Sherbrooke QRE 3rd March

[Craig R]

Who' s going?

[James Park]

I expect to be there.

[James Hirth]

That's this Sunday isn't it?

[Liam]

That's this Sunday isn't it?

saturday.

I can't go, I have work. :(

[Marcus]

No it's Saturday
Sorry can't make the Saturday QRE's. SHame, I wanted to shoot one at Sherbrooke. :(

[James Hirth]

saturday.

I can't go, I have work. :(
My Bad

[REIDY]

10:00 start for those that are interested.

A long time since we had a target trial at Sherbrooke. Hope we remember what to do.

Might even shoot it for the first time in years - had a try this afternoon at 90m and managed to get everything on the butt. Didn't damage the 10 ring much so we can probably use that face again on Saturday.

Pete

[Craig R]

Craig Tyson and Myself will be there.

Does any body know what time the club/range will be open from?

[kg]

sorry that i can't support Sherbrooke and be there for this one - i can't make saturday trials due to coaching committments at waverley

tj will be there though!

for anyone who's tossing up whether to go or not, shooting at sherbrooke is absolutely lovely! (except in 42 degree weather with gale-force winds....) but i'm sure Paul has organised a lovely day for this trial!!

kg

[Hannah]

Unfortunately Primal and I won't be there, have a winery tour & an engagement party that day - otherwise we would be there with bells on :)

[Eberbachl]

Would love to, but will be spending tomorrow making preparations for a 2-year-old's birthday party.

:bday:

Have a great day :thumb:

[REIDY]

Practice butts at 90, 70, 50, 30 will be open from 8:30am. Round starts at 10.00am

Depending on numbers we will be shooting the round on the movable plastic filled butts. Our first go at a fixed shooting line.

Pete

[Stryker]

I have been shooting now for 3 months and would love to go and just have some fun.... I wish I could. My intentions, no matter how good they where, have been stuffed up.

Some silly bugger pulled out in front of me on Burwood Hwy and finnished my car off big time... I flipped, rolled and spun right around... The only injury I got was wiplash and now i could not draw my bow even if i tried. The car is a right off.. The passenger side of the car is crushed so bad.......

Well to all the people going, have a great shoot and shoot a few x's for me!

[Marcus]

Get well soon darren, good thing you had no one in the passenger seat!

[Stryker]

Buddy, if there was, they would not be here any more.... When i get some pics I might post them somewhere..... Thank the seat bealt...

[James Park]

Pretty nasty conditions. Quite windy.
One end into 70M we had lightning and somr rain and stopped. I went home, but I think most stayed.
Scores at 90M were very low:
Jim 313
Craig 308
Peter K 298

[Eberbachl]

I have been shooting now for 3 months and would love to go and just have some fun.... I wish I could. My intentions, no matter how good they where, have been stuffed up.

Some silly bugger pulled out in front of me on Burwood Hwy and finnished my car off big time... I flipped, rolled and spun right around... The only injury I got was wiplash and now i could not draw my bow even if i tried. The car is a right off.. The passenger side of the car is crushed so bad.......

Well to all the people going, have a great shoot and shoot a few x's for me!

Wow! Take it easy...I hope everything works out OK, and that you're alright ;)

[REIDY]

Well we put on a bit of everything - sun, wind, rain, thunder, lightning - tried to organise snow but it didn't eventuate.

Final results were

Craig Rothenbuechner 311 325 321 349 1306
Peter King 298 329 326 348 1301
Peter Cave 288 323 315 340 1266
Rob McEwan 290 303 318 344 1242
Peter Reid 228 263 258 313 1062
Craig Tyson 308
Jim Park 313

Alex Zarebski 325 333 324 348 1330

Michelle Collins 285 301 253 332 1171

Hayden Reid 299 321 313 318 1251

Edwin Dilnutt 287 286 279 264 1140

Pete

[Marcus]

Was Rob McEwan shooting a Mens FITA?

[REIDY]

Yep

[Peter King]

tough day. six arrow ends at 50 and 30 just about did me in.

Just had enough energy to sight-tape test the Nav FMJs I built overnight at the end of the day with Craig.

[Marcus]

That invalidates the QRE. 6 arrow ends go against the QRE rules and Doug Devlin sent out a reminder of this.

:rolleyes:

[Craig R]

Ahhh who cares if it invalidates the QRE, I was just happy to finish in that weather.

Shooting with Craig Tyson was a chuckle today. Next time anybody sees him ask how his Evolution, Sight and Rest went!!!

He spent the whole of 70+50m sortin them out but when he did his 30m was very good for the conditions.

