Stabilisers

[Bottom Dweller]

I've noticed some interesting stabilisers on some archer's bows recently. Some are very long >1.5m and some are even vertical.

The FITA Rule Book does not appear to have any particular restrictions on stabilisers for either recurve or compound other than the following:

7.3.1.6.1 They may not:

[Archangel]

Personally I don't think they give much advantage. I think the FITA rules pretty adequately cover any sort of cheating you could get up to with them, so within that any weird and wonderful configurations should be up to the archer.
We certainly don't need any more additions to the weighty tome that is the current FITA rules :-o

[2Dogs]

What do other think about these new stabiliser configurations?
Do they give any advantage?
Should there be any additional restrictions?


They are great for Lemmings :)

[apexrob]

What do other think about these new stabiliser configurations?
Do they give any advantage?
Should there be any additional restrictions?

This makes me laugh very hard.

[STRINGWALKER]

At target events there should be a beer after every second end, now that's what i call stabilising!

[The One]

Not sure where I heard it from, but there may be a maximum length of stabiliser? Not certain on that, though. Would be nice to rest one against the target and shoot :)

As long as it's within the rules, don't see any reason to restrict it. If it gets you extra points, do it. If it doesn't, don't (unless it's a really neat colour, and matches other stuff you've already got) :P

[Bottom Dweller]

As long as it's within the rules, don't see any reason to restrict it.

For the sake of discussion, let say someone turned up with an electronic stabiliser similar to the ones they use to stabilise video cameras at sporting events. And let say they manage to connect it to the bow only so that it meets the current rules. Would that be OK too?

Its only a matter of time ;-)

[Marcus]

The FITA rules state that you can not have electronic parts, so the rules prevent that already.

[James Park]

Back in the 1970s FITA had a rule that restricted you to no more than four stabilisers. We typically used two out the front and a V bar.
However, as seems usual, FITA did not define a stabiliser.
I did manage to turn up to a FITA Star event with the normal four stabilisers plus a long, large, bolt to hold my clicker on. The judges wanted to call it a stabiliser, but I maintained that it was a 'clicker holding on bolt'. We managed to have an arguement about where I would need to cut it off for them to deem it not to be a stabiliser.

[James Park]

The FITA rules state that you can not have electronic parts, so the rules prevent that already.
One thing I learnt at university is that you can pretty readily implement most of the electronic things as an hydraulic analogue. FITA rules would not preclude that.
That is: think of what you would implement as electronics, but implement it in hydraulics.

[Bottom Dweller]

The FITA rules state that you can not have electronic parts, so the rules prevent that already.

I couldn't find a restriction like that for stabilisers. There is one for clickers and communication devices. I may have missed it, if so please post the clause.

[Bottom Dweller]

That is: think of what you would implement as electronics, but implement it in hydraulics.

Something like a water bottle at the bottom of a vertical stabiliser just above the ground?

[The One]

I couldn't find a restriction like that for stabilisers. There is one for clickers and communication devices. I may have missed it, if so please post the clause.

It's a blanket clause about not having any electric or electronic gadgets on the bow IIRC. Not specifically defined for stabilisers.

[Bottom Dweller]

"7.3.3 For the Compound Division, the following equipment is described. All types of
additional devices, unless they are electric or electronic, are permitted:.."

Couldn't find a similar clause for recurve.

[Archangel]

Something like a water bottle at the bottom of a vertical stabiliser just above the ground?
Suspect that's not quite what Jim was thinking.
It doesn't seem like much of an advantage over a straight weight to me. If you cant the bow, keeping the position of your bowarm dead still, technically I think it self-centres slightly better due to the water moving about. On the other hand if you rotate the bow with the water at the centre of rotation, it tends to accentuate the motion.
Either way, the angle and hence the difference it makes will be slight, and definitely not worth it compared to how much of a goober it would make you look.

[whiz]

Today I noticed Enlightened One's new stabiliser set up allowed him to be a lot more efficient energy wise.
He only had to put his bow down about 25cm before it stopped when it hit the ground.
So correspondingly, he only had to pick it up 25cm per round.
How much energy did he save if he has a 5 kilo bow, shot a mens FITA and normally would put his bow on the ground?
We will assume that E.O is of average build and is 172cm tall..

This led us to be concerned that if he goes much lower in a keel stabiliser, he'll never be able to decline his bow enough to shoot 18 metres....

[GuyDawg9]

there you go thats how long stbilizers help... don't have to lift them as far...

[Fullyautomatickid]

Today I noticed Enlightened One's new stabiliser set up allowed him to be a lot more efficient energy wise.
He only had to put his bow down about 25cm before it stopped when it hit the ground.
So correspondingly, he only had to pick it up 25cm per round.
How much energy did he save if he has a 5 kilo bow, shot a mens FITA and normally would put his bow on the ground?
We will assume that E.O is of average build and is 172cm tall..

This led us to be concerned that if he goes much lower in a keel stabiliser, he'll never be able to decline his bow enough to shoot 18 metres....

HA i think thats when it starts becoming a bow bipod rather than a stablizer

[shannonhearse]

Ive always wanted to put a bayonet on the end of my stabalizer (instead of weights).
I think it looks cool.

