[ANZ] matchplay and ANZ ranking?!?

[burt666]

Hi All,

Seems like i'm not the only one interested by this issue, i create this dedicated thread....

Matchplay tournament results don't count for anything in the ANZ ranking system aside of what's happening at Nationals, even when the tournament is registered as Major.

It is sending a bit of a unclear message to the Athletes i think, as ANZ wants its international represent to perform well in those type of competition (reinforced by the fact that they wont send an official team at the OZ Nats now that the matchplay is out), but on the other side the tournaments with matchplay day wont help the attending archers rank any better nationally....

Mr Slick did propose in the OTHC thread the following formula as a start

50 points for a win, 40 for 2nd, 30 for third, 20 for 4th, 10 for 5th, 8 for 6th, 6 for 7th, 4 for 8th?????

Simple formula, emphasis on winning/medalling, need at least eight competitors at an event to earn ranking points. Must be a major tournament.


I know even people wishing for both days of a two day event (one FITA day, one 720 + matches day for example, if we take the actual OTHC format) count equally in the ranking system

The present system can be found here: http://www.archerynz.co.nz/ArcherRanking/RankingSystem/tabid/67/Default.aspx

I know Justin got something in mind but not sure what it is all about yet, sure he'll post something once he'll spot this thread.

Any ideas? thoughts?

[The One]

I certainly like the idea of having matchplay worth something for ranking. Though as it is, I think the ranking system is a bit of a farce with the way it works. I made some suggestions to try and make it a more sensible system, coincidentally similar to the method Australia uses, but was told that a lot of time had been put into creating the current system so I should back off...

Still, we can always try! Currently points are awarded for matchplay placings at the nationals.

[puddin]

I certainly like the idea of having matchplay worth something for ranking. Though as it is, I think the ranking system is a bit of a farce with the way it works. I made some suggestions to try and make it a more sensible system, coincidentally similar to the method Australia uses, but was told that a lot of time had been put into creating the current system so I should back off...

Still, we can always try! Currently points are awarded for matchplay placings at the nationals.
i think your right here in that the current system doesnt work to well. i for one pay very little attention to the ranking list. but if it was changed to something that made sense and allowed all the major rounds we shoot (Fita, matchplay and maybe the fita720) to be counted then it would be great.

[burt666]

i think your right here in that the current system doesnt work to well. i for one pay very little attention to the ranking list. but if it was changed to something that made sense and allowed all the major rounds we shoot (Fita, matchplay and maybe the fita720) to be counted then it would be great.

I'm not so much asking to revolutionize the whole system.... more like an evolution / amendements.

To incorporate 720's, it maybe be feasible to half the summited full FITA scores (and so the actual ranking, and the various bonuses / maluses...). I believe a 720 score is more or less equivalent to a FITA divided by two, at comparable index. you can then present 720 and full FITA score on equal basis?!?

Tho it may not work as nicely for the Ladies / Juniors. I will play around with indexes tonight or so....

[Archangel]

Probably easier to double the 70m score so it fits the existing data - agree that it should match fairly well for Men's FITA, not sure about others though.

[The One]

Probably easier to double the 70m score so it fits the existing data - agree that it should match fairly well for Men's FITA, not sure about others though.

Yeah, it does fit reasonably well. Though there is no need for it to if the system worked off something like your highest two FITAs and highest FITA 70m round. Might encourage more clubs to run 70m rounds.

[jtimps]

I disagree with everythin that has been said except the fact that the ANZ ranking systems is not one. There are three primary considerations that a ranking system must have:
1: It needs to be fair to all archers. Saying it should include two of this and one of that is not fair, not all NZ archers can regularly attend matchplay and saying that they should run some is not an answer, I live in auckland and we can get enough archers in a division to hold a devent matchplay event, but other areas can not.
2: It needs to be accurate. This relates back to point 1, if it is not accurate then it is not fair.
3: It needs to be easy to administer. This does not mean that it need to be simple, it should be as complicated as it takes to get a fair result. Any archers who really wants to know how it works can just put the effort in to understand it.
I did submit a proposal to the ANZ board that included all of these and combined everything so it did not matter what shoot you shot, you would get the same ranking points for shooting at the same skill level, and like all attempts to alter the ANZ ranking system, nothing happened. (Although I believe that some lucky ones who have tried this in the past, unlike me, did get a response.)

If the ANZ board ever does want to look at turning their joke into a ranking system that will be of benifit to the archers and to the ANZ board themselves then, as I put in my proposal, I am more than willing to do further research and work to make it happen.

[gizzy]

Interesting as a ANZ board member I have not seen or heard of this proposal or any other, if you feel the current system is not working then take it to the athletes convenor and he can take your concerns to the board

[jtimps]

I can't remember who I sent it to, but it was just after the Ausi Nat's last year. Having been on the periphery of an attempt a year or so earlier, and they were just flatly told that the ranking system was not changing, I was not really expecting much to happen. If things have changed, please let me know and I can try to dig out my proposal again, but I have formated my computer since then and may not have it any more, but will be willing to write it up again as long as it is going to be properly considered.

[gizzy]

As already stated if you follow the correct procedure and go through the athletes convenor then Im sure it will be presented to the board for consideration, that is why we have the athletes convenor to represent the archers, Im sure if your system is better and there is somebody to administer it then it will be taken seriously

[TrevorK]

I quite like the idea of the FITA720 with matchplay used in the ranking, although I often get knock out first round or the second if I get a bye!. Maybe the double FITA's should be changed to the format of day 1 full FITA with the usual distances of 90,70, etc. and day 2 with FITA720 and matchplay. I've only be shooting comps a short while, but I like doing different rounds.
But we should also include the junior distances in this as well. This would encourage the next generation of archers the art of head to head archery. This should be a must for the future IMHO