Starcraft II

[primal]

see this and wet your pants with excitment nerds.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=19769&type=mov&pl=game

[Marcus]

About time Blizzard did something new.

[burt666]

see this and wet your pants with excitment nerds.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=19769&type=mov&pl=game

Nice but I'm already on S.T.A.L.K.E.R. at the moment :D

[Archangel]

Yeah, have fought my way past Blizzard's poxy downloader software already to see it. Looks awesome, and will no doubt consume far too much of my time. At least I don't have exams to sacrifice any more ;-)

[Stryker]

Looks great, but who has the time to play games?

[paulrb]

Looks great, but who has the time to play games?



What do you mean? What else is there?:drool:

[Stryker]

What do you mean? What else is there?:drool:

its a little thing called

LIFE

[Archangel]

its a little thing called

LIFE
Life? Don't talk to me about life...

[paulrb]

its a little thing called

LIFE


Oh you are playing Second Life now.... Cool. I'll meet you in the little 80's bar with the Breakfast Club picture on the wall...... Our avatars can dance to 'Relax'..... I know you'd like that Stryker... :thumb:

You bring your Virtual BMW dude and we'll cruzzzzz

[Liam]

I want to murder whoever invented second life. worst idea EVER.

[Marcus]

SecondLife = Lame.

[paulrb]

SecondLife = Lame.



I totally agree.

I logged of for about 10 minutes to see what it was about. I then got bored and logged out again. I can't see what the attraction might be.

Nothing to kill.....:thumb:

[Archangel]

Yeah, what's with the purple and blue balls cosying up to one another? Looks like a washing powder commercial to me :confused:

[CMB50]

<------ One happy nerd

[paulrb]

Yeah, what's with the purple and blue balls cosying up to one another? Looks like a washing powder commercial to me :confused:


I am not sure.... and don't care...

Now if second life had an archery range... where I could shoot a 1400 FITA... I might actually play it...:fist:

[Archangel]

I am not sure.... and don't care...

Now if second life had an archery range... where I could shoot a 1400 FITA... I might actually play it...:fist:
Yeah, but it's online, so you'd shoot the 1400 and get complimented on it by what appeared to be an attractive young woman, but who would in fact be a 57-year-old ugly obese man from America. I'll pass...

[Jay.G]

wow Star craft II... speechless...awed!

[paulrb]

Yeah, but it's online, so you'd shoot the 1400 and get complimented on it by what appeared to be an attractive young woman, but who would in fact be a 57-year-old ugly obese man from America. I'll pass...


What,,, I thought you were a 57-year-old ugly obese man from America..... or is that your avatar?:silly:

[The One]

W00T => :vamp:

[ninevalleys]

the only good games coming up are... Quake Wars: Enemy Territory, Crysis, and Call of Duty 4

and a bunch of mods for BF2142

NV

[Archangel]

What,,, I thought you were a 57-year-old ugly obese man from America..... or is that your avatar?:silly:
How did you know? :D

[Archangel]

the only good games coming up are... Quake Wars: Enemy Territory, Crysis, and Call of Duty 4

and a bunch of mods for BF2142

NV
Philistine!

Starcraft 2 will be more than 200 times better than any of those. For that matter, UT3 will be too.

[Pat Mole]

the only good games coming up are... Quake Wars: Enemy Territory, Crysis, and Call of Duty 4

and a bunch of mods for BF2142

NV


Call of Duty 4.... seriously? whats different than the last three?
War games have been done.

[ninevalleys]

well to be exact it s called Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, there is a trailer of in on YouTube, we think it has somthing to do with the cold war as there seems to be something to do with Cuba in it

NV

oh! and Quake wars has a map based in Australia

[Marcus]

oh! and Quake wars has a map based in Australia
well that settles it. Greatest game has now been built, may as well stop now.

[ninevalleys]

lol, if you really want to talk games, check out =UnT= Gaming Network (google Australia). one of the best places to find out abotu games

NV

[StevenB]

I've only just caught up to BF2


as for 2nd life being lame, spot on

one of my mates when he got cable downloaded project utopia, took 3 hours of running around to find anyone (he was dropped in the middle of nowhere), first person he found asked him why he was naked, that was about the most exciting thing that game had to offer

[primal]

if you've played one fps you have played them all. :fist:


Starcraft (the original) is still being played today by LOTS of poeple and is still considered on of the greatest games of all time. not bad for a game that first came out in the mid 90's i remember playing this game till all hours of the night. ths year i finished it again for the 6th or 7th time. it gets played all the way through at least one every 18 months.

if the first one builds on the simplisity and intuitive nature of the first game then it will be the greatest gane of all time.


Though i do have a thing for SOF2.

[recurve boy]

its a little thing called

LIFE

What platform is that on? Where can I get a copy?

[Stryker]

What platform is that on? Where can I get a copy?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :thumb:

[ninevalleys]

if you've played one fps you have played them all. :fist:


Starcraft (the original) is still being played today by LOTS of poeple and is still considered on of the greatest games of all time. not bad for a game that first came out in the mid 90's i remember playing this game till all hours of the night. ths year i finished it again for the 6th or 7th time. it gets played all the way through at least one every 18 months.

if the first one builds on the simplisity and intuitive nature of the first game then it will be the greatest gane of all time.


