View Full Version : Carbon Nano - test results
pete731
02-03-2007, 11:22 PM
just got some pictures of my friend Dietmar Trillus (foghorn) shooting his new Carbon Express Nano.
He shot a round of 359/360 FITA at 50 meters! Look at the grouping!
His setup is a Mathews Apex Conquest set at 59.5 pounds with a 29.5 inch draw length. Crony reading is 278.2 fps.
Arrows are Nano 490
Marcus
02-03-2007, 11:27 PM
Is that indoor?
pete731
03-03-2007, 01:44 AM
Yes! We still have 3 feets of snow here and -10 degree celcius!!
He is a 1400 + shooter outdoor and never had so good results from an arrow.
He shoot 1400+ with Goldtip UltraLight and Easton X10.
He tied Clint's record at 90m and got the 30m records with X10.
Always interesting to see another good quality products available!
alexvpaq
03-03-2007, 03:36 AM
Yes! We still have 3 feets of snow here and -10 degree celcius!!
He is a 1400 + shooter outdoor and never had so good results from an arrow.
He shoot 1400+ with Goldtip UltraLight and Easton X10.
He tied Clint's record at 90m and got the 30m records with X10.
Always interesting to see another good quality products available!
Is it some sort of A/C arrow or only carbon?
pete731
03-03-2007, 03:43 AM
Small diameter all carbon arrows.
In Canada, they are cheaper than A/C/E, super tolerance, shaft weight close to X10, diameter close to A/C/E or a bit thinner.
You can have pin nocks or the carbon express aluminium meta nocks.
They are straight shaft.
The Nano has 40 ton of carbon versus 30 ton for Easton which make them stiffer.
Check their web site for more information and download the pdf catalog for the Nano!
The Nano has 40 ton of carbon versus 30 ton for Easton which make them stiffer.
Pete,
Please explain that statement. I am sure some of us would find whatever you have to say about it to be quite illuminating.
recurve boy
03-03-2007, 09:21 PM
Catalogue
http://www.soma-archery.com/pdf/soma.pdf
Oh man, what a great catalogue!
"Hawks Baek"
"Quality of the material of cap put center of gravity forward using STANLESS Therefore.when do shooting offer cleaner feeling.".
"40 ton", "30 ton" seems to be some made up unit for measuring tensile strength.
http://www.competitivecyclist.com/za/CCY?PAGE=PRODUCT&PRODUCT.ID=3673
"The tubes are made from what Ridley terms 24-ton carbon fiber. By definition, it has a tensile strength of 24 tons per square cm"
I can't tell if the author got the units wrong, confusing mass and force, or if the "ton" unit is lamer than it already is.
http://i4.tinypic.com/2gu04rb.gif
Progen
03-03-2007, 09:50 PM
...
The Nano has 40 ton of carbon versus 30 ton for Easton which make them stiffer.
...
Were you referring to the modulus count, Pete? A few zeros missing though if you were.
pete731
04-03-2007, 08:09 AM
Catalogue
http://www.soma-archery.com/pdf/soma.pdf
Oh man, what a great catalogue!
"Hawks Baek"
"Quality of the material of cap put center of gravity forward using STANLESS Therefore.when do shooting offer cleaner feeling.".
"40 ton", "30 ton" seems to be some made up unit for measuring tensile strength.
http://www.competitivecyclist.com/za/CCY?PAGE=PRODUCT&PRODUCT.ID=3673
"The tubes are made from what Ridley terms 24-ton carbon fiber. By definition, it has a tensile strength of 24 tons per square cm"
I can't tell if the author got the units wrong, confusing mass and force, or if the "ton" unit is lamer than it already is.
George (GT), I thought the 40 vs 30 ton of carbon was the density of the materials like recurve_boy found out. I also thought this is why the spine of my X10 did match the Carbon Express spine table for the same bow.
I just took this informations from their web site (Carbon Express) and for Easton on AT.
