Commonwealth games

[Drift_Puncher]

I hurd from Shaun that the requirements have been decided for the Commonwealth games, from what i understand we will have to shoot 5 international shoots before 2010?
now that isnt a problem for myself, but what do u guys think about that?
i mean what 5 would they have in mind? aus nats? thats 2, Oceania? worlds?
lets hope they can pay for us to go to some of these shoots..

[Quetzalcoatl]

As long as they're prepared to be slightly lenient on archers who might not be able to afford 5 internationals ...

[Archangel]

The requirements say 5 approved shoots - there aren't any hard + fast rules about what will be approved. Aus Nats and Worlds are definately in, and Oceania Champs are out. There are 3 Aus Nats in the period, so it's those + Worlds + at least one other. It's intended to be something world-class, so a World Cup or similar would obviously be excellent.

As far as funding goes, there's not a lot of chance of ANZ getting more funding than it has at present before then. Unless the policy changes (unlikely, it's about the one thing our membership agrees on) entry fees + banquets will be paid for when we send a team. More than that, well, there is always a slender chance, but I wouldn't bet on a horse at those odds.

The CGs themselves are (I think) paid for by the NZOC, so at least there's that - and they're the only tournament that attracts these requirements, since we have to justify them to the NZOC.

[The One]

Interesting criteria... How'd that come about?

[Ali Bateman]

So does the worlds we just came back from count towards our 5?

[Archangel]

So does the worlds we just came back from count towards our 5?
Sorry, no, they're supposed to be between 1st Jan 2008 and 1st May 2010 (I think, I forget the exact end date).

Interesting criteria... How'd that come about?
We thought about what archers would have to do in order to be competitive at world level.

Believe me, there was a lot of healthily spirited discussion, and I had to fight pretty hard to keep some parts of it as 'lenient' as they are. But it's worth remembering that the Commonwealth Games are pretty well respected by the public as a whole, and in order to get to go you have to do some work to prove you're not after a free ride.

[gizzy]

Interesting that you have to hear about this criteria on an Australian based website, when NZ archers have been waiting and asking for qualifying scores and the criteria for other shoots for some time now

[Archangel]

Interesting that you have to hear about this criteria on an Australian based website, when NZ archers have been waiting and asking for qualifying scores and the criteria for other shoots for some time now
They're all going to be in the next Archer magazine.

[Drift_Puncher]

can u tell me what else is required to go pete? something about shooting some qual scores in the south island or some crap?

[Drift_Puncher]

ali is a chav

[Drift_Puncher]

:archer: :mad:

[The One]

We thought about what archers would have to do in order to be competitive at world level.

Believe me, there was a lot of healthily spirited discussion, and I had to fight pretty hard to keep some parts of it as 'lenient' as they are. But it's worth remembering that the Commonwealth Games are pretty well respected by the public as a whole, and in order to get to go you have to do some work to prove you're not after a free ride.

Wasn't saying it was a bad idea, merely wondering. :D

[Ali Bateman]

3 questions...

1. How do we know if a tournament is eligable to count towards our 5?

2. Is there a qualifying score as well?

3. Is there like some kind of minimum placing or score that we have to acheive at these 5 big tournaments to make them count towards qualification, or is attending enough?

Thanks heaps Pete, i know i could wait til the next archer comes out, but i'm too impatient! :D

Cheers
Ali

PS Steve is a chav :-)

[Drift_Puncher]

I am hoping each leg of the world cup will be worth 1. does anyone know what is gona be shot in the common wealth? olympic 70 then matchplay???

Ali is a chav, 12" worth of chav ha

[Ali Bateman]

12" huh? u get a sneak peak too did ya?

Nice signature by the way! :-)

[Drift_Puncher]

danke, and i got it on the bus dont u remember hah
my sig is kool huh,

[Eolla]

Is there a minimum score criteria set by the CGOC (or similar) or is the best 4 archers from each division per country?

[Archangel]

Ack, lots of questions...
As the saying goes, "Listen very carefully, I shall say this only once..." ;-)

Is there a minimum score criteria set by the CGOC (or similar) or is the best 4 archers from each division per country?
AFAIK it's up to the individual country who they send (to a max of 3 or 4 per division), there aren't any places to be won like the Olympics.

can u tell me what else is required to go pete? something about shooting some qual scores in the south island or some crap?
You also have to shoot 4 tournaments in NZ per year + the Nationals. 1 of those 4 has to be in the South Island and one in the North. You don't necessarily have to shoot qualifying scores at them though.