Though i do have a thing for SOF2.

Bah!, looking at the new starcraft and so forth, its pretty much exactly the same as the mingames and crap on World of Warcraft (worst game ever). there are plenty of differences between FPS's, the Battlefield series is all abotu team work, the Call of Duty series is abotu history (well kinda close), Farcry jsut has a damn hard single player mode that is real fun, and Counter strike is old, fun but old.

then there are teh others like FEAR and STALKER, which are not really multiplayer (though you can).

i personally havent gotten round to installing SOF2, though i have lying around somewhere. we play the SOF2 demo at school off our USB if the computer classes are boring (which is normally the case). is the full game actually any good?

NV

[Liam]

Bah!, looking at the new starcraft and so forth, its pretty much exactly the same as the mingames and crap on World of Warcraft (worst game ever). there are plenty of differences between FPS's, the Battlefield series is all abotu team work, the Call of Duty series is abotu history (well kinda close), Farcry jsut has a damn hard single player mode that is real fun, and Counter strike is old, fun but old.

then there are teh others like FEAR and STALKER, which are not really multiplayer (though you can).

i personally havent gotten round to installing SOF2, though i have lying around somewhere. we play the SOF2 demo at school off our USB if the computer classes are boring (which is normally the case). is the full game actually any good?

NV

SOF2 is rad. First game I ever played multiplayer in semi-seriously. Good fun.

[Pat Mole]

Bah!, looking at the new starcraft and so forth, its pretty much exactly the same as the mingames and crap on World of Warcraft (worst game ever). there are plenty of differences between FPS's, the Battlefield series is all abotu team work, the Call of Duty series is abotu history (well kinda close), Farcry jsut has a damn hard single player mode that is real fun, and Counter strike is old, fun but old.

then there are teh others like FEAR and STALKER, which are not really multiplayer (though you can).

i personally havent gotten round to installing SOF2, though i have lying around somewhere. we play the SOF2 demo at school off our USB if the computer classes are boring (which is normally the case). is the full game actually any good?

NV


I like the way you can meticulously pick apart the differences in your favourite FPS games, yet lump WoW and StarCraft together.

[recurve boy]

World of Warcraft (worst game ever).

Only because you can't afford to play :p

[StevenB]

Bah!, looking at the new starcraft and so forth, its pretty much exactly the same as the mingames and crap on World of Warcraft (worst game ever). there are plenty of differences between FPS's, the Battlefield series is all abotu team work, the Call of Duty series is abotu history (well kinda close), Farcry jsut has a damn hard single player mode that is real fun, and Counter strike is old, fun but old.

then there are teh others like FEAR and STALKER, which are not really multiplayer (though you can).

i personally havent gotten round to installing SOF2, though i have lying around somewhere. we play the SOF2 demo at school off our USB if the computer classes are boring (which is normally the case). is the full game actually any good?

NV


BF2, team work :silly:

[ninevalleys]

when i pay $100 for a game i expect to be able to play it as much as i like without having to fork out even more cash. there is a new purely online FPS called HUXELY which looks awsome, but it requires you to pay similar fees to WoW, so in effect i wont be playing it for the same reason as above.

NV.

oh and Serious Sam 2 is ont like any other FPS.. check it out :P

[Archangel]

when i pay $100 for a game i expect to be able to play it as much as i like without having to fork out even more cash. there is a new purely online FPS called HUXELY which looks awsome, but it requires you to pay similar fees to WoW, so in effect i wont be playing it for the same reason as above.
Well, I can't say I disagree with the sentiment, but there are significant running costs of that kind of game, so it doesn't bother me philosophically in that case.
Having said that, according to me it costs NZ$35 at the first store I looked at. Not quite the same as A$100...

oh and Serious Sam 2 is ont like any other FPS.. check it out :P
All FPS's are just Doom clones at heart. They're all alike.

[Marcus]

Nah, they are all Marathon clones, but because Bungie released it only on Mac the gamer kidies wouldn't know about it. It came out the same time as Doom and had full 3D movement and network play. Killed Doom for gameplay.

[Archangel]

Nah, they are all Marathon clones, but because Bungie released it only on Mac the gamer kidies wouldn't know about it. It came out the same time as Doom and had full 3D movement and network play. Killed Doom for gameplay.
Yeah, I remember Marathon, but Doom was still better. Sure, technically Marathon had the edge, but then so did Descent and that wasn't a better game than either.

[Marcus]

Rubbish.
Doom had only one plane of movement. Poor graphics and no network play. To shoot something above you you aimed below it and it autofired up. Lame.

Marathon had full range movement, network play, editable maps, and heaps of mods. Plus to hit something you had to aim at it. It was years ahead of it's time. Quake was a Marathon copy.

[Liam]

Rubbish.
Doom had only one plane of movement. Poor graphics and no network play. To shoot something above you you aimed below it and it autofired up. Lame.

Marathon had full range movement, network play, editable maps, and heaps of mods. Plus to hit something you had to aim at it. It was years ahead of it's time. Quake was a Marathon copy.

