high draw

[noel mac]

can some one explain a high draw? in particular how far does a bow have to be pulled back whilst raising the bow arm to be deemed to be drawn? for instance whilst setting my front shoulder i raise my bow about six inches above my shoulder and my draw hand is in line with my front shoulder and forearm at the height of my nose this means i have drawn the bow approximately 12 to 14 inches at pre-draw is that drawn even though i still have another 14" to go?

[whiz]

Without seeing it, it would likely be impossible for someone to interpret.

Essentially, Judges are for doing that.
I'd suggest that if you had a largely parallel arrow during your draw cycle, nobody would complain much.
If you drew your bow back to anchor with an elevation that, if let loose at any point would tend to overshoot the target butts, then you might be walking on the wild side of being pulled up for it.

[James Park]

The line of the arrow is supposed to not go above the top of the target.
(Of course, some bright spark will point out that for a slow bow at a long distance the elevation of the arrow will place that line above the target when it is properly aimed, but I think the objective can be pretty readily understood).
It is perfectly possible (and desirable) to start with a high bowhand but for the arrow to be horizontal. That is, it is certainly not necassry for the arrow to be aimed way over the target.

[johnske]

The actual rule is: 7.7.7 When drawing back the string of his or her bow an athlete must not use any technique which, in the opinion of the Judges, could allow the arrow, if accidentally released, fly beyond a safety zone or safety arrangements (overshoot area, net, wall etc.). If an athlete persists in using such a technique, he or she will, in the interest of safety, be asked by the Chairperson of the Judges Commission and/or the Director of Shooting to stop shooting immediately and to leave the field.note that this rests entirely on the judges opinion...

Some judges tend to be a bit relaxed about these 'high draws', many others aren't, so if you use a high draw it may be a bit of a lucky dip on whether you'll actually get pulled up about it ... except if you're unlucky enough to get me - I'll pull you up on it :)

[2Dogs]

Well then you just shoot the Judge ;)

I think if you raise it above the Target, that's ok. The critical point is when you actually start to pull the string back, and what the angle is when you do.

[James Park]

You often see it when archers are using a bow that is too strong, or when their technique is incorrect.

[johnske]

Well then you just shoot the Judge ;)

I think if you raise it above the Target, that's ok. The critical point is when you actually start to pull the string back, and what the angle is when you do.Yeh, I'm really tough on it, but never-the-less I'd still have to see it 'live' to make a decision as to "my opinion" of it...

[Ed]

I think if you raise it above the Target, that's ok. The critical point is when you actually start to pull the string back, and what the angle is when you do.

I think deux chiens has hit it on the head here.

[bigfella]

Well then you just shoot the Judge ;)

I think if you raise it above the Target, that's ok. The critical point is when you actually start to pull the string back, and what the angle is when you do.

I seem to remember pulling an arrow out of the wall some 8-10 ft above the floor after a certain archer's D loop broke at the Toowoomba Indoors last year, eh? 2Dogs.. It would have gone miles, eh 2Dogs :) Slight problem with the high drawing action eh, 2Dogs :(

[Clare Barnes]

I seem to remember pulling an arrow out of the wall some 8-10 ft above the floor after a certain archer's D loop broke at the Toowoomba Indoors last year, eh? 2Dogs.. It would have gone miles, eh 2Dogs :) Slight problem with the high drawing action eh, 2Dogs :(

What's the problem then?? Johnske quotes the rule as:

7.7.7 When drawing back the string of his or her bow an athlete must not use any technique which, in the opinion of the Judges, could allow the arrow, if accidentally released, fly beyond a safety zone or safety arrangements (overshoot area, net, wall etc.). If an athlete persists in using such a technique, he or she will, in the interest of safety, be asked by the Chairperson of the Judges Commission and/or the Director of Shooting to stop shooting immediately and to leave the field.

[bigfella]

No problem Clare. Just giving the old fella a bit of stick

[2Dogs]

Slight problem with the high drawing action eh, 2Dogs

Ha!.... I straight draw, but when your D_Loop let's go right in the power stroke..... you go see where your arrow goes ;)

Same thing happened at 90m shooting a QRE with Ed Wilson..... the arrow went to the top the hill behind the butts at MPB

So imagine what would happen if you high drew, and that happened :D