archer conduct

[puddin]

after talking to a few of my friends and a couple of the more experienced judges around the place i thought i would ask AF members what they thought a judge can/should do when an archer acts like a idiot and for example trows their bow or kicks their bow case when they walk of the line unhappy.??

i ask the can/should as i think what judges shoud be able to do i a bit more then what they can actually do.

so your thoughts would be great

[ReG_C]

Not sure, but I know I have thrown my arrow grippers a few times and my stand aswell (but never at anyone) :silly: its a good vent, as long as no one sees it, or you smile after you do it, who cares, but if you go mental, as long as you don't kick any one else gear, let them be :D

[2Dogs]

Adam Richards would have many test cases for this. :)

Of all the Berzerker attacks he pulled on the field, he never really got pulled up for it.

I do seem to recall, many years ago at a State Indoor he threw a Mega Tanty, and the Head Judge Hillary Chesser DQ'd him for poor sportsmanship, and asked him to leave the tournament.

Personally, I think you should be chucked out. I'm also responsible for chucking massive wobblys over the years.......and I think I should have been chucked out too.

If I had of been chucked out as a Junior.... it would have sorted me out earlier :D (PS: I still hold the record for Hurling a fully rigged recurve 32m ;) )

[tropicalshot]

after talking to a few of my friends and a couple of the more experienced judges around the place i thought i would ask AF members what they thought a judge can/should do when an archer acts like a idiot and for example trows their bow or kicks their bow case when they walk of the line unhappy.??

i ask the can/should as i think what judges shoud be able to do i a bit more then what they can actually do.

so your thoughts would be great


can't see a problem with it so long as it does not interfere or place another archer in any harm.
if someone wants to destroy their equipment because of a bad shot thats their business,
however if you are intending to throw your bow and its a good one (hoyt) swap it with my old samick first,
you wont feel so bad breaking it and i get a new bow :rofl:

[Quetzalcoatl]

(PS: I still hold the record for Hurling a fully rigged recurve 32m ;) )

Nice ;)

Did it survive?

[Marcus]

I agree with that.
BTW I think Jay Barrs gave your record a pretty good go at the World Field in 2001. ;) I'll have to measure that in Canberra next year.

Adam Richards would have many test cases for this. :)

Of all the Berzerker attacks he pulled on the field, he never really got pulled up for it.

I do seem to recall, many years ago at a State Indoor he threw a Mega Tanty, and the Head Judge Hillary Chesser DQ'd him for poor sportsmanship, and asked him to leave the tournament.

Personally, I think you should be chucked out. I'm also responsible for chucking massive wobblys over the years.......and I think I should have been chucked out too.

If I had of been chucked out as a Junior.... it would have sorted me out earlier :D (PS: I still hold the record for Hurling a fully rigged recurve 32m ;) )

[shannonhearse]

(PS: I still hold the record for Hurling a fully rigged recurve 32m ;))

Hasnt one gone swimming and never resurfaced also ?

[bbird]

Adam Richards would have many test cases for this. :)

Of all the Berzerker attacks he pulled on the field, he never really got pulled up for it.

I do seem to recall, many years ago at a State Indoor he threw a Mega Tanty, and the Head Judge Hillary Chesser DQ'd him for poor sportsmanship, and asked him to leave the tournament.

Personally, I think you should be chucked out. I'm also responsible for chucking massive wobblys over the years.......and I think I should have been chucked out too.

If I had of been chucked out as a Junior.... it would have sorted me out earlier :D (PS: I still hold the record for Hurling a fully rigged recurve 32m ;) )

Have to agree with you there Paul, I've seen Adam pull a few beauties over the years. I still think the best "justice" meated out was the time in Toowoomba when he chucked a tanty just before the lunchbreak at a FITA Star then backed over his gear with is ute.... :D

I'd like to see something similar to what we have in the tennis circles I work in, a pretty strict disciplinary code and a series of code violations. Basically if anyone in a tennis tournament cops 3 codes in the same event, they are defaulted from the tournament. It's enforced right from juniors through to to ATP and WTA tours. Be a good starting point for us to work with in Archery perhaps.