Doom had Network play! I remember playing modem-to-modem and network. It was possibly a mod though, this was 99 or 2000-ish.

[Archangel]

Doom had Network play! I remember playing modem-to-modem and network. It was possibly a mod though, this was 99 or 2000-ish.
Nope, I played it at school (no doubt we weren't supposed to) with the original Doom.

[Marcus]

LOL
This was 1994 when Marathon was released.
http://brentgustafson.com/files/marathon/marathon.jpg

Also featured NPC humans who ran around the ship. You could blast them away or ignore them. Frying one with a flame throwing was pure gold.

[Archangel]

Marathon had full range movement, network play, editable maps, and heaps of mods. Plus to hit something you had to aim at it. It was years ahead of it's time. Quake was a Marathon copy.
Come off it! Doom had network play.
It definately had editable maps - I remember using a map editor once. There were heaps of them on the Net.
Just like there were scads of mods.
I'll give you the full range of motion thing, but that didn't make Marathon a better game. Doom was still better to play.

And it had a chainsaw :thumb:

[Marcus]

Come off it! Doom had network play.
It definately had editable maps - I remember using a map editor once. There were heaps of them on the Net.
Just like there were scads of mods.
I'll give you the full range of motion thing, but that didn't make Marathon a better game. Doom was still better to play.

And it had a chainsaw :thumb:
Doom got old REAL fast. But then ID's games have not changed much there. Quake 4 was not as good as Unreal Tournament, and I liked Quake 4.

[Liam]

LOL
This was 1994 when Marathon was released.
http://brentgustafson.com/files/marathon/marathon.jpg

Also featured NPC humans who ran around the ship. You could blast them away or ignore them. Frying one with a flame throwing was pure gold.

I was a year away from knowing what a computer was in 1994 dude, I was only 3... In 1999/2000 me and my friends were playing older games because we didn't have any money. :thumb:

I can't disagree that it's a pretty terrible game, but it did have network play.

[Archangel]

Doom got old REAL fast. But then ID's games have not changed much there. Quake 4 was not as good as Unreal Tournament, and I liked Quake 4.
Yeah I agree, I was never quite such a big fan of any of the Quakes - Q1 was a bit bland, Unreal gave Q2 a good kicking and stayed on top ever since.

[Marcus]

Yeah, you youngin.
I was building 10BASE-2 networks and playing 24 hour Marathon network sessions in 94/95. Not a good thing to drive home from.

[Liam]

Yeah, you youngin.
I was building 10BASE-2 networks and playing 24 hour Marathon network sessions in 94/95. Not a good thing to drive home from.

:rofl:

[Marcus]

Yeah I agree, I was never quite such a big fan of any of the Quakes - Q1 was a bit bland, Unreal gave Q2 a good kicking and stayed on top ever since.
but you know, the FPS games pretty much died for me after that. I would buy one, start playing and just get bored out of my brain straight away.

The main problem with FPS is that you have a ceiling on skill and reaction times. You get to a point where you simply can not get better and your competitors reach the same point which opens up the winner to being more on luck and chance. This is why those that think FPS gaming is a type of sport are mentally retarded.

Starcraft/Warcraft etc style games when done well are just as enjoyable years later and always open up an X-factor, which is the ability of the players to put up a better strategy. Strategy in FPS is as complex as working out how to put food into your mouth.

[Archangel]

but you know, the FPS games pretty much died for me after that. I would buy one, start playing and just get bored out of my brain straight away.

The main problem with FPS is that you have a ceiling on skill and reaction times. You get to a point where you simply can not get better and your competitors reach the same point which opens up the winner to being more on luck and chance. This is why those that think FPS gaming is a type of sport are mentally retarded.

Starcraft/Warcraft etc style games when done well are just as enjoyable years later and always open up an X-factor, which is the ability of the players to put up a better strategy. Strategy in FPS is as complex as working out how to put food into your mouth.
Treating computer gaming as a sport is retarded full stop.

I've never found FPS games very replayable - maybe because almost every single one lacks totally in storyline. Something Blizzard does particularly well - incidentally one of the best points of the original Starcraft: it was the first FPS I know of that did all three campaigns in sequence, rather than having mutually exclusive endings, which makes a sequel a little awkward.

[StevenB]

Doom had IPX/SPX support only

[ninevalleys]

well to buy wow, its somthing like $20 for the intial game, then about $30 for each expansion ($80) then another game card is like $20 or somthing like that... the actual debate between WoW players and BF players at my school is running rampant at the moment.

now if everyone is going to be picky lets say that Pong was the first sports game adn every other one has been a copy form that :p, all puzzle games are copied from tetris, and all adventures are copied from packman... oh! and all flying sims and space doo-hickies are mods off Space Invaders.

NV

[recurve boy]

now if everyone is going to be picky lets say that Pong was the first sports game adn every other one has been a copy form that :p, all puzzle games are copied from tetris, and all adventures are copied from packman... oh! and all flying sims and space doo-hickies are mods off Space Invaders.

That's just dumb. We can compare FPSes to Doom since the mechanics are pretty much the same. The difference is technology and graphics. All your comparisons make no sense at all. Since when do flight sims simulate the attack of space aliens? Huh?