Thanks Sherbrooke, its a pity more didn't turn up!

And Jim, well....... you were the only one to pull the pin. (I was close!)

[James Park]

And Jim, well....... you were the only one to pull the pin. (I was close!)
I never like to stop, but I am not profoundly in love with lightning. Seemed to me that the weather was a bit dubious - although I guess it improved a bit after I left?

[Peter King]

That invalidates the QRE. 6 arrow ends go against the QRE rules and Doug Devlin sent out a reminder of this.

:rolleyes:
We acted on the instructions of the Judge and I believe the judge's administrator was consulted

[Marcus]

Then you should issue a written complaint about the judge as they were very wrong.

[Craig R]

Actually, having only been back in the sport for a little while I don't really know what the QRE's qualify me for anyway!

Anybody care to enlighten me?

I just went to shoot some arrows.

[Sandy Hancock]

State and/or National rankings.

[Craig R]

Ok its against the rules.
But whats the problem with 6 arrow ends at 30+50m?
Everybody was in agreeance.

[Clare Barnes]

It's simply against the rules set by AA which attempt to make those conditions over which there is some control as similar as possible for everyone shooting QREs regardless of where the event is run.

Although the AA site appears not to be working right now the link for details on QREs is http://www.archery.org.au/lib/pdf/RC-017.pdf.

It was all recently re-circulated to RGBs, with the relevant bit being:

6. The event must be conducted to FITA rules, and if not a FITA registered event must comply with the AA stipulations for QRE requirements below:

a) There will be a minimum of 20 minutes and a maximum of 45 minutes practice.
b) All shooting MUST commence at the same time.
c) All shooting must be timed, 4 minutes for 6 arrows and 2 minutes for 3 arrows.
d) The 2 long distance will be shot in 6 arrows ends and the 2 short distances in 3 arrow ends.
e) Scoring will take place after each end, long distances 6 arrows, short distances 3 arrows.
f) If there are 1 or 2 archers shooting on a target scoring MUST be supervised by a Judge.
g) Scoring must be double scoring.
h) The break (between long and short distances) can be as long as the organisers wish.

[REIDY]

Ok, So we mucked up!!! If the event was run outside the guidelines the we have to accept it, learn from it and move on.

It was Sherbrooke's first attempt at a FITA target event in quite a number of years and I apologise to those who shot it and will not get a ranking from it.

However putting that behind us, I would appreciate some feedback on what archers thought and what aspects needed improving.

Pete

[Marcus]

Actually PeterI think the judge should be hed responsable.
If you are going to judge, learn the rules. :mad:

[C Tyson]

I dont think that we need to place blame, we had a fun day in challenging conditions. Next time I'm sure that someone will clarify that we must shoot 3 arrow ends. We just wanted to get it done without getting too wet. We took a vote and we were wrong.
I had a fun time even after moving my rest at 90m practice end, my sight coming loose and a few lapses in concentration and misfiring my evolution (works better if you hold the safety when drawing the bow). Finally got it together at 30m and finished with 354 which I was happy with after all the other crap during the day.
Looking forward to the next one.

[Kerrie W]

So what happens to any others that have been shot with 6 arrow ends at 50 & 30...are they retracted too...:confused: From what I have heard a QRE in January was shot the same way

[Marcus]

Any QRE shot before the rules clarification is allowed and the organisers have been made aware of it.
A rules clarification was sent out a few weeks ago, and after that any QRE not abiding by the rule will be invalid.

[Craig R]

This is such a storm in a tea cup.

No one needs to be held to blame or fingers pointed.

A mistake was made and we'll all learn.

It was actually a prudent decision on the day, with the delay due to lightning and rain, as well as the heat it meant we could all get home to our families at a reasonable time and get out of the heat.

Do the rules have a proviso for time lost?

Thanks Sherbrooke and the Judge

[2Dogs]

Dam Victorians.... makin things up as they go along :rofl:

[paulrb]

Ok, So we mucked up!!! If the event was run outside the guidelines the we have to accept it, learn from it and move on.

It was Sherbrooke's first attempt at a FITA target event in quite a number of years and I apologise to those who shot it and will not get a ranking from it.


Pete


Sherbrooke has nothing to apologise for. There was a fully qualified judge running the event who made the decision with consultation from the judging administrator over the phone (so i am told). Shooters can requests and agree amongst themselves on anything they like, but the judge's role is to ensure that the event is conducted according to the rules and refuse any request that is not allowable.

It is the judges role to ensure they are up to date with rules and directives. That is why they are required at such events. The rest of us aren't expected to know the minor rules pertaining to any shoot of this level.