I'm sure that with your engineer knownledge that you can explain this better than I can!
Sorry that this humble response did not illuminating some of you ;)
Bob_Looney
04-03-2007, 04:34 PM
sure would like to know how he gets a 490 spine to shoot. My setup is exactly like his and there is no way a 490 spined pro tour is coming out of my bow correctly. Even if you take into account the point coming back into the shaft 2".
The One
04-03-2007, 07:27 PM
George (GT), I thought the 40 vs 30 ton of carbon was the density of the materials like recurve_boy found out.
Density, eh?
Riiiiiiiight....... :rolleyes:
grantwomack
05-03-2007, 01:25 AM
I'd be interested in trying some of these arrows if they weren't the same price of tried-and-tested, made-for-recurve X10's. Best of luck to Dietmar with claiming that 50m world record! :)
alexvpaq
07-03-2007, 10:15 AM
http://i4.tinypic.com/2gu04rb.gif
:silly: These choices are weird LoL!
imagine the big bloke coming at the range with his ''woman'' V-bar LOL:silly:
reversehaven
07-03-2007, 11:37 AM
:silly: These choices are weird LoL!
imagine the big bloke coming at the range with his ''woman'' V-bar LOL:silly:
hmm. don't they have an alien version too? :confused: aww. i'm going to feel so left out. :(
alexvpaq
07-03-2007, 01:55 PM
hmm. don't they have an alien version too? :confused: aww. i'm going to feel so left out. :(
Do like me, No v-bar ( ok the principal reason was that I was completely broked...)
Marcus
07-03-2007, 01:59 PM
back on topic guys.
primal
07-03-2007, 02:19 PM
Nano's like mckinneys are all carbon.
I wonder if they will keep there spine or loose it over time.
Would be interesting to get a set to try.
Whats the price on a dozen?
2Dogs
07-03-2007, 06:27 PM
$450....... you can be the test pilot :rofl:
...be totally wasted on a Primal :)
reversehaven
07-03-2007, 07:40 PM
$450....... you can be the test pilot :rofl:
...be totally wasted on a Primal :)
hmm. $450? compared to the price of X-10s there?
hmm. $450? compared to the price of X-10s there?
$510 at urban.
primal
07-03-2007, 10:28 PM
$450....... you can be the test pilot :rofl:
...be totally wasted on a Primal :)
they wouldnt be totally wasted...... i could go and shoot 3d with them ;)
2Dogs
07-03-2007, 10:38 PM
:rofl:
You could.
reversehaven
07-03-2007, 11:53 PM
$510 at urban.
hmm. that's the same price as bill's in singapore. Except that the aussie currency is slightly stronger. hmm.interesting.
but if that's the case i think i'd still choose A/C/Es over them.
c0rbuu
16-03-2007, 04:15 AM
At Lancaster they are about the same price as ACEs... $280 US
dean1
16-03-2007, 10:57 AM
Nano's like mckinneys are all carbon.
I wonder if they will keep there spine or loose it over time.
I was wondering that too. The McKinney's didn't have a very long spine life, but these shafts are heavy...(er)
If it's an all carbon shaft, and it weighs a similar amount to an x10, does that mean it will have a good wall thickness and strength?
primal
16-03-2007, 11:02 AM
I was wondering that too. The McKinney's didn't have a very long spine life, but these shafts are heavy...(er)
If it's an all carbon shaft, and it weighs a similar amount to an x10, does that mean it will have a good wall thickness and strength?
i dont think the amrket needs mckinney's t obegin with. they are over priced and loose there spine quickly.
i am wondering if these arrows will be performers even after heavy shooting like x10's.
Desert Archer
16-03-2007, 12:44 PM
I sent an e-mail to the factory asking about the raw shaft length as I couldn't find it listed anywhere. The response I got said they were 28". The post here said the ones tested were cut to 28.5". It seems the factory tech doesn't know how long their own product is. Makes me wonder about a company who would hire him!