[Marcus]

the actual debate between WoW players and BF players at my school is running rampant at the moment.

The long winter months must just fly by.

[Archangel]

well to buy wow, its somthing like $20 for the intial game, then about $30 for each expansion ($80) then another game card is like $20 or somthing like that... the actual debate between WoW players and BF players at my school is running rampant at the moment.
What on earth are you on about? There is only one expansion for World of Warcraft. I don't play the damn game, but I do know that - you could at least have made an effort to get your facts straight first.
That would bring the initial purchase to $50 - which is not the $100 you said initially. For your sake, I hope you're better at maths at school than this.

now if everyone is going to be picky lets say that Pong was the first sports game adn every other one has been a copy form that :p, all puzzle games are copied from tetris, and all adventures are copied from packman... oh! and all flying sims and space doo-hickies are mods off Space Invaders.
Sports game? I suppose you're thinking of tennis, but I don't see people at Wimbledon dressed as big white rectangles headbutting balls at one another...
And puzzle games are all copied from Tetris? So games like Lemmings or The Incredible Machine involve small falling blocks that you have to fit together? Yeah, whatever...

[ninevalleys]

lol, well i got my facts from and actual WoW player yesterday, seeing as Burning Crusades and Frozen Thrones equal TWO expansions.

ill stick with what i said above, if you guys want to go picky then whats said above sticks. deal with it. its funny how you guys dis games such as the Battlefields, yet im guessing you guys have never actually played the games online and so forth. to actually experience a game like Battlefeild 2142 go out and buy a copy and play online, Archy ill resevre you a special place on the =UGN= server :p

NV

[Pat Mole]

lol, well i got my facts from and actual WoW player yesterday, seeing as Burning Crusades and Frozen Thrones equal TWO expansions.

ill stick with what i said above, if you guys want to go picky then whats said above sticks. deal with it. its funny how you guys dis games such as the Battlefields, yet im guessing you guys have never actually played the games online and so forth. to actually experience a game like Battlefeild 2142 go out and buy a copy and play online, Archy ill resevre you a special place on the =UGN= server :p

NV

Frozen Throne is Warcraft III...

[ninevalleys]

well i personally dont know, but a very avid WoW player told me there are 2 expansions so im inclined to go with what he says.

NV

[Pat Mole]

well i personally dont know, but a very avid WoW player told me there are 2 expansions so im inclined to go with what he says.

NV


http://www.blizzard.com/war3x/

[Marcus]

World of Warcraft: $29.95
WoW expansion: $49.95
60 day timecard: $35.95

so WoW is $30 for the first month, $80 IF you also get the expansion and then $18 a month after that.
Hardly $100 plus subscription.

These prices are from a premium software house so likely you can get cheaper elsewhere.

yet im guessing you guys have never actually played the games online and so forth
Played em online and hated them. Online gaming is not the excitement it is cracked up to be. Playing in a room full of mates is far more fun than sitting there by yourself playing with some other loser online. Online players are no smarter than the CPU players and far more obnoxious.

[Pat Mole]

Played em online and hated them. Online gaming is not the excitement it is cracked up to be. Playing in a room full of mates is far more fun than sitting there by yourself playing with some other loser online. Online players are no smarter than the CPU players and far more obnoxious.

Yea, the best fun in a FPS was at school in computer classes. We were only playing like ancient versions of CS. but it was still fun.

[Archangel]

lol, well i got my facts from and actual WoW player yesterday, seeing as Burning Crusades and Frozen Thrones equal TWO expansions.

ill stick with what i said above, if you guys want to go picky then whats said above sticks. deal with it. its funny how you guys dis games such as the Battlefields, yet im guessing you guys have never actually played the games online and so forth. to actually experience a game like Battlefeild 2142 go out and buy a copy and play online, Archy ill resevre you a special place on the =UGN= server :p

NV
I think Pat's already put you right on the expansion thing. Personally I had a quick check on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_warcraft to make sure I wasn't imagining things. Seems to be a lot more accurate than the infamous friend who "knows all about it" ;-)

I have played FPS games online before. Wasn't greatly fun. As far as paying $90 for that Battlefield thing and playing it online with a bunch of prepubescent teens who can't communicate in a civilised language, I would rather run red-hot skewers into my eyeballs. But thanks for the offer.

[ninevalleys]

touche', still if you were to spend $80 on Quake wars (which is what it costs) you get to play if as much as you like, and NEVER have to pay any extra. its like buying a movie and having to pay to watch it again and again.

did you ever try getting a bunch of freinds and all play online together? jsut as much fun sitting in the same room... AND you can use all the little unlocks which incidently you can use without internet connection (2142 at least). if you dont like with random peoples as well as those you do know on the internet, use Hamachi and play with people you do know... i did have a Hamchi network set up for AF people, but only 2 people everbothered to log onto it.

people who say all the FPS or even a majority are all basically teh same obviously do not play them, much in the same way i say starcraft is dodgy. people would not buy FPS's if they were all teh same

