Club Shirts

[Coghlan]

I have recently been advised that a club in South Australia has banned advertising on the Club Shirt, even if it meets the FITA standards, is the club allowed to over-rule FITA ?

Pat

[Stryker]

I think that when it comes to club shoots they can make rules that suit them as long as they don't break rules... Such as Camo on the field of play.

But i don't think that they could ban archers wearing such things if they are holding a FITA registered event.

[Coghlan]

Where did you find that in the rule book ?

All I can find is .....

BOOK 1

FITA CONSTITUTION AND RULES

CHAPTER 2 - ELIGIBILITY April 1st, 2006

24

2.2.4 Athletes will comply with the requirements of FITA sponsorship contracts during

FITA Championships.

2.2.5 Tobacco and Alcohol advertising and sponsorship are forbidden at FITA World

Championships.

2.2.6 Athletes may wear advertising in addition to the normal manufacturer trademarks of

the articles worn. The manufacturer

[Stryker]

[QUOTE=Coghlan]Where did you find that in the rule book ?

All I can find is .....

BOOK 1

FITA CONSTITUTION AND RULES

CHAPTER 2 - ELIGIBILITY April 1st, 2006

24

2.2.4 Athletes will comply with the requirements of FITA sponsorship contracts during

FITA Championships.

2.2.5 Tobacco and Alcohol advertising and sponsorship are forbidden at FITA World

Championships.

2.2.6 Athletes may wear advertising in addition to the normal manufacturer trademarks of

the articles worn. The manufacturer

[Coghlan]

Exactly I agree so what covers the rest ?

[mrlogan]

I suppose it would depend if they have written it into their constitution.

At club events I would say its up to the club.

[GuyDawg9]

i don't see what the big problem is as long as it doesn't change the look of the club shirt to much i believe thier should be no real problem...

[Stryker]

From what i understand... Clubs have a set of rules that govern everything from scoring to safe practice. AA and associates don't actually control individual clubs as they are separate org's all together. Clubs add there own rules that are just for them. (eg, access to the club rooms during the week or access to target faces)

Im not sure that FITA or AA or associate could stop a club from banning the display of logo's as long as its not a registered FITA event.

[Ozzy]

Adelaide AC rules dictate that the shirt is to be gold & unadorned in any form.
Although the club also has approved a green & gold shirt of a particular pattern.
Is AAC the club you refer to Pat ?
I reckon the support of brand logos on shirts & caps make our sport more interesting, exciting & competitive. ;)

[Coghlan]

I do not want to name the club, otherwise we would just start bagging the club and thats not what I want.

In this day and age when we are trying to gain sponsorship to stop ot seems so old school.

[Liam]

I do not want to name the club, otherwise we would just start bagging the club and thats not what I want.

In this day and age when we are trying to gain sponsorship to stop ot seems so old school.
Am I correctly reading that they mean specifically on the CLUB'S shirt? If so that seems pretty reasonable, because you would be associating the club with whatever company that is. If they said you couldn't do that, but then also said that you HAD to wear the club shirt, then I could see an issue.

[Brocky]

Club colours should be all white.

[Ed]

I don't think it's a question of overriding FITA - more that the Club is deciding what IT wants - I assume that the members had a vote on this, of course.
If it doesn't want advertising then that is the Club's decision as long as it complies with the requirements of the RGB. That's democracy in operation - I trust!




I have recently been advised that a club in South Australia has banned advertising on the Club Shirt, even if it meets the FITA standards, is the club allowed to over-rule FITA ?

Pat

[tropicalshot]

Club colours should be all white.


no way how boring

get some colour into archery
our club shirts are bright red and white/state shirts green and white

[Dr Phil]

Gundi Tournament Archers were sponsored by McCaffertey's Coaches. We had a patch on the sleeve. That was a pretty rad deal. Free bus rides anywhere. Was good as I did not have a car at the time.

It seems some groups do their best to chase off sponsorship by making rulings like this one.

Personally I believe that acceptable dress should be......

Men.

-Pants/shorts that can take a belt of predominately one colour. I would have to look for the exact wording but basketball uses this (minus the belt rule). The belt itself does not have to be worn.

- Shirts may be Club, State or National team uniform. Personal Sponsor branded clothing. Shirt with collar of predominately one colour.


Simple

I think whites is a rediculous rule. looking at many of the old timers in the Ruggers and greying white T shirts, they look worse than anyone else.

[BioPirate]

I suppose it boils down to the type of shoot you are doing.
At a club level you abide by the club rules.
At a FITA shoot you follow FITA rules.
If the rules of a club dont seam to make sense then look through the rule book and see what the rules actually say.
With the sponsorship issue the club committee make the rules through the years of running the club and when the original rule was made it was because someone was stupid with an advert that was in total bad taste on the shirt and the rule was made to stop idiots like this. I have found that in the past when I wanted rules changed I put forward a written proposal with a full explanation as to why and what the benefits would be. The club may re wright the rule to say what advertising is appropriate and what isnt as with the FITA rules.