[Fullyautomatickid]

yer have had alot of experience with people chuckn wobblys in tennis games, sport is all a mind game. its you vs. you opponent or you vs youself. ive had many tennis matches won because ether my opponent psyche himself out or (the funner way) broke there racket over there knee and didt bring there spare.

same goes in archery, getting upset about your shot is inexcusable. you form with only degrade directly proportional to you mind set....and bow condition after you run it over

[2Dogs]

That Tennis idea is a good one BBird.

From what I remember the FITA rule book is very vague about such things, and if they introduced such a thing into Archery (including the Juniors) it would give the Judges some ammunition.

I'd say 2 strikes and your out. 1 official warning, 2nd you leave the tournment.

As much as Adam has provided us with some amusing Mid tournament entertainment over the years :D .... he should have been "Red Carded" early in the game. Same for me and everyone else who pulled similar things.

You only lost your cool, because really you knew nothing could be done about it if you did.

I might do some research.... I think the Tennis 2 strikes idea would be bloody good Rule to introduce into the Australian Rule book.....also appilcable to Parents of Juniors on the field.

[Marcus]

When I played American football you lost minutes if called for unsportsmanlike conduct. This may be a late hit, or throwing your helmet etc. CMB50 lost 45 minutes over the course of a season. :rofl:
Archery could do the same. Imagine if you threw your release aid and a judge walked up and said "you will be sitting out the next end". I think people would behave much better then.
It also would carry through to the next game. So a 10 minute penalty done in the last 5 minutes would means you sat out the first five of your next match. Again funny if someone throws their bow and is told "next FITA you lose the first 2 ends".

[Hannah]

Have to agree with you there Paul, I've seen Adam pull a few beauties over the years. I still think the best "justice" meated out was the time in Toowoomba when he chucked a tanty just before the lunchbreak at a FITA Star then backed over his gear with is ute.... :D

I'd like to see something similar to what we have in the tennis circles I work in, a pretty strict disciplinary code and a series of code violations. Basically if anyone in a tennis tournament cops 3 codes in the same event, they are defaulted from the tournament. It's enforced right from juniors through to to ATP and WTA tours. Be a good starting point for us to work with in Archery perhaps.
So one or two is okay? :o

[2Dogs]

Yes.... but if your 1st one is a Doosy, then the option to allow the Judge to Red Card you would be good :)

[johnske]

That's a hairy one, and one that's not really covered that well by the rules, so it's all a matter of opinion.

In my opinion I would say that hurling, chucking, or throwing the bow some distance as described constitutes an act of violence and this archers action then becomes more of a "security" issue than anything else. e.g. what would a night-club (or any other venue) security person do if a patron threw (say) their mobile phone against a wall? I daresay they'd throw them out of the venue.

Who is responsible for security on an archery field? In the first instance the DOS is responsible, (Rule 7.7.2 The Director of Shooting will institute and enforce any reasonable safety measures he or she considers necessary...) but I would say the organizers also have some responsibility as well.

[puddin]

i agree with 2dogs and others.
i think a penilty system should be put into place and enforced from the very start. i know a few years ago i got into the "habbit" of throwing something when i shot badly, i would say that if i was to get a penilty for this then it would not of become a "habbit", and would of stopped much much sooner.

[bigfella]

The one thing that has not been mentioned at this time is the effect that the tanty has on the archers on the same and adjoining butts. This may be a good laugh at the behaviour for some or it may be upsetting to others who are working to run a place or shoot a PB.

Therefore that sort of behaviour has to be controlled as much as possible so that the other archers around the behaviour are provided with as much opportunity as possible to shoot to their potential.

I am in favour of a system that penalises such behaviour. The idea of sitting out the next end is a practical one. Unfortunately it may be hard to manage should the penalty have to carry over to the next tournament but within the tournament I think it would be quite workable.

Disqualification should be an option for situations of over the top displays.

This is important enough to get it added to the rules and to have an instruction to police the situation to the DOS and judges from AA

[Hannah]

I agree, but the problem is - as can be shown on a forum like this, different people have different ideas of what is 'over-the-top' and what is not. What kind of behaviour is to be constituted as being unrelevant...or should it be left up to the judges discretion?

I am of the opinion that it should be left up to the judges' discretion, but that presumes a level of maturity of judges.

[2Dogs]

Judges are there to Judge. The Decision would come down to them......as it should.