NV

[ninevalleys]

oh archey you are a laugh :p, teens my ass, i am the second youngest player in my squad with the oldest being more than 40, people from all around australia adn new zealand. at least you can kinda socialize with people while you are playing them, unlike single player games adn starcraft where you site there by yourself...:p

NV

[Archangel]

oh archey you are a laugh :p, teens my ass, i am the second youngest player in my squad with the oldest being more than 40, people from all around australia adn new zealand. at least you can kinda socialize with people while you are playing them, unlike single player games adn starcraft where you site there by yourself...:p
Yeah, because Starcraft didn't have a multiplayer mode at all, which isn't still played by bazillions of people... :rofl:

If I want to socialise with people, I don't do it through a computer. That's what real life is for ;-)

touche', still if you were to spend $80 on Quake wars (which is what it costs) you get to play if as much as you like, and NEVER have to pay any extra. its like buying a movie and having to pay to watch it again and again.
Not really, because WoW runs on Blizzard's servers. That's more like paying to go to the movies over and over again.
If someone's letting you play Quake Wars on their server, good on them, they can afford to because it inherently costs a metric crapload less than WoW.

[ninevalleys]

true, yet you seem to still be on your computer a lot. oh! and more people play BF2142 than starcraft (as of one month ago). though admittedly WoW has the most out of all. and more people play FPS's than any other kind of game online, so they cant all be the same

NV

[Brocky]

well i personally dont know, but a very avid WoW player told me there are 2 expansions so im inclined to go with what he says.

NV
So you once again are going off what someone else has told you, this is becoming a spinning record:rolleyes:

[ninevalleys]

well the guy has sumthing like 3 level 80 characters (which i think is pretty high?) and took 2 weeks off school when the burning crusades came out, so id assume he knows what he is talking about

NV

[Archangel]

true, yet you seem to still be on your computer a lot.
Not quite, a lot of the time I'm on a computer at work ;-)

oh! and more people play BF2142 than starcraft (as of one month ago).
Not bad, considering that Starcraft's nearly a decade old now...

though admittedly WoW has the most out of all. and more people play FPS's than any other kind of game online, so they cant all be the same
Yeah they can all be the same. People are sheep. Look at how much crap music sells, just because of a perception of popularity.

well the guy has sumthing like 3 level 80 characters (which i think is pretty high?) and took 2 weeks off school when the burning crusades came out, so id assume he knows what he is talking about
Well he obviously doesn't, because he's completely wrong. Frozen Throne was for Warcraft 3 (I should know, I own the damn thing) and Burning Crusade is for WoW. Not complicated.

[recurve boy]

well the guy has sumthing like 3 level 80 characters (which i think is pretty high?) and took 2 weeks off school when the burning crusades came out, so id assume he knows what he is talking about

NV

The highest level with the expansion is 70. Before the expansion 60.

You should just look up blizzards website instead of listening to your friend.

[ninevalleys]

jusr got back from a LAN, played warcraft 3.... a real waste of time. hmm Farcry, CS, CoD, BF2 all seem VERY different in gameplay, oh and FEAR was also different, all have different setting, objectives, difference on what happens when you die. ah wells maybe you jsut cant see it

NV

[StevenB]

jusr got back from a LAN, played warcraft 3.... a real waste of time. hmm Farcry, CS, CoD, BF2 all seem VERY different in gameplay, oh and FEAR was also different, all have different setting, objectives, difference on what happens when you die. ah wells maybe you jsut cant see it

NV


FPS games in multiplayer are all the same, either capture the flag or death match

I play BF2 and quake and dawn of war, I won't be playing WoW cause I don't like fairies

[primal]

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH crap BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH fps BLAH BLAH BLAH .
whocares :thumb:

starcraft is the most awesome and intuitive real time stratergy game ever.

number 2 will no doubt be better as blizzard have a reputation for good games, good graphics and good story line , whilst not taking themselves too seriously.

[Eberbachl]

well the guy has sumthing like 3 level 80 characters (which i think is pretty high?) and took 2 weeks off school when the burning crusades came out, so id assume he knows what he is talking about

NV

He's the guy walking around with the big L on his forehead.

[primal]

He's the guy walking around with the big L on his forehead.
:rofl:


i always though it was supposed to be an 'H' now its and L???

hay NV does he look like this ?

http://www.bbcprograms.com/pbs/catalog/reddwarf/thumbs/t0502redd.jpg (http://www.bbcprograms.com/pbs/catalog/reddwarf/images/0502redd.jpg)

[Aussierox]

The grapics on this arnt much better than SC 1 and condsidering sc 1 was made in what was it? 1992, it should have way better grapics. I mean just look at many games now days eg: world of warcraft, fable, CaC tiberian war ect.

Other than that it looks like a fun game but im more of a warcraft and diablo fan myself! you rock blizzard!

P.S does anyone on the forum play WoW if so could you post your level, race, class and server?

