AA and ABA together - I'd like

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[Eberbachl]

OOOh that is deep, but I wholeheartedly agree trophy52!

BTW, good to see you check out the site so quickly!

:)

[Marcus]

Unfortunatly I can't see it happening. Rumour has it that ABA is even thinking of breaking into 2 factions. Those who shoot field and those who hunt. The top brass in ABA are upset that all these shooters are shooting unlimited and have no want to kill things. It would be great to form under one body, unforunatly ABA is too easy to interest target shooters and AA/AV/FITA is full of too many bull**** rules to interest anyone under 40.
I have an idea that might interest though, going to bed, will post tomorrow.

[Eberbachl]

I think some more respect for other peoples disciplines is in order, to say ABA is too easy for target shooters is utterly ridiculous!

That would be just like me saying target is too easy 'cause I know the distances.

Until someone can shoot 400 every time they shoot an ABA round, how can they call it easy?

:eek

[Marcus]

Firstly going to bed was not my interesting idea :rolleyes
What would be great internally at DVA would be an internal club championships where we shoot ABA field (or 3D) IFAA indoor and a short target round like a Canberra and then take the top shooters in a handful of divisions and maybe also a handicap winner. Keep the divisions small, like only 8 , so not everyone gets an award. No reason we can't shoot between factions in our own club.

[Eberbachl]

Firstly, I must apologize for my kneejerk reaction last night :(

I respect target achers for the difficulty they face at such long distances, and sometimes I get frustrated when the respect is not reciprocal, ABA might be easier in the respect of generally shorter distances, but shooting on the differing terrain of the field course and at unmarked distances sometimes brings a new dimension to difficulty.

Having said that, I think that a DVA shoot comprising IFAA indoor, an ABA round, a 3D, and a target round is a fantastic idea. Maybe we can start getting interested parties involved and plan something for the end of year christmas function and make the DVA club championships an annual event!

Hear Hear!

:):)

Thanks for the edit function!

[Marcus]

I must also apologize as it was a broad statement. It was an example of what the perception is. I personally enjoy shooting ABA field as Fita unmarked field is a bit of a joke these days. Give me IFAA any day really.

[Eberbachl]

I agree, IFAA is great, and I'm planning to set up a new IFAA field course soon, so that we can shoot maybe monthly IFAA's and also hold interclub BI-Monthly IFAA's. The new course would be separate and different to the current ABA butts, so that ABA shooters can't just use the IFAA pegs to judge the distance. ( Not like some other clubs who will remain nameless!!)

[Marcus]

Fantastic! I've been hanging to shoot some IFAA again, really miss it. Yell out if you need some help on a weekend with anything like that. We use to have a seperate course running through there years ago, I havn't been down in a while so I don't know if it's still there.
(First target was a 80 yard shot, hated that target)

[Eberbachl]

Yeah, there are remnants of the old IFAA course down there still, but most of the butts are gone now and it's not shootable. I think that we have enough (or nearly enough) butts to start a new IFAA course, and hope to call a working bee soonish dedicated to building an IFAA course. Don't know if it will have to be only 14 target or if we can stretch it to 28 at this stage, but at least we should be able to start with a 14 target IFAA course and add to it if there is sufficient demand?
:D

[Marcus]

Yeah I went down and shot the ABA round with Jack today and noticed many a butt lying on it's back there. Great thing about an IFAA course is that we can use the same butts as a FITA field course if we wish to.

[Eberbachl]

Yeah, we need to clean up all of those old stramit butts down there, and we can use the new IFAA butts for FITA field as well when we build the new course.

How many targets do we need for a FITA field course, and what are the maximum distances?

[Marcus]

Not sure, it's been years since I shot Fita field. I think it's 24 targets with 3 arrow ends. Max distance I know is shorter than IFAA (70m I think) so you can sit them on the same targets and course. That's what we use to do down there.