Example of over the Top.....

Kicking one's bow stand with such force it flies over into the car park and lands on some guys bonnet.

Using ones Water Bottle as a Soccer ball

Using ones release aids as lethal projectiles as they richochet off chairs and items in the Sitting area.

Using ones Scope to Plough the ground

Using ones bow as a frisbee

Using every four letter word known to man at the top of ones volume

Throwing ones Bow into a stinging nettle bush....then have to go in and retrieve it :rofl: Gold!!

How we miss Adam :D

See Ms Hannah.... it's pretty obvious, you Vics just lead sheltered lives :D

[Hannah]

Judges are there to Judge. The Decision would come down to them......as it should.

Example of over the Top.....

Kicking one's bow stand with such force it flies over into the car park and lands on some guys bonnet.

Using ones Water Bottle as a Soccer ball

Using ones release aids as lethal projectiles as they richochet off chairs and items in the Sitting area.

Using ones Scope to Plough the ground

Using ones bow as a frisbee

Using every four letter word known to man at the top of ones volume

Throwing ones Bow into a stinging nettle bush....then have to go in and retrieve it :rofl: Gold!!

How we miss Adam :D

See Ms Hannah.... it's pretty obvious, you Vics just lead sheltered lives :D
I am definitely more in favour with this than attempting to put unwieldy definitions into a rulebook :o

[Hannah]

When I quoted your comment, 2Dogs, I had no idea I was agreeing with so much :lol:

[fletcher]

Adam sounds like a heap of fun.Throwing bows into stinging nettles :rofl:..... :munch:
Did anyone think to offer him an all day sucker (:

[The One]

I'm all in favour of punishment. Give the judges a cattle prod :p

[Ed]

Interesting to see that most favour giving judges more power;)

[Peter King]

I didn't see the incident, but the Jay Barrs incident in Canberra rankled. Interestingly, many defend the indefensible by referring to his disappointment at shooting an X on the wrong target. Tough. Behave or get DQed, particularly if you are a high profile international role model.

[2Dogs]

I saw it..... wasn't as far as mine :D

Actually Jacko took the piss out of Jay in the Restaurant that night..... we laughed.....Jay didn't :D

[Marcus]

It would have made great television though. Want to get archery in the spotlight, we need someone to do that at the olympics.

(for others. during the teams event Barrs needed a 5 at 60m on the last target to tie in the bronze medal match. One of his teamates said "make sure you shoot the correct target", as there was 2 right next to each other. Jay shot and nailed the X. The crowd was silent and hushed whispers of "he hit the wrong target" started going through. Jay then realised and hurled his custom gold Hoyt bow through the pine trees and into the Canberra archery club carpark. Fantastic to watch)

[Sir Slick]

Its good to see that the majority of people here like the idea of some form of disciplinary rules.....two strikes and your out would be my preferred policy for serious indiscretions as determined by judges.

I find it interesting that a couple have posted on here along the lines of "so long as its to their own gear" or "let them vent" as if this is alright (and this is not a dig just a general observation without knowing who posted where) but in the thread concerning walking off a line while shooting, thats poor sportsmanship and soft.

How is throwing gear and crying like a baby over a bad shot deemed to be acceptable and yet a person deciding they've had enough for the day deemed unacceptable??

Also a question for judges......would you really be prepared to throw your mates or high quality (and by that I mean internationally competitive archers) off the line for major indiscretions? I know what answer I would like to hear but sometimes get the impression that it would not necessarily happen.

[Marcus]

Actually judging by the comments of some they approve both walking off the line when they are not winning AND throwing gear as well.

[Archangel]

Also a question for judges......would you really be prepared to throw your mates or high quality (and by that I mean internationally competitive archers) off the line for major indiscretions? I know what answer I would like to hear but sometimes get the impression that it would not necessarily happen.
It wouldn't happen in this country. The judges don't enforce blatant breaking of the uniform rules for example, they'll never manage with something touchy feely like "a major indiscretion".

[ReG_C]

Actually judging by the comments of some they approve both walking off the line when they are not winning AND throwing gear as well.