Think I'll stick to Easton,
Dave
pete731
20-03-2007, 10:11 PM
You can a little bit more infos here: http://www.soma-archery.com/index.php?code1=Product&code2=Arrow&code3=NANOXR
I'm not Easton prostaff and $550+ compare to $350 was a good deal. Here these shafts are a little cheaper than the A/C/E as well.
I will see if they are as good as they promise in long term run. We are few archers here who will shoot them. I can let you know how things are going at the end of the summer.
The wall is very thick on my 450. They have the same o.d. as my A/C/E 370.
Eberbachl
20-03-2007, 10:38 PM
Info from the above link at www.soma-archery.com
http://www.soma-archery.com/img_data//[0]nanoxr.jpg
pete731
21-03-2007, 10:20 PM
I was wondering that too. The McKinney's didn't have a very long spine life, ......
Can someone explain me that quote? Why is the McKinney's don't have a very long spine life? How do you found out, with a spine tester?
Marcus
21-03-2007, 10:47 PM
I have shot Beman Divas and Carbon Tech McKinneys and in both cases the arrows grouped terribly after about 9 months of use. Buy a new set and the new ones group great for about teh same amount of time. It's due to wear on the front of the arrows. I now have a spine tester but like my Axis arrows too much to bother trying McKinneys.
NockOn
23-03-2007, 05:01 AM
Marcus,
What kind of butt do you shoot in that it would wear the front of your arrows? Is it Strawmit(sp)?
Cheers,
Marcus
23-03-2007, 09:13 AM
yeah Stramit. But any material will cause wear, just some faster than others.
pete731
23-03-2007, 10:10 PM
Hey Marcus, I hearing that the Axis seem to more and more use in FITA. How do you like them. Heavy shaft will small diameter, not a bad combo!
Marcus
23-03-2007, 11:36 PM
Love em Pete.
I am planing on buying 2 more dozen and having about 30 on hand. By far scoring much higher with these than I did my X10's or Navs.
pete731
24-03-2007, 02:01 AM
That make sens!
How much your Axis weight compare to yuor Nav and X10?
Eberbachl
24-03-2007, 02:04 AM
Hey Pete - my Axis FMJs are very similar spec to Marcus' arrows.
Mine weigh 422gn
As a comparison, my old Triples weighed in at 382gn.
;)
reversehaven
24-03-2007, 02:14 AM
Love em Pete.
I am planing on buying 2 more dozen and having about 30 on hand. By far scoring much higher with these than I did my X10's or Navs.
hmm. i'm kinda wondering here if it would be the same for recurve.
alexvpaq
24-03-2007, 02:43 AM
hmm. i'm kinda wondering here if it would be the same for recurve.
Might be a good Matchplay arrow if the weight doesn't make the arrow drop too fast
pete731
24-03-2007, 02:49 AM
Hey Pete - my Axis FMJs are very similar spec to Marcus' arrows.
Mine weigh 422gn
As a comparison, my old Triples weighed in at 382gn.
;)
Which spine do you use? What is your FITA average with these shafts! At least you are not dying trying to remove these shafts fro the target!
Sandy Hancock
24-03-2007, 08:43 AM
hmm. i'm kinda wondering here if it would be the same for recurve.
Axis FMJ's will be too heavy to comfortably reach 90 metres for most recurve setups. If mine were the same length as my recurve arrows they would weigh nearly 500 grains. Navigator FMJ's would be a better choice, but are much more expensive.
Remember X-10's were designed specifically for long range outdoor recurve archery, and still have the best wind drift characteristics of any arrow on the market (ignoring ProTours for the moment). And don't forget the barrelling: although it is probably no advantage for compounds, it definitely helps with clearance for recurves.
Eberbachl
24-03-2007, 08:46 AM
Which spine do you use? What is your FITA average with these shafts! At least you are not dying trying to remove these shafts fro the target!
I'm using 400s, and have shot between 1322 and 1355 with these shafts.
1355 was a PB for me.
;)
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