So Peter, I think it is irrelevant that this was the club's first QRE for a while.. The host club is responsible for ensuring that the range, butts, target faces, timing system are adequate and that a judge is present.....

It is a good learning experience for the club, but not one you should be apologetic about. As for the weather... Well I tend to agree with what Jim Park said to me this morning... He can shoot through any sort of weather but he draws the line at lightning. This is an appropriate reason to pause an event. Then the event is either re-started or abandoned based on the time remaining when the risk (electrical storm) has passed. Shooters asking for six arrow ends after such a break is reasonable - assuming that there is no time left for many individuals to finish otherwise - but it is then up to the judge to inform them that this would invalidate the QRE requirements....

Had the judge done this.... I doubt there would be any issue now... As the shooters remaining on target could have determined what they wanted to happen.....

[Craig R]

Paul, I'm not really sure there is an issue except from those that weren't even present.

I'd like to know if anybody that was there feels agreived by the fact that they won't get a ranking as a result of this blunder, but I doubt it.

The scores were low by everybody's standard. Gee, after winning it with a 1306 I must now be ranked about 1000th in the state(maybe not even that high)

There should be contingencies within the rules to allow for what happened if there aren't already.

Jim is right, we absolutely shouldn't be shooting with electrical storms present in the area. I don't think this was a point of contention on the day and is not an issue now!

[Stryker]

Buddy, if there was, they would not be here any more.... When i get some pics I might post them somewhere..... Thank the seat bealt...

Finnaly got to see the car today....

Pic's are here (http://www.amosfinancial.com/car-crash/)

[Peter King]

Paul, I'm not really sure there is an issue except from those that weren't even present.

I'd like to know if anybody that was there feels agreived by the fact that they won't get a ranking as a result of this blunder, but I doubt it.

The scores were low by everybody's standard. Gee, after winning it with a 1306 I must now be ranked about 1000th in the state(maybe not even that high)

There should be contingencies within the rules to allow for what happened if there aren't already.

Jim is right, we absolutely shouldn't be shooting with electrical storms present in the area. I don't think this was a point of contention on the day and is not an issue now!
Sure, it was rough weather, but I am not so sure the view of the "danger" of lightning was so unanimous. We heard distant thunder and saw no lightning. Nor did it look like it later, so there was no situation for which contingencies were needed.However, it is and was the judge's decision and that left the archers with no choice but to leave the field . No problem with that. We go off, and go back on when the "danger" passes.

Bad weather doesn't change the shooting rules, (eg number of arrows at 50 and 30). If it is really too bad, the shoot can be abandoned for safety reasons, as it was in January 2006 in NZ.

[Craig R]

I had no issue with what happened on Saturday!! And personally I would have kept shooting.

I'm only suggesting that maybe it would be good to have contingencies/exceptions in the rules that would allow for time to be made up when delays occur!! Whether it be Tourny's, QRE etc. Thats all!!!!!!!!!!

And thunder happens as a result of lightning! It doesn't always strike the ground and you dont need to see it to know its present. If that black cloud that hung over our head on Staurday wasn't the source I'll go he.

I believe lightning can strike up to 10 kays from its source so the Judge made the right descision in dragging us off.

[Peter King]

I'm only suggesting that maybe it would be good to have contingencies/exceptions in the rules that would allow for time to be made up when delays occur!! Whether it be Tourny's, QRE etc. Thats all!!!!!!!!!!


Let's leave the lightning argument out for a moment, given that it is easy to calculate the distance of any occurrence by counting the time between the sight of lightning and the sound of thunder. We have also shot many events at MAC etc in much worse weather.
Please understand, I am not saying that the judge can't call it: just that it was not the unanimous view that there was a clear and present danger, but that is the personal judgement call.
The only contentious point is what ensured from there.

On the quoted point, above:
We don't need contingencies/exceptions for time to be made up. We go off, we go on. A FITA finishes when it finishes.

[Craig R]

I don't know why I posted in the first place!
It was just nice to go and shoot some arrows under semi tournament conditions with an old mate.
I didn't cause the weather. I had nothing to do with any decision made on the day and I didn't care about how it all unfolded and still don't.
I just don't think it was a big deal and believe anybody needed to be hung out to dry.
I fully understand the rules (now), I was just giving my opinion on how delays in general could be handled better. Just an opinion!
If people were upset by what happened they should have spoken up on the day.
Frankly I've had enough of this s..t!!

Craig Rothenbuecher

[2Dogs]

Well I think we should just let this one die.