Depnds on what you throw, I don't condone leaving the line because you're not having fun, although I won't condone throwing gear (yours or any one elses) I am just stating that it happens, heck take the Whitehorse Trophy, I will admit I threw my Bow stand, and I doubt anyone actually noticed it, next end, it was business as usual

I think its more to do with throwing your gear (or someone else) and making a big scene out of it - that should be frowned upon

[-Chris-]

I will admit I threw my Bow stand, and I doubt anyone actually noticed it, next end, it was business as usual

haha nope didnt even notice.. but hell i just relised in the photo's that Erica wasnt shooting her guardian! shows how much i was paying attention!

so what happened to the guardian?

[schme1440]

Just a note towards this thread. An archer was dropped by his sponsor because of his behaviour. And I do agree with asking people to leave to tournament. It spoils the rest of the day for everyone else.

[Hannah]

Not sure I agree with this. It is more about sportsmanship, I would've thought. What if someone had've seen it? Would that make it worse? Why should there be qualifications placed on actions? Throwing a tantrum (including throwing gear/swearing etc) says more to a competitor than what you would realise, gives away any upper hand you have in terms of how well others think you are shooting. More importantly, once someone has thrown the tantrum, they are more likely to throw another one anyway - which means that they are not fit to compete because they do not have control over their own faculties.

Bring in DQ'ing!

[schme1440]

It would have made great television though. Want to get archery in the spotlight, we need someone to do that at the olympics.

(for others. during the teams event Barrs needed a 5 at 60m on the last target to tie in the bronze medal match. One of his teamates said "make sure you shoot the correct target", as there was 2 right next to each other. Jay shot and nailed the X. The crowd was silent and hushed whispers of "he hit the wrong target" started going through. Jay then realised and hurled his custom gold Hoyt bow through the pine trees and into the Canberra archery club carpark. Fantastic to watch)
Gold bow? Thought he only ever had banana yellow bows.

[Hannah]

Oops - meant to quote, as below.

Depnds on what you throw, I don't condone leaving the line because you're not having fun, although I won't condone throwing gear (yours or any one elses) I am just stating that it happens, heck take the Whitehorse Trophy, I will admit I threw my Bow stand, and I doubt anyone actually noticed it, next end, it was business as usual

I think its more to do with throwing your gear (or someone else) and making a big scene out of it - that should be frowned upon

[ReG_C]

Not sure I agree with this. It is more about sportsmanship, I would've thought. What if someone had've seen it? Would that make it worse? Why should there be qualifications placed on actions? Throwing a tantrum (including throwing gear/swearing etc) says more to a competitor than what you would realise, gives away any upper hand you have in terms of how well others think you are shooting. More importantly, once someone has thrown the tantrum, they are more likely to throw another one anyway - which means that they are not fit to compete because they do not have control over their own faculties.

Bring in DQ'ing!


yes, it does reflect badly on me, but what I'm trying to say is that, did it affect anyone else? are we going to outlaw me shooting 6's, it only affects my attitude, not anyone else's (yes I'm cluthing at straws, and i'm not letting go ;))

[2Dogs]

As a P Plater Judge I look forward to the Day when Adam returns to SQAS......rolls up at the FITA Star.... spits his Dummy and I can say

"Adam, get the **** outa here"

:D

Then turning around to Dr Phil and saying "Oh you think it's funny!.... on your bike Too!..... and you can take your Boyfriend Timms with you"

Ohhhhh the POWER :rofl:

Of course we'd have to cancel the Star after that because 3 of the 4 who turned up had to leave

:D

[Quetzalcoatl]

I wouldn't be too fussed if one of my competitors had a tantrum ... it just shows that they're losing it, and therefore you've got more chance of beating them :)

[Madeleine Ferris]

Trouble is, the judge may not be at that end of the line to see the tantrum. However, the archers on either side have just been put off by the distraction (and please don't start on about being focused, blah, blah). Archers should have the guts to complain to the judge. You can put up with a certain amount but there is a time to put a stop to it. The judge should then advise the archer that a complaint has been made against him (usually a him) and what it is.

If he throws another tantrum (or distracting behaviour), the judge (who is by then pre warned to keep an eye on that particular archer) should have the authority to immeidatley penalise the archer by taking the highest scoring arrow in that end off him. He might then actually think BEFORE he chucks his next tantrum and keep better control over his emotions. Hit 'em where it hurts - in the score.