[Eberbachl]

Oh well,

that's cool, as long as the max distance is OK we shouldn't have any trouble.:D

[Marcus]

Yeah, after the new Fita target world record of 1414 was shot last weekend I might end up shooting more field now (talk of "What's the point!" has come up from us target shooters)
Any idea on what scores are being shot by FSU in the Marked IFAA rounds in Vic right now?

[Eberbachl]

Yeah, the current world record for IFAA marked field is 554 (out of 560) for A.M.F.U (Adult Male Freestyle Unlimited).

I think the better scores being shot in this state at the moment are about 530-550 for A.M.F.U

I think that A.M.B.U (Adult Male Bowhunter Unlimited) scores are not far behind with current world record 547 for marked field.

Why don't you come and shoot some unmarked rounds as well, IFAA 3D, unmarked IFAA Animal etc?

546 is the Current world mark for IFAA Unmarked 3D out of 560 with scores consistently shot in the 500-540 range.

[Marcus]

I don't mind the IFAA unmarked rounds, but I've only shot the animal version years and years ago. Don't like jumping into unmarked without a load of practice and knowing exact details on the distances shot etc. Want to try IFAA 3D but also want to practise it first. 2 much competitive pride to go in unprepared :)
I use to shoot 530-540 IFAA as a junior so I'm itching to find out how I can do after the long break I've had.
Tossing up on if I should shoot AMFU or AMBU. If I go BU I'll buy a special setup for it.
Any plans on setting up some animals for a day at our club?

[Eberbachl]

Definitely plans to shoot 3D, at the moment we shoot a monthly 3D at our club on the first Sunday of each month, As soon as we get aN IFAA course together we can shoot IFAA animals..

The 3D we are currently shooting is an adaptation of the 3DAAA rules, but now that we have IFAA rules to go by we will be heading in that direction.

As far as shooting FU or BU, it depends what you want. If it's competition you're after, then I reckon BU is the go. Don't get me wrong, there are a couple of top shooters in FU in this state, but the problem is there is only a couple. However, you can see from the results of the IFAA state 3D last weekend that BU is a big division, with alot of pretty good shooters. BU these days is just about the biggest division. Maybe second only to barebow in ABA (bowhunter in IFAA), but is certainly fast cathcing up. I think the calibre of shooters is generally higher in BU than barebow.

[Marcus]

I'm sure I'm annoy some people with this comment. Warning Flame Bait.
I think that's because BU and FU breeds shooters less happy with missing. I've noticed alot of shooters come through the club who are content to shoot barebow and just fling arrows with reckless abbandon. There are definitly exceptions, but in general it's pretty cronic and a little depressing.
Shame there is a lack of good FU shooters out there at the moment, but then I doubt it was ever a big division, if you want to shoot FU then you may as well shot Fita.
I was actually planning on shooting BU to give myself something different and approach it differently. See how money pans out. My Mach 5 does 225 FPS right now and that's not fast enough for BU IMHO.

I'll talk to you next time I see you at the club about what the rules are for 3D, or are they posted at the club anywhere?

[Eberbachl]

The new World IFAA 3D rules are posted on the noticeboard at the club, or I can tell you next time I see you pretty much all about them.

I totally aggree with you about barebow shooters in general, just casually flinging arrows and hoping to hit the butt!

I personally shoot barebow, and only want to hit the 20. I can't see any reason why I should want to hit the middle any less than a sighted shooter, and reckon it would be nice if more barebow shooters thought that way.

I think the problem is one of attitudes. Many ( and I say many, not all) barebow shooters think that to shoot barebow, you have to be a bad shot! They think that the sighted shooters are idiots because they cry when they don't hit the middle. The truth is that they generally aren't crying but are just being analytical, and try to improve the shot. This is exactly what I do ...and I don't even have sights!

What I'm trying to say is that many barebow shooters aren't shooting even close to their potential, and with some practice and advice from those who would freely give it (I am only too happy to help where I can) their scores would most likely skyrocket.

I agree with the people that say ..."but we are only here to have fun" ...but I say you can still have fun and try to hit the middle at the same time!

*me getting off my soap box*

:)