[whiz]

I'd say that the clubs can enforce what they want when you're at the club, wearing a club shirt. They're the local authorities.
However, when you're not shooting at your club, unless the club says that you can't modify your club shirt to your hearts content when you're not on club grounds, I'd say that it would be open slather.

However, you're allowed to put your name on your shirt and I'm not sure of the regulation dimensions for that.
Maybe time to deed poll change my name to HOYT?

If you're at a Fita event, Fita rules apply.
So unless your club happens to see you with a modified club shirt at an Fita event and take it upon themselves to instantly expel you by an extraordinary committee meeting because you have gone against their wishes (providing that their constitution allows them to do this) I doubt that they could do much.

(That means that you'd be unaffiliated with FITA and ineligible to receive any prizes and possibly not even shoot)

Mind you, any club that did this would be labeled fairly uncharitably by anyone that knew of it..

[tropicalshot]

in this day and age i am supprised a club would nock back ay form of sponsorship,
i am sure my club would love some sponsorship and would gladly accept the sponsors logo on our shirts.
demorcraticaly the club members would vote on the issue and a majority rule would apply, but i would imagine if it was benificial to the club it would not be an issue.
any arrow or bow manufacturers want to sponsor our club????

[GrahameA]

The topic of dress codes has been raised many times on this forum and it is would seem that more than a few archers are not happy with the way things happen some times.

Some Archers get sponsors and are expected to promote their sponsors products. So it causes issues for them.

The there are requirements if you are shooting as part of a team - it would seem reasonable for everyone to at least look as if they are part of the team.

Perhaps it would good for the people who decide what can and cannot be worn to have a look at a few videos of the World Cup - or similiar event.

As for the all-white. Once it was the uniform for many sports and some sports have stuck with it however, many sports have moved to other colours and designs.

I think I will have to go and get myself sponsored. Hey, Boss.........

[Gary Petts]

I must confess that I was the cause of this issue and I'd just like to set the record straight.

Another member and myself wanted the club concerned to update the old style polo shirts to something made out of microfibre and hopefully with some coloured panels to offset the navy blue. We particularly wanted the cooler fabric for summer and the ladies wanted something a bit more tailored.

Some time ago Pat Coghlan sought and received permission to make up two shirts with the club logo. One of these was for someone he sponsors and the other was for me. The shirts had the club logo, our names and then "Pats Archery" and his website address embroidered underneath the name on the front. Across the back also was Pats Archery. I have been a mobile billboard ever since and for anyone that knows me, I still have plenty of advertising space to spare!

I was asked on one occassion to not wear this shirt to a team event where I was competing for the club and so I wore my regular "official" club shirt. We have a rule in the club rules that says words to the effect that regardless of ability we can be prevented from competing in a team event if we do not wear club uniform (which incidentally still refers to a white shirt and we wear navy blue)

The proposal I put to the club was that we would source and cost shirts from the current and a couple of other suppliers and then bring them back to the members for comment.

I also suggested that perhaps members would like to consider having advertising on their individual shirts and we could open this up to the 3 SA Archery suppliers where each would be asked if they wanted to sponsor individual shirts, i.e. pay an amount to have their advert appear. Each Archery business was to be asked how much they were prepared to pay, the prices would be locked in for 12 months and this amount could be deducted off the price of any shirts on which their advert appeared. The effect of this was that a club member may get $5 off his shirt if he agreed to have Supplier A's name on his shirt, perhaps $4 for Supplier B and maybe $7 for Supplier C OR he could pay the full price for no advert.

This was voted on at a club meeting and the members who were present voted to have no advertising on the official club shirt, which was the democratic right of those present, which unfortunately did not include the members who were proposing the option and had asked that this be postponed to a subsequent meeting. C'est la vie (Such is life)

However. at the same time it was agreed by those present that members can basically wear whatever they like at club shoots, including advertising and also when competing as individuals in Tournaments. They also decided to stay with the same supplier who will now provide a microfibre shirt and they did not wish to consider quotes from other suppliers.

The actual effect of this is that for one tournament each year (The Adelaide Lord Mayor's Shoot), members can only represent the club in this team event if they wear club uniform, i.e. the shirt with no advertising. The rest of the year members can wear what they please.

The only negative in all this is that for 99% of the time, while I personally will continue to wear clothing to promote Pat's Archery, which is my choice to make, I now feel uncomfortable about having the club logo on Pat's shirts, so I've ordered more without the club logo and I'm sure to get a long life span out of the "official" club shirt!

Cheers, Gary

P.S.
I've temporarily removed my club name from my profile because I have not intended to bag the club either.

[whiz]

I don't know about you guys, but hot weather, microfibre and I don't mix...

[GrahameA]

Evening Gary

That is a great post and well and truly clarifies the situation. Personally I think the club has made a good decision - when you shoot as a club you look like a club. And you can wear other shirts you like at other times. An ideal compromise.

[Erika]

I don't know about you guys, but hot weather, microfibre and I don't mix...

Just don't sweat.

[Jim Reid]

just don't shoot.

(we definitely need a head shaking emoticon, GAL!)