Arrows touching the line

[James Park]

Craig R had an interesting one today. He shot an arrow and got a nasty score. However, the target butt was a bit lacking in that area and the arrow went well through. The shaft was clearly out but the fletches were touching the line.
In or out?
Without reading the rule book (which of course one should do), I think it says 'arrow touching the line', and one could readily suggest that means 'any part of the arrow', and hence perhaps it is 'in'?

[Clare Barnes]

Yep, you should read the rules Jim!

7.6.2 An arrow will be scored according to the position of the shaft in the target face. ...

[Craig R]

Yep, you should read the rules Jim!

For the record I didn't take the higher score. But I know plenty that have in the past and believe its ok to do it.

I also thought it was ok. whoops:o

[Drift_Puncher]

it just means you need a bigger shaft... :P

[Ed]

Yep, you should read the rules Jim!

Have to agree with Clare - shaft.

[Bottom Dweller]

Is there a definition of the "shaft"?

I seem to recall that the rules state somewhere that the shaft must be uniform. However barrel arrows, like x10s are allowed.

So what if someone produced an arrow with the fletches already moulded into the shaft so that it is a single item. Let's go further and say they placed some of those fletch protusions in the middle of the arrow where the arrow was likely to rest in the face. Where does the shaft finish and the protusions start?

[DKW]

Is there a definition of the "shaft"?

I seem to recall that the rules state somewhere that the shaft must be uniform. However barrel arrows, like x10s are allowed.

So what if someone produced an arrow with the fletches already moulded into the shaft so that it is a single item. Let's go further and say they placed some of those fletch protusions in the middle of the arrow where the arrow was likely to rest in the face. Where does the shaft finish and the protusions start?

You've got to be joking!

[Bottom Dweller]

Yeah a bit far fetched but not out of the question.

OK, what if you placed thick wrap in the area that the arrow hit the target face. Where is the shaft then?

[tropicalshot]

Yeah a bit far fetched but not out of the question.

OK, what if you placed thick wrap in the area that the arrow hit the target face. Where is the shaft then?
depends on much you upset the judge on the day ;)

[Ed]

Yeah a bit far fetched but not out of the question.

OK, what if you placed thick wrap in the area that the arrow hit the target face. Where is the shaft then?

I suppose it depends on just how "thick" the wrap was. Does it take the thickness of the shaft over the 9.3mm maximum, for example?

[schme1440]

I have always believed it to be the shaft.

[Bottom Dweller]

I suppose it depends on just how "thick" the wrap was. Does it take the thickness of the shaft over the 9.3mm maximum, for example?

So a 5mm arrow with a small section of 9.3mm wrap in the middle might be legal?

I'm not sure what the flight characteristics would be of such an arrow but I think you may start seeing a few a competitions soon.

[2Dogs]

Nup.... I would DQ you....well because I could :D

[Ed]

Yeah a bit far fetched but not out of the question.

OK, what if you placed thick wrap in the area that the arrow hit the target face. Where is the shaft then?

So - what is your intention in placing such a wrap? I would suspect it's to gain an advantage (why else would you do it? Answer truthfully!) If so, then it's to other competitors' disadvantage - hardly fair play or sportsmanlike?

[Bottom Dweller]

So how does any barrel arrow like an X10 or many of the wooden long bow and flight arrows pass?

[Marcus]

So - what is your intention in placing such a wrap? I would suspect it's to gain an advantage (why else would you do it? Answer truthfully!) If so, then it's to other competitors' disadvantage - hardly fair play or sportsmanlike?
But not illegal. ;)

Sportsmanship is a relative term

[Bottom Dweller]

So - what is your intention in placing such a wrap? I would suspect it's to gain an advantage (why else would you do it? Answer truthfully!) If so, then it's to other competitors' disadvantage - hardly fair play or sportsmanlike?

I personally would do it, but this was a hyperthetical case discussion to clarify the rules :-)

[Bottom Dweller]

I personally would do it, but this was a hyperthetical case discussion to clarify the rules :-)
Sorry should be "wouldn't". Can't find edit facity on this thread.

[Ed]

So how does any barrel arrow like an X10 or many of the wooden long bow and flight arrows pass?

Quite simple - the X10 complies with the maximum diameter not exceeding 9.3mm,
For longbow (only recognised by FITA for field/flight/clout - the rules relating to arrows are different!
For example, there are 3 sections relating to arrows for use in field archery:

1. Recurve/compound/barebow - the 9.3mm stuff, etc., applies
2. Longbow division - the only restrictions are that the shafts be of wood, that
points be field-type, and that natural feathers be used.
3. Bowhunter different again
Check 9.3.7 of the Rulebook.
Also there are different arrows permitted for flight depending on bow type.