[Archangel]

The grapics on this arnt much better than SC 1 and condsidering sc 1 was made in what was it? 1992, it should have way better grapics. I mean just look at many games now days eg: world of warcraft, fable, CaC tiberian war ect.
Are you looking at the same screenshots as me, you dirty smegging smegger?
(sorry, couldn't resist :-P Primal set me off with his Rimmer post)
Starcraft (http://www.blizzard.com/starcraft/popup/ss02.htm)
Starcraft 2 (http://www.infoceptor.com/wow/gallery/albums/album35/939643_20070519_screen009.jpg)

The Starcraft 2 screenshot is some arbitrary resolution so people can download it; it will scale to just about anything. Whereas the Starcraft one is a tiny squitty little postage stamp, and that's as big as it gets. Last time I played Starcraft I tried running it in a window so I could keep an eye on Jabber and AF at the same time, which really hammered home the fact that it was only using 16% of my screen. Starcraft 2 will suffer from no such limitation...

And no, it was 1998 it came out (1999 for those Maccy things apparently). Those of us that were alive in 1992 were playing things like Star Control 2 (http://sc2.sourceforge.net/).

[Aussierox]

lol! I was born in 1992 and for those of you who are interested James Hirth showed me an alright online fps that its a 240mb download its called Soldier front its quite fun http://sfront.ijji.com/ if you are interested.

[primal]

wow Arch thos screen shots of Starcraft 2 have so many pixels.... hmmm pixelisous.

bloody smee' hee's

[Archangel]

bloody smee' hee's
http://www.jeffbots.com/kryten2.jpg

[Marcus]

I wish Kryton would die.

[ninevalleys]

lol, good too see everyones palying nicely. stevenB where does Titan mode fit into deathmatch and catpure the flag? or how does nearly anything in quakewars resemble either fo the two modes (it may actually help to look at the game). At this point in time im playing Warcraft 3 with teh Frozen throne expansion (untill quake wars is released), only due to fact that i completly sucked at the LAN, the controls are unko and not very beginner freindly. it has merit though, it was strangly addictive. ill get around to playing starcraft (see how accomodating i am, unlike a lot of people using this thread) eventually, but i do not like Blizzard as a games producer, but then EA is possibly worse.

you cant jsut say all FPS are the same, the last one i played that had deathmatch and cap the flag only was Halo and Farcry (most recent ones) though the BF Conquest mode could be taken for a extended capture the flag. but seriously check out Quake Wars: Enemy Territory it is vastly different to nearly any other FPS

NV

[frommy]

:rofl:


i always though it was supposed to be an 'H' now its and L???

hay NV does he look like this ?

http://www.bbcprograms.com/pbs/catalog/reddwarf/thumbs/t0502redd.jpg (http://www.bbcprograms.com/pbs/catalog/reddwarf/images/0502redd.jpg)


To me, this is the most understandable post on this whole thread. Smeggin hell, reappearance of goal post head at last. :D

[Pat Mole]

lol, good too see everyones palying nicely. stevenB where does Titan mode fit into deathmatch and catpure the flag? or how does nearly anything in quakewars resemble either fo the two modes (it may actually help to look at the game). At this point in time im playing Warcraft 3 with teh Frozen throne expansion (untill quake wars is released), only due to fact that i completly sucked at the LAN, the controls are unko and not very beginner freindly. it has merit though, it was strangly addictive. ill get around to playing starcraft (see how accomodating i am, unlike a lot of people using this thread) eventually, but i do not like Blizzard as a games producer, but then EA is possibly worse.

you cant jsut say all FPS are the same, the last one i played that had deathmatch and cap the flag only was Halo and Farcry (most recent ones) though the BF Conquest mode could be taken for a extended capture the flag. but seriously check out Quake Wars: Enemy Territory it is vastly different to nearly any other FPS

NV

just skimmed over their catelogue of games, and counted 21 different versions of the sims and 6 different sporting games that are re-released yearly. Ultima Online: The Eighth Age suggests they are up to the 8th version of that game so far. Don't get me wrong, i've spent 1000+ hours playing Ultima Online over the last 5 or 6 years. But they are taking this game no where. Its old and out-dated, and they are still trying to whore it out.
EA does have its good games, Medal Of Honor, Half-Life 2, Battlefield series, etc. But with 21 versions of the sims... A game that wasn't even that great to begin with...
You have to ask why all of these big companies are spending their resources reproducing(*edit* had "reproduces" by mistake) this crap instead of coming up with something new and innovating.
And while we are on it, EA we're content with having staff work stupidly long hours with unpaid overtime until the issue actually got to the press. This was still happening up until about 2 years ago, i am lead to believe.

[ninevalleys]

yes EA does have good games (Battlefield is proof) im more annoyed at EA's bugs and Glitches when they release such games, and their lack of support when it comes to stolen CD Keys

[Pat Mole]

yes EA does have good games (Battlefield is proof) im more annoyed at EA's bugs and Glitches when they release such games, and their lack of support when it comes to stolen CD Keys

Exactly. They could be working out the crap in their decent games, figuring out ways to stop the piracy of their games, or designing new games that aren't just essentially the same as the last how ever many years (their sports games... i could be wrong, but thats just because i couldn't justify buying one...:rofl: ). Instead they are spending a good portion of their time spitting out crap.