I never have as im prettys sure it would be declared "un safe".

You could also jam it in the ground as a bow stand.

Does any one recokon you could legally get away with it ?

[Stryker]

Ive always wanted to put a bayonet on the end of my stabalizer (instead of weights).
I think it looks cool.

I never have as im prettys sure it would be declared "un safe".

You could also jam it in the ground as a bow stand.

Does any one recokon you could legally get away with it ?

Never mind FITA rules, I'm pretty sure that even carrying a bayonet is illegal full stop.

[puddin]

Today I noticed Enlightened One's new stabiliser set up allowed him to be a lot more efficient energy wise.
He only had to put his bow down about 25cm before it stopped when it hit the ground.
So correspondingly, he only had to pick it up 25cm per round.
How much energy did he save if he has a 5 kilo bow, shot a mens FITA and normally would put his bow on the ground?
We will assume that E.O is of average build and is 172cm tall..

This led us to be concerned that if he goes much lower in a keel stabiliser, he'll never be able to decline his bow enough to shoot 18 metres....
in this case would he be legally allowed to load his bow whle waiting for shooting to be started as his bow would already be pointing ot the target and im sure the fita rules dont allow that.

[Sandy Hancock]

in this case would he be legally allowed to load his bow whle waiting for shooting to be started as his bow would already be pointing ot the target and im sure the fita rules dont allow that.
Many recurvers load their bow with the bottom limb resting in their shoe, so the bow is more or less pointing at the target. No difference.

[bigfella]

I like a long stabilizer so that I can rest it on the ground between shots. :)
2Bogs will know what I mean :)

[bigfella]

Ive always wanted to put a bayonet on the end of my stabalizer (instead of weights).
I think it looks cool.

I never have as im prettys sure it would be declared "un safe".

You could also jam it in the ground as a bow stand.

Does any one recokon you could legally get away with it ?

I took my Kudlachek which had been modified by the use of 5 ACC shafts and points to the World Indoors in Denmark. A couple of poms who noticed it thought it was great and thought I would be able to get 6 arrows off at a time :rofl:

[bigfella]

I took my Kudlachek which had been modified by the use of 5 ACC shafts and points to the World Indoors in Denmark. A couple of poms who noticed it thought it was great and thought I would be able to get 6 arrows off at a time :rofl:

Passed the bow inspection too! :)

[Jim Reid]

Ive always wanted to put a bayonet on the end of my stabalizer (instead of weights).
I think it looks cool.

I never have as im prettys sure it would be declared "un safe".

You could also jam it in the ground as a bow stand.

Does any one recokon you could legally get away with it ?

I reckon it would be OK Shannon, no worse than an arrow 'loaded' in your bow, but a trident would be better than a bayonet, if it was a bayonet the bow could 'turn' while stuck in the ground, a trident would be much better. Get on with a gas ignition button on the side to blast it out of the ground as you pick it up. Very impressive.

"see Shannon's on fire today, flaming good eh!"

[Fullyautomatickid]

Never mind FITA rules, I'm pretty sure that even carrying a bayonet is illegal full stop.


well this is where it gets weird, u can BUY them and some places, but its illegal to OWN one. also if u do have exemption (permit) you still need a reason for owning it, reason for carrying it and i suppose a reason for jamming it on you bow.

so yes....its illegal

[Jim Reid]

I think it would be allowed if it was detachable, not 'sharp' on edges and not called a bayonet. It is simply an amazing accessory that can be a stabilizer weight, a bow stand, a pile remover (from strammit), a fistmele gauge (would have calibrations), we could go on. Important thing is it needs a new name, Shannon's idea, so call it a shannon. Perfect!

"Excuse me judge, is it OK to use a shannon on my bow?"

"Of course it is, heaps of guys use them now, so waht do you mean is it OK top use a shannon, I use one. You trying to be funny or something."

"No. Just asking"

[Archangel]

I think it would be allowed if it was detachable, not 'sharp' on edges and not called a bayonet. It is simply an amazing accessory that can be a stabilizer weight, a bow stand, a pile remover (from strammit), a fistmele gauge (would have calibrations), we could go on. Important thing is it needs a new name, Shannon's idea, so call it a shannon. Perfect!

"Excuse me judge, is it OK to use a shannon on my bow?"

"Of course it is, heaps of guys use them now, so waht do you mean is it OK top use a shannon, I use one. You trying to be funny or something."

"No. Just asking"
Or maybe more likely, "Ooooh that's a newfangled device ye've got there lad. Back in my day we weren't allowed things like that, not that we could afford them, I had to share my stabiliser with five other archers! None of this flashy carbon fibre either, we used to do it all with wooden arrows and longbows, and we used to split a willow wand from a thousand paces, while walking twenty miles to school through the snow. You don't know how good you've got it..."

;-)

[Liam]

Or maybe more likely, "Ooooh that's a newfangled device ye've got there lad. Back in my day we weren't allowed things like that, not that we could afford them, I had to share my stabiliser with five other archers! None of this flashy carbon fibre either, we used to do it all with wooden arrows and longbows, and we used to split a willow wand from a thousand paces, while walking twenty miles to school through the snow. You don't know how good you've got it..."