[I've heard over the years about a certain person who did this because 'he was such a perfectionist' - well, geez, I am too, but I am an adult and was taught certain social behaviours. 99% of archers learn to have fantastic control over their emotions. It's just the other few who seem to believe that they are 'different' and should be allowed to release their emotions anywhere and anyhow they please.]

[burt666]

I'm all in favour of punishment. Give the judges a cattle prod :p

Yeah but then you risk to have all sort of dramas like "me that that Judge have"issues" with each other off the shooting line, so he tackled me on the shooting line", etc, etc....

[bigfella]

yes, it does reflect badly on me, but what I'm trying to say is that, did it affect anyone else? are we going to outlaw me shooting 6's, it only affects my attitude, not anyone else's (yes I'm cluthing at straws, and i'm not letting go ;))

Yes Reg, you are clutching at straws. You just do not know if your behaviour has or has not affected the shooting, focus or mind set of anyone else.

How do you know that the person shooting beside you has a harder than steel personality and is able to focus fully with bombs falling around him or if instead he is a shy wimp who breaks down at the slightest provocation.

We all get upset with a bad shot and we all do them. The best action is to learn the self control that allows others the opportunity to do their thing without our behaviour affecting them.

[ReG_C]

How do you know that the person shooting beside you has a harder than steel personality and is able to focus fully with bombs falling around him or if instead he is a shy wimp who breaks down at the slightest provocation.

How do I know that it didn't affect them? two of the archers sharing my target went on to win the tournament I was in (open MC and open WC) and yes, it would take bombs going off around them to distract them, if I am sure my actions are going to affect someone, I won't do them (that includes choking in a tournament to let others win :silly: )

[bigfella]

How do I know that it didn't affect them? two of the archers sharing my target went on to win the tournament I was in (open MC and open WC) and yes, it would take bombs going off around them to distract them, if I am sure my actions are going to affect someone, I won't do them (that includes choking in a tournament to let others win :silly: )

Reg, dont take this personally as that is not intended. The point is that at the time of any dummy spit the spitter cannot know its effect on those around him.

[ReG_C]

its a forum, and I'm playing devil's advocate

and yes, I do understnad what you mean :)

i won't go the extent of shouting profanities and throwing bow to deliberately cause a scene, I still want people to want to shoot with me :D

I've shot with archers that from now until the end of my shooting days I will deliberately try to avoid, just for that reason

[Hannah]

Of course, if we are going to take it to mean any behaviour that is distracting to others, we may just have to start shooting in booths next to each other, completely isolated because most people's behaviour at one point or another is distracting to others :P

[ReG_C]

Of course, if we are going to take it to mean any behaviour that is distracting to others, we may just have to start shooting in booths next to each other, completely isolated because most people's behaviour at one point or another is distracting to others :P

but this is where you draw the line into - deliberately causing distraction through your actions on or behind the shooting line

[Marcus]

I'm sorry Reg, but I told you the blackberries had it coming.

[ReG_C]

I'm sorry Reg, but I told you the blackberries had it coming.

Marcus, I don't think whether you took your frustrations out on the day really affected me ;) a divine wind couldn't have helped me that day ;)

and yes, those blackberries did have it coming (I have tiny holes in the bottom of my pants to prove it :()

[bigfella]

Of course, if we are going to take it to mean any behaviour that is distracting to others, we may just have to start shooting in booths next to each other, completely isolated because most people's behaviour at one point or another is distracting to others :P

I dont think that is the case. All sorts of things affect an archer's mood on the day.. I'm sure that you could name dozens of things that happen in the course of a shoot. However what is being discussed here is inappropriate behaviour affecting others. It is this sort of behaviour that is being criticised and in my view quite validly.

[whiz]

At least now I know why everyone at Canberra Archery Club seems to instantly recognise Jay Barrs.

I'm also in favour of judges having the option of disqualifying bad behaviour. (Except if it's crying).
Without the possibility of punishment, there is no incentive to behave..