I am hoping each leg of the world cup will be worth 1
Yes, they would be. World Cups are big international tournaments, they certainly deserve to be - and anyone who's shooting multiple legs of the World Cup probably has the right idea anyway.

I shall tackle Ali's one at a time...
1. How do we know if a tournament is eligable to count towards our 5?
That's a good question and no doubt has a very interesting answer!
Basically it's supposed to be approximately Aussie Nationals level or higher; I imagine it will be pretty obvious whether a tournament counts or not.
If you're seriously considering what to attend, drop a line to the Board and ask. It doesn't cost anything and it'll clear up any doubt :-)

2. Is there a qualifying score as well?
Yes, 1360 compound / 1300 recurve.

3. Is there like some kind of minimum placing or score that we have to acheive at these 5 big tournaments to make them count towards qualification, or is attending enough?
Nope :-)
The idea is that they'd form a bit of a build-up to the real event, so we don't expect people to be shooting at qualifying level for the whole lot, especially given the length of time this is over.

Thanks heaps Pete, i know i could wait til the next archer comes out, but i'm too impatient! :D
No problem, I thought it'd provoke some interest once Stephen brought it up :-D

PS Steve is a chav :-)
You both are, ha :-P

[Archangel]

Nota bene everybody: This is all based on my recollections, which may be dodgy since we decided it after beer at lunch. Whatever gets printed in the Archer will be gospel, so if it contradicts me no doubt it'll be correct.

[User-Name]

which may be dodgy since we decided it after beer at lunch.

and some medicinal whiskey afterwards.

[User-Name]

As long as they're prepared to be slightly lenient on archers who might not be able to afford 5 internationals ...

It Might happen if they meet the rest of the criteria, but it wouldn't be exactly fair.

[hoyt for life 2]

They're all going to be in the next Archer magazine.
Why do they still put everything in the archer, what are those of us who don't get it suppost to do? (although I'm pretty sure I payed for it aswell). It seems like ANZ is forcing us to buy this silly magizine thing.

[Archangel]

Why do they still put everything in the archer, what are those of us who don't get it suppost to do? (although I'm pretty sure I payed for it aswell). It seems like ANZ is forcing us to buy this silly magizine thing.
Well, the membership were quite clear when they voted to keep the magazine but they wanted a subscription. We're trying to put stuff in it so the people that buy it actually get something for their dollar - it's hard enough given that nobody wants to write exciting things for it (including me), let alone if we started not putting our stuff in there.

In short, if you want to get to the Commonwealth Games, you're going to have to support your national archery association by paying your membership fees and buying a magazine.

Personally I think the subscription's a horrifying idea, I'd much rather have it re-included in the membership fee - feel free to move that at the AGM, I'll vote for you ;-)

[Sir Slick]

Personally I think the subscription's a horrifying idea, I'd much rather have it re-included in the membership fee - feel free to move that at the AGM, I'll vote for you ;-)

I agree......that takes your tally of votes to two!!!

[yify]

Whats wrong with putting all the information and the qualifying criteria on the ANZ website so that all could know what is needed to be done to go to the commenwealth like some 3D archers who are keen on trying it out?

[hoyt for life 2]

Oh I see, so they are forcing us to buy it. :)

[Drift_Puncher]

whens the next one due?

[Archangel]

Whats wrong with putting all the information and the qualifying criteria on the ANZ website so that all could know what is needed to be done to go to the commenwealth like some 3D archers who are keen on trying it out?
If they're keen on going to the Commonwealth Games, why don't they affiliate and buy a magazine?

This is exactly what's happened for every tournament in the past - I don't recall ever seeing qualifying scores on the website, so it's not like we're implementing some radical new policy here.

Oh I see, so they are forcing us to buy it. :)
No, you have a choice: You can choose not to go to the Games. Alternatively, if you want to represent your country at one of the premier sporting events worldwide, you can choose to support your NSO.

[gizzy]

It makes more sense to post it on the national archery NZ website this is up to date, and there are allot of full members who dont get the archer but are still intitled to the information, and they are supporting there national body as it stands now full members are not being kept up to date of disscissions made by ANZ that could directly effect them or there club, the archer is published by monthly the archers need to be kept updated better than that.

[hoyt for life 2]

I am supporting my NSO, I pay a senior membership (and im still a junior).