;-)

:rofl:

[tropicalshot]

Or maybe more likely, "Ooooh that's a newfangled device ye've got there lad. Back in my day we weren't allowed things like that, not that we could afford them, I had to share my stabiliser with five other archers! None of this flashy carbon fibre either, we used to do it all with wooden arrows and longbows, and we used to split a willow wand from a thousand paces, while walking twenty miles to school through the snow. You don't know how good you've got it..."

;-)
now that took me back to the AMG in Adelaide PMSL
:rofl:

[Ozzy]

now that took me back to the AMG in Adelaide PMSL
:rofl:

You were at Adelaide Archery Club I assume ?
"That there's a huntin' bow son." (any compound bow under 42" ATA)
It's like a working museum of archery gear :D

[The One]

Or maybe more likely, "Ooooh that's a newfangled device ye've got there lad. Back in my day we weren't allowed things like that, not that we could afford them, I had to share my stabiliser with five other archers! None of this flashy carbon fibre either, we used to do it all with wooden arrows and longbows, and we used to split a willow wand from a thousand paces, while walking twenty miles to school through the snow. You don't know how good you've got it..."

;-)

And then they got up and cleaned the entire lake with their tongues, before walking 58 miles to school, uphill, both ways, then returned home, and if they were really lucky, got beaten to sleep with a wooden spoon?

[frommy]

You had a home? Lucky bugger. We only had a cardboard box!

:silly:

[Jim Reid]

Ok that's the end of the sketch, oops sorry did I say sketch I meant thread.

anyway, I don't argue I just contradict.

no you dont! yes I do.


The Archer Song

I'm an archer, and I'm okay.
I shoot all night and I shoot all day.

MOUNTIES:
He's an archer, and he's okay.
He shoots all night and he shoots all day.

BARBER:
I cut down trees. I make my own bow
I go to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays I go huntin'
And have buttered scones for tea.

MOUNTIES:
He cuts down trees. He makes his own bow.
He goes to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays he goes hunting
And has buttered scones for tea.

He's an archer, and he's okay.
He shoots all night and he shoots all day.

BARBER:
I cut down trees. I skip and jump.
I like to shoot wild things.
I shoot in women's clothing
It helps with the rankings.

MOUNTIES:
He cuts down trees. He skips and jumps.
He likes to shoot wild things.
He puts on women's clothing
It helps with his rankings!

He's an archer, and he's okay.
He shoots all night and he shoots all day.

BARBER:
I cut down trees. I wear high heels,
Suspendies, and surprise,
I wish I'd been a girlie,
Just like 2Dogs, Dr.Phil, and all those Queensland guys

MOUNTIES:
He cuts down trees. He wears high heels,
Suspendies, and a surprise

[talking]
What's this? Wants to be a girlie?! Oh, My!
And I thought they were so rugged those Queenslanders. Poofters!...

[singing]
He's an archer, and he's okay.
He shoots all night and he shoots all day.

He's an archer, and he's okaaaaay.
He shoots all night and he shoots all day.

onya Queensland! :rofl:

(apologies to MP, and any offended Queenslanders) ;)

[Bottom Dweller]

They're all men in tights ...

with small limp stabilisers ;-)

[shannonhearse]

See, I reckon its a must have on all bows.

All i need is someone who is capable of machining up an appropiate device to hold it on the stabalizer.

[Jim Reid]

Looks good Shannon, field captain blows the whistle to shoot, you charge the target, bayonet the thing repeatedly, straw flying everywhere, finish it with an arrow up it's 'X'.

"Listen men we need to wipe out these strammits bastards before it's too late, little buggers turn up at nearly every shoot on the ASWA calendar and make our life hell. Well like the same way the Chinese exterminate flies, everytime you see one of those little strammit critters it's your duty to destroy that friggin strawboard menace before it gets you.........

one of them got me mate last week, snapped his shaft in half, and played havoc with his piles......

I hate those strammit bastards"

[tropicalshot]

"Listen men we need to wipe out these strammits bastards before it's too late, little buggers turn up at nearly every shoot on the ASWA calendar and make our life hell. Well like the same way the Chinese exterminate flies, everytime you see one of those little strammit critters it's your duty to destroy that friggin strawboard menace before it gets you.........

one of them got me mate last week, snapped his shaft in half, and played havoc with his piles......

I hate those strammit bastards"[/QUOTE]

having never shot stramit but have heard its been likened to shooting at concrete and needing king arthur to remove your arrows, i have to say what ever S.A. used at the AMG at adelaide was great, anone tell me what it was????

[Sir.Nightingale]

while walking twenty miles to school through the snow. You don't know how good you've got it..."

;-)

im assuming that was up hill both ways after having to clean the lake with our teeth after we had gone to bed 30min after we woke up and dad had killed us every night?

as i far as i can see you can do almost anything with a stabilizer? as long as it doesnt touch the ground during the shot or get in the way of other archers?

[Pianochick]

This thread is great. :D