on that.
Make sure that you can run XP and Vista exactly as you like before formatting the XP disk and adding it as your Pr0n overflow drive.
(Or install ubuntu/kubuntu onto it and become a computer user and not just a windows computer user)

[lil_dennett]

sorry guy i have to disagree with most of you... i vote vista way better than xp and by far at that...

i have been running it for over a year and yes that mean i have had the rc1 and rc2 copies... even when i was running rc1 there where no problems that i could not fix and i am not computer wizz..

most ppl are complaining that there drivers are not working with vista. Pfft common scene they are not made for vista yet. however if you set the compatibility mode on them you will find that every thing will work fine...

i think most people don't like it form how it looks and seems so different. but if you take the time and try it with out a bias mind you will find that after 10 20 min of looking around that every thing is almost in the same spot but what is really confusing at times is that you can access the same features form about 10 different places. that is where i think a lot of people are getting scared away..

and for the performance of vista.. i guess that i would have about a 20% INCREASE OF WHAT I WAS GETTING WITH xp.. that is a lot for just a different OS..

the security feature that keeps pissing you off when you go to run some thing is easy to deal with just don't keep hitting allow actually set it to do that every time cos then when you have something run that you don't want like a virus it will be the only window to pop p and ask to allow or deny that is why it was added.. set it up and it works like magic..

for real i think this is not the best thing that Microsoft could of come out whit but it blows the ass off xp and every thing they have released in the past with respect to the time it was released.

really if you have tried vista i think you need to try it again and have a open mind and take your time to get to know it... most off the people that i hear that have tried it have uninstall ed it with in 30 min of the install... sorry that is just pathetic.. you don't buy a new car and and then go back to your old one because the new one is different...

vista 9.75 out of 10.... xp 7.5 out of 10

[whiz]

Well, that's good to know that someone is having favourable experiences with it. The husband of one of my colleagues is a microsoft Beta tester and consultant to them. He gets flown to Seattle to chat about SQL issues.

He's all about reliability and he reckons that Vista is about the same in terms of reliable use as everyone else.
Give it another twelve months, or just before "7" comes out. :)

There have always been multiple ways of accessing things and that's why if you get two power users together, there'll be some cross pollination as to the faster techniques.

I would love to know how you got your benchmarks for performance.
Not one test or study that I've seen so far backs you up.

[ninevalleys]

ive now been running Vista Ultimate on my PC for about a month, i have have no troubles with it, it runs all my programs and games (had to get 64 bit autocad though) oh... and its a 64 bit OS, after a long hard think i took the plunge, absolutly perfect. Solid Edge and Solid Works run 10x more smooth, games such as QW:Et BF2142 area lot faster, the best thing is the fact that both CPU cores are being used, and all 4Gb of ram are also being used. the only thing that doesnt work is my Soundcard, which has BETA drivers... (soon to be full ones). i cannot see what all the big fuss was, about all the apparent crap Vista had, im assuming that the updates have taken care of most of those problems for i have not seen them. well worth the $300!

NV

[Archangel]

ive now been running Vista Ultimate on my PC for about a month, i have have no troubles with it, it runs all my programs and games (had to get 64 bit autocad though) oh... and its a 64 bit OS, after a long hard think i took the plunge, absolutly perfect. Solid Edge and Solid Works run 10x more smooth, games such as QW:Et BF2142 area lot faster, the best thing is the fact that both CPU cores are being used, and all 4Gb of ram are also being used. the only thing that doesnt work is my Soundcard, which has BETA drivers... (soon to be full ones). i cannot see what all the big fuss was, about all the apparent crap Vista had, im assuming that the updates have taken care of most of those problems for i have not seen them. well worth the $300!

NV
Are all those programs seriously available in 64-bit versions? 'Cos you obviously have to recompile them to get the benefits, eg. access to registers r8-r15, more than 4 GB (limit may be lower, not sure where that one lies) of address space, etc. And I hadn't heard of many games getting 64-bit builds.

64-bitness is certainly working fine on here, but I've never tried a comparison so not sure how much performance difference there is. One day I'll find an excuse to install something 64-bit at work and do some comparisons there - would be very interesting to see the difference.

[ninevalleys]

well Vista 64 actually is compatible with nearly all 32bit programs and apps, so when i can find 64bit versions of games and downloads i use them, if not just keep on installing the 32version, quite good really, only a few prgrams a picky aka Autocad, but its easy enough to get a different versiona nd eliminate the compatability issues

NV