[recurve boy]

but i do not like Blizzard as a games producer

Kids these days. They just don't know quality when they see it. Blizzard has probably made the most well balanced and tuned games ever. They tend not to innovate much, but their refinement of existing ideas is unparalleled. And they continue to fine tune and play balance games long after they have been released and even include new features in their patches (look at the 1.10 Diablo II patch).

[StevenB]

lol, good too see everyones palying nicely. stevenB where does Titan mode fit into deathmatch and catpure the flag? or how does nearly anything in quakewars resemble either fo the two modes (it may actually help to look at the game).
you cant jsut say all FPS are the same, the last one i played that had deathmatch and cap the flag only was Halo and Farcry (most recent ones) though the BF Conquest mode could be taken for a extended capture the flag. but seriously check out Quake Wars: Enemy Territory it is vastly different to nearly any other FPS

NV

Quake wars is exactly the same as Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory (but not free) and it is only a capture the flag game (you have an objective to complete to win)

Titan mode is also capture the flag (well blow the flag up)

[StevenB]

But with 21 versions of the sims... A game that wasn't even that great to begin with...

Not a great game (not as good as simcity) but it makes EA a lot of money, and it got a lot of females playing computer games

[burt666]

and it got a lot of females playing computer games

That's the ultimate girl fantasy: mess-up with people life's, get them to do exactly what THEY want, the way THEY like, and not assuming the consequences (on the present case, by a flich on the "delete" button") :rofl:

[Archangel]

Kids these days. They just don't know quality when they see it. Blizzard has probably made the most well balanced and tuned games ever. They tend not to innovate much, but their refinement of existing ideas is unparalleled. And they continue to fine tune and play balance games long after they have been released and even include new features in their patches (look at the 1.10 Diablo II patch).
That's pretty fair - they do innovate in small ways, like Starcraft's approach to the storyline, or Warcraft 3's blend of RPG and RTS, but their strength is that their games are just well polished.

On the other hand, they weren't very nice about BnetD, and I'm not a fan of that Warden thing they distribute with World of Warcraft. Still, I own a bunch of their games, because they are that good.

[Archangel]

but seriously check out Quake Wars: Enemy Territory it is vastly different to nearly any other FPS
Can you expand a bit on how it is? Wikipedia agrees with StevenB - that it's very similar to Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory.

[ninevalleys]

QW, is a more refined version of Wolfenstien with new ranking system, there is no more of this level up adn keep unlocks, depending on your aquired skill and so forth online as you play per mtch you can choose skills (not weapons) and various other enhancements. Wolfenstein was also very basic with quake wars offering more team based objectives adn more intuitive strategy, yes it is similar (is modelled off the same concept). oh adn its NOT cap the flag, there is NO flags no silos no bases, its more like infiltrate the base place expolsives continure fighting down the gorge builde a bridge (engineers) set up various strategic points adn so on untill other certain things are done. wolfenstein did offer a similar but more crude version.

yes i also realise Titan is similar to cap the flag but at the end it is different adn falls outside the catagory... so no longer the same.

as for Blizzard being good, that is purely opinion based, i personally think Nintendo is the greatest game producer (legend of Zelda is still considered the greatest series of all time)...

NV

[Archangel]

but seriously check out Quake Wars: Enemy Territory it is vastly different to nearly any other FPS
yes it is similar (is modelled off the same concept).
:confused:

[ninevalleys]

different gameplay, same concept... teamwork.

[Aussierox]

I'm not a fan of that Warden thing they distribute with World of Warcraft.


what warden thing?

[Pat Mole]

google (http://www.google.com.au/search?q=world+of+warcraft+Warden&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)

[Archangel]

This one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Warden_%28software%29)

[Aussierox]

This one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Warden_%28software%29)
whats so wrong with that its no fun to hack the game anyway, but I would really like 5000g to get an epic nether drake!

[Pat Mole]

whats so wrong with that its no fun to hack the game anyway, but I would really like 5000g to get an epic nether drake!


The Warden searches for familiar signatures of cheating tools as well as looks at the contents of any open windows while World of Warcraft is running

You have no objections to this?

[Aussierox]

You have no objections to this?
Arch seemed like he had a problem with the warden because it stops hacking and I dont like hacking anyway.

[Archangel]

You have no objections to this?
Exactly...

Personally I hate the concept. My computer is mine, I expect them to play nice with it, not read all my window titles and call home with random bursts of encrypted data.

It's also totally pointless, because it would be trivial to change the title of the window of your hacking program to "Microsoft Outlook". Or you could just run World of Warcraft in some sort of vaguely virtual environment (Wine would probably work) where it couldn't get a complete window list. As usual, anyone that wants to get around it will.

[Aussierox]

Exactly...

Personally I hate the concept. My computer is mine, I expect them to play nice with it, not read all my window titles and call home with random bursts of encrypted data.

It's also totally pointless, because it would be trivial to change the title of the window of your hacking program to "Microsoft Outlook". Or you could just run World of Warcraft in some sort of vaguely virtual environment (Wine would probably work) where it couldn't get a complete window list. As usual, anyone that wants to get around it will.
Good point oh well the warden wouldnt do much anyway gameguard is suposed to stop hacking of things like maplestory I have a friend who got around game guard easy!