[Wolf Dreaming]

As a P Plater Judge I look forward to the Day when Adam returns to SQAS......rolls up at the FITA Star.... spits his Dummy and I can say

"Adam, get the **** outa here"

:D

Then turning around to Dr Phil and saying "Oh you think it's funny!.... on your bike Too!..... and you can take your Boyfriend Timms with you"

Ohhhhh the POWER :rofl:

Of course we'd have to cancel the Star after that because 3 of the 4 who turned up had to leave


:D
You crack me up :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ;)

[frommy]

I have never pulled out of a tournament I had entered, even though there were some occasions that I considered doing so. There have been some fellow competitors whose behaviour, although not as extreme as some of the above examples, did distract me, and I agree that a code of behaviour, subject to judge/DOS discretion, could be of value.

The biggest distraction I ever experienced, and hurt me the most, was at the World Masters 2002 in Melbourne when in the Indoor there was a certain "Adam" from Qld behind the line loudly criticising my form for many to hear, including me.

"He needs to explode through the shot".

He continued to argue this point with all around, including three of my fellow club members, very loudly, and it buggered me completely hearing this crap.

I did, however, have some enjoyment in seeing a few days later said Adam at the field practice butts cursing his inability to hit the guts, when a little old lady came up to the same butt with her little compound bow and went "plink" - gold; "plink" - gold, ad infinitum.

So can I also suggest there should be the ability to expel inappropriate behaviour of non-competitors?

:munch:

[The One]

Yeah but then you risk to have all sort of dramas like "me that that Judge have"issues" with each other off the shooting line, so he tackled me on the shooting line", etc, etc....

Adds more flavour to the game ;)

[bbird]

That Tennis idea is a good one BBird.

I'd say 2 strikes and your out. 1 official warning, 2nd you leave the tournment.

I might do some research.... I think the Tennis 2 strikes idea would be bloody good Rule to introduce into the Australian Rule book.....also appilcable to Parents of Juniors on the field.

Just to add a bit for everyone and 2 Dogs research, here's a link to the Tennis Australia Disciplinary System. It could be a useful starting point.

http://www.tennisqueensland.com.au/pages/image.aspx?assetId=RDM38190.6679211806

I also forgot to mention that in the tennis ranks, a default from a tournament can occur immediately without the process of three warnings, if the offence is deemed serious enough. (eg physical abuse, or equipment abuse causing injury to another person)

As an example we had a junior player defaulted from a tournament early this year for verbal racial abuse of an opponent. In addition to his default, he was also banned from playing in any sanctioned tournaments and events for 6 months.

So one or two is okay? :o

So to answer your question Hannah, no - one or two is not ok, but the system is in place to cover violations that are considered to be "minor" offences (such as turning up late for a match, wearing inappropriate clothing, time wasting etc.) The two-strikes rule applies to those types of offences.

In the case of an offence of a serious nature, then an immediate default is applied. And in every case where a player is defaulted from a tournament, then that player is subject to a disciplinary hearing to consider if a further suspension is warranted. There have been cases where players have been suspended from all competition for lengthy periods.

Some might remember that John McEnroe was actually defaulted from the Australian Open in one year for his antics.

Also, the disciplinary code applies to spectators who are part of the individual players entourage (eg. parents, friends etc) and their inappropriate behaviour can also mean that a player will receive a code violation on the basis of their actions.

As mentioned, perhaps the TA disciplinary policy could be used as a starting point for us to adapt to archery. Just some food for thought.

[rachel]

I've seen one guy throw two tanty's since I've been in Victoria and they were both actually funny. the first time he tried to throw his release aid away, but it was attached to a cord around his neck (nice face bruise resulted), another time he tried to throw his bow, but forgot about his bow sling (another face bruise from that). I laughed really hard both times.

It's not good behaviour to see on the shooting line, it's not a good example for the kids to see, but I think that a warning should be given to the person chucking the tanty before they're told to get out.

[DerekTheWonderFerret]

can't see a problem with it so long as it does not interfere or place another archer in any harm.

Problem is, you never know what will "interfere" with another archer. Being close to someone throwing a tantrum is certainly a distraction and is likely to effect your shooting, even if it's just simply pausing to mentally call them a wanker.

Whether you are just angry with yourself, or doing it deliberately to distract, it's not giving the other archers on the line the courtisy of a fair go.

[rachel]

Had that too, one of the women was having a panic attack because a judge called an arrow of the woman she was shooting with wrong. The two women actually didn't really like each other, and I had to go to the DOS and judges to ask to have them split up just so the rest of us could concentrate on our shooting.

[Archangel]

Problem is, you never know what will "interfere" with another archer. Being close to someone throwing a tantrum is certainly a distraction and is likely to effect your shooting, even if it's just simply pausing to mentally call them a wanker.

Whether you are just angry with yourself, or doing it deliberately to distract, it's not giving the other archers on the line the courtisy of a fair go.
I agree partly, but I find that archers can be a bit precious about it sometimes.
Oh no, there was noise while you were shooting. Quick, fetch the kleenex...

[Erika]

Had that too, one of the women was having a panic attack because a judge called an arrow of the woman she was shooting with wrong. The two women actually didn't really like each other, and I had to go to the DOS and judges to ask to have them split up just so the rest of us could concentrate on our shooting.

Was that the state target?? I remember that one. It was annoying... and quite a display for grown adults.

Can't say it affected my shooting one iota. I'm completely apathetic to the whole business. I really don't care if you wish to upset your own game further by throwing a tantrum.... and better still if you want to take yourself out of the running by sabotaging your own gear.

The only part I have problem with is those who inflict their bad day on everyone for the whole day and make shooting with them thoroughly unpleasant. Pitching your gear into the car park is none of my business. Inflicting your sulking and foul temper on your target mates for 1-2 days is just plain rude. I'm usually pretty lucky, but it's quite common to see someone shoot badly and their target mates suffer for it. But i don't think there's a way around that type of thing... beyond some major bribes on target allocation :D

[rachel]

Problem is, you never know what will "interfere" with another archer. Being close to someone throwing a tantrum is certainly a distraction and is likely to effect your shooting, even if it's just simply pausing to mentally call them a wanker.

Whether you are just angry with yourself, or doing it deliberately to distract, it's not giving the other archers on the line the courtisy of a fair go.

The point is that if you're having a bad day, keep it to yourself. Some of us that have been shooting for a while can ignore things like that, we just say to ourselves "Well I've got you beat", but it doesn't look good to the people who have only just started going to tournaments.

I find that having a good cry in the car park after the shoot is finished feels better than throwing something (costs less too) and it doesn't let anyone around you know that it's just not working today.

And yes, Erika, that was the State Target. I didn't really give a **** about their problems either, but they wouldn't start shooting again until the one who had the tanty was ready, and we all just wanted to get the shoot over and done with.

[Wolf Dreaming]

As a P Plater Judge I look forward to the Day when Adam returns to SQAS......rolls up at the FITA Star.... spits his Dummy and I can say

"Adam, get the **** outa here"

:D

Then turning around to Dr Phil and saying "Oh you think it's funny!.... on your bike Too!..... and you can take your Boyfriend Timms with you"

Ohhhhh the POWER :rofl:

Of course we'd have to cancel the Star after that because 3 of the 4 who turned up had to leave

:D
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Clare Barnes]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Glad you still find it funny 6 months later! ;)

[2Dogs]

He's Slow....... he's even slower now he's living in WA :D

[Craig R]

Glad you still find it funny 6 months later! ;)

There are some real funny old threads on here.
The best one I found a while back was one leading up to the 06 IFAA Worlds here in OZ and the crap a couple of Americans were dishing out to Marcus in an attempt to get him to go.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :D

[Owl]

As a left field idea, if someone chucks a tanty and throws their bow downrange... why not give them credit :D

32m for a bow throw is impressive 2dogs:)


If a person does not direct their anger or tanty towards any other competitors, and all throwing antics occur downrange then its safe and funny at the same time :D :D :D

[STRINGWALKER]

bow thrower 30 years ago....but now that the accumulated worth is around $2500, I generally put the bow down and chuck a tantrum instead, strangely throwing the bow released more stress!

[Jim Reid]

I used to get 'upset' too, but now that I am older I am a lot more sensible.

[whiz]

Maybe we've just found a use for pre 1990's compounds?
How about a rack of them off to the side of the field with a measured distance line.
We can just make tanties an organised sideline event.
1$ per throw. $2 for optional scream while throwing.
Select the bow of your choice from the rack and other than hammer throw technique, it's open season..

Anyone throwing their own bow can be have a discount and a free scream.

End of the competition, distance winner takes half the pot.

I think we'll need womens, mens and juniors divisions.