[Archangel]

Good point oh well the warden wouldnt do much anyway gameguard is suposed to stop hacking of things like maplestory I have a friend who got around game guard easy!
Well yeah, Starcraft 2 (to return briefly to topic!) may have something similar I imagine, and I'll still buy and play it regardless. Of course I could play it in my Windows partition, which has no network connection, so it wouldn't be doing much phoning home from there...

[lil_dennett]

when i get this game i will become a very lonely person till i finish it.. can any one remember the original that was on Nintendo 64.. i still play it form time to time.

oh does any one know of or have a torrent for the original for pc with the expansion pack i wanna get back to playing it.

i vote from what i have seen of the game so far that it will be awesome just as the first one was.

where any of you looking forward to the first person shooter "starcraft Ghost" coming out b4 they canned it.. i was oh so ever pissed off.. i want them to finish it and release it i would really enjoy that i think.. what could be better FPS and star craft at the same time.. BWAM.. :P

[Archangel]

oh does any one know of or have a torrent for the original for pc with the expansion pack i wanna get back to playing it.
Just buy the thing...

where any of you looking forward to the first person shooter "starcraft Ghost" coming out b4 they canned it.. i was oh so ever pissed off.. i want them to finish it and release it i would really enjoy that i think.. what could be better FPS and star craft at the same time.. BWAM.. :P
No, because it was only going to be for consoles, which seemed a bit crap since (1) you can't do a good FPS for a console (2) Starcraft got famous on real computers, I don't like the idea of continuing it without them being able to play and (3) consoles suck (possible exception for that wee thing, jury's still out).

[lil_dennett]

Just buy the thing...


No, because it was only going to be for consoles, which seemed a bit crap since (1) you can't do a good FPS for a console (2) Starcraft got famous on real computers.

how can you say that a console can not have a good FPS... what about halo/ halo2 are they not damn awesome games.

[ninevalleys]

actually the only good FPS to grace a console was Perfect Dark on N64. and was much much more fun that Halo was.

[Eberbachl]

I'm not making comparisons to other games, 'cause everyone has their own favourites, but I reckon Halo was a GREAT FPS for a console.

I think I finished it about 15 times on my X-Box :D

......Halo2 on the other hand, sucked arse and was a very weak sequel.

[Eberbachl]

oh does any one know of or have a torrent for the original for pc with the expansion pack i wanna get back to playing it.

...if you want it, go buy it :rolleyes:

[ninevalleys]

have to agree with you about the Halo, number one was way better, takes me about 3 days to complete it, but only 1 for Halo2.

torrents are crap, you always get kids who rock up to LANs and stuff with them and they dont work properly and get all annoyed and then tell everyone else to uninstall their legal copies. though games companies are getting wise to this andmaking it harder and harder. i would not be suprised if starcraft 2 torrent (when it comes out) to be extremely limited like BF2142's one.

spend the money on the game if you want it, if not go to one of those internet/ gaming places and pay like $20 for 8 hours, and test out all the games they got there

NV

[Archangel]

how can you say that a console can not have a good FPS... what about halo/ halo2 are they not damn awesome games.
No.
Halo was average at best. It didn't have enough weapons - the pickup system would have been perfect for having heaps of options. But in fact there were only about ten different weapons, no more than any other game.
The maps were boring and repetitive (that "Library" level is the worst map for any FPS ever) and gave the impression of lots of copying and pasting.
And the engine was crap. It ran heaps slower than UT2003 on my machine and looked worse.

But the main thrust of what I said was that you can't do a good FPS for a console since you don't have a mouse - auto-aim things just aren't the same.

[ninevalleys]

hmm, Perfect dark had somthing along the lines of 40+ weapons and gadgets you could use. i dunno back then i used to only play console games. though yes the mouse is lot better to play with. though the Nintendo DS has a few FPS that follow a similar concept with the touch pad

[Pat Mole]

torrents are crap, you always get kids who rock up to LANs and stuff with them and they dont work properly and get all annoyed and then tell everyone else to uninstall their legal copies. though games companies are getting wise to this andmaking it harder and harder. i would not be suprised if starcraft 2 torrent (when it comes out) to be extremely limited like BF2142's one.


That's got absolutely nothing to do with torrents. That's a feature of the game.

Not sure if its a national or state wide thing, but EB up here has an awesome sale on at the moment, and the guy at the shop said it lasts til end of next month. So you might wanna check that out.

[ninevalleys]

well the torrents you can get for games like warcraft3 1942 and actually all other games are fully functional games in the singleplayer sense even LAN works fine, only restriction is that you cannot play online. with 2142 EA has made it so that no torrent can get LAN, though you can get the extremely boring single player mode. the RAZOR1911 multiplayer does not work (we tried it). which in effect means that if all the other companies get onto this new method of security torrent games will not be so popular... of course someone will probably figure out how to bypass all that though

NV

[Pat Mole]

I think you missed the point. It's not because they were downloaded using BitTorrent that they don't work.

[ninevalleys]

i know that, jeez! im saying that game torrents are popular because they are pretty much free games... but if game developers go down this new track the torrents devloped are gunna be severly limted. thus making them less popular. so in effect just buy the legal copies and have the full amount of fun

NV