DVA considering leaving ABA

[Marcus]

Well ABA has decided not to recognise DVA, a club that has been affiliated for 20 something years, and thus we are left with the decision of fighting it further or simply becoming a AA and maybe 3DAAA affiliated only club.

It is very disappointing that the ABA powers that be up north continue to shaft their members every chance they get. Amazes me that people still give these idiots money, and personally I'm all for DVA not paying more cash into the ABA housing fund. :x

This will be debated at the AGM in a few weeks.

[robbo]

Is this because of your ties with 3DAAA Marcus?

If thats the case it's a bit ordinary. :-?

[robbo]

I sincerly hope it is resolved better than DVA and ABA parting ways.

[Alan Loy]

What does "not recognise" mean? What is the reason given for such a position given the harmonious nature of a club with both AA & ABA affiliation over 20 years??? Or is that it?

I joined DVA about a year ago & one of the attractive things was to have both styles at the club. I am currently an AA member but I was considering adding an ABA membership & shooying some of those comps. Why does this not make sense.

DVA is one of the larger clubs arround and one of the reasons in the joint membership. I would think that DVA should be used as a model rather than being condemed.

What is going on???

[Alan Loy]

Marcus I'm not sure about the title of this thread. Is DVA thinking of leaving or are we getting the boot?

[Marcus]

Robbo, I have no ties with 3DAAA. I am not a member , have shot one of their tournaments. Also this is not my decision, it's ABA's decision and the commitee's.
DVA has tried to resolve, but ABA up north is not coming to the party.

Yes Alan, you are correct, DVA is getting the boot, however we are close to not bothing to fight it further.

[mike]

The only course of action I would take would be to voice loudly your objections to ABA (noting the number of ABA members you have), in writing, then simply get on this forum and anywhere else and make as many people as you can realise how @#$!% up the administration is for being this short sighted and petty.

Pity, considering ABA members sometimes complain that our organisation (AA) is "stuffy" and "closed shop". Seems it really does go both ways.

Yet again it is demonstrated that the powers that be of our governing bodies are completely out of touch with the archer on the ground.

[Lyne de Heaume]

I would really like to know what the issue is with ABA and DVA. Could someone at DVA or ABA give us all the details?
Why is DVA "getting the boot''? What is not being recognised?

I am absolutely amazed that DVA might not be affiliated with ABA.
How can ABA afford to loose such a excellent member club?

I have the greatest admiration for DVA, its organisational ability to run both AA and ABA, sustain an excellent membership and put on so many shoots for so many archers.

My family and I have always been treated with respect and friendliness at DVA and their generosity at ABA shoots is second to none.

I have been using the DVA standard when thinking of ways to improve Bacchus Marsh Bowmen's level and I'm dumbfounded at this news.

Please enlighten.

[Marcus]

According to ABA you can not be an affiliated club and have a single member of your club who is not ABA. As it is well known DVA has ABA and AV members, and has done for 20+ years. For 20+ years we have paid our affiliation fees and not been allowed to vote on ABA boards due to our joint status.
Another Victorians ABA club has decided to do the same, they had to or else the council would shut them down as ABA's insurance is not good enough. ABA has tried to block their move with this club's defence being "but DVA is a dual club" and now we are being told we will lose our measurers etc.
DVA has paid stupid amounts of money to ABA over the last 20 years and this is the thanks we get. Why continue to be part of an association that doesn't give a crap about it's members?
BTW Bruce has gone in to bat for us and huge thanks to him, but it's getting beyond a joke now.

[Marcus]

BTW our 2 day is STILL going ahead, and I urge all to shoot. Could be the last.

[Bruce]

Marcus,
I am dissapointed with this thread and feel upset that you have taken this course of action .

I have been trying my hardest to help DVA out of this trouble and am quite upset with this response .

DVA IS NOT GETTING BOOTED OUT OF ABA .[/b]

What has happened is that , since mpb has decided to become an duel membership club , ABA national has rescinded there qualifications of officers (I don't agree with this ) They have argued that as DVA is a dual membership club as well that they shouldn't have officers as well .

I have asked several of your ABA members to supply me with details of your past measureres and instructors but as yet I have only recieved 4 names , I believe that there should be more , I need facts to help me argue with national .

I have spoken with the national president on this matter and believe that we had reached a point bennifficial to both parties , I raised this in an email to David the other day and he responded to me .
I suggested that he raise it with the members and to get back to me , Instead I read this thread that says DVA is getting the boot .

Once again , DVA IS NOT GETTING THE BOOT FROM ABA , ANY ACTION TAKEN WILL BE DVA'S OWN .

I will ring you to talk in person regarding this Marcus , I had hoped that my visit the other night would have started the ball rolling on a positive outcome .



DVA is not

[Marcus]

Thanks for your call Bruce.

Unfortunatly the only real course of action is to ABA to change their constitution. This is not an impossible task, but it must happen to take us into account.

I think it's highly likely we have only had 4 names in the last 20 years, most of our work has been done by 2-3 people.

[robbo]

Robbo, I have no ties with 3DAAA. I am not a member , have shot one of their tournaments. Also this is not my decision, it's ABA's decision and the commitee's.


I didn't mean you personally.

[Randall Wellings]

ABA national has rescinded there qualifications of officers

Bruce...as I have been lead to believe, the constitution prevents a person that holds an executive position Nationally or Branch, from holding an executive position in AA and visa versa.

Where's the problem...if this is in fact the case then I can certainly see why that exclusion is in place. There would be potentially an enormous conflict of interest.

ABA is made up of members...not clubs...they do however provide member's clubs an avenue to access insurance, and they also provide the member's clubs the opportunity to host Branch shoots from time to time.
Other than that, ABA is a member association.

Cheers

[Marcus]

Robbo, DVA is not associated with 3DAAA either. Some of our members are talking about it, however at this point in time it has nothing to do with anything.

[Kuru]

Marcus, if DVA do decide to become a 3daaa club let me know, you have your first member :)

[Bruce]

Randall you are right . The members of DVA that have lost there accreditation are the bowhunting instructor and the club measurer .

Both of these positions have been approved for the past 20 years by the national executive . and now after all this time they enforce the constitution .

I personally don't believe it is right ,

I hope that DVA consider all there options and talk with me before making any decissions.

[Randall Wellings]

Bruce..

These people would only loose their accreditation if they were to hold an executive position within A.A.

Surely you can see how there could be a 'conflict of interest'.

I can understand this action, and don't have aproblem with it.

Cheers

[robbo]

Robbo, DVA is not associated with 3DAAA either. Some of our members are talking about it, however at this point in time it has nothing to do with anything.

I stand corected. :oops:

I used the word ties, I did not mean in a strict sense. I should have said interest.

[Bruce]

thats the problem Randall,

The members that lost there accreditation as Bowhunting instructor and game measurere were not members of AA . they were purely members of aba and due to the fact that DVA is not a 100%club after 20 years of not being a 100% club they got there accreditation pulled.

Ithink some consideration should have been given .

[Juggs]

bruce i think we are all capabale of making a balanced decision on what gets said here on this forum. let marcus say his piece if its wrong or right we will here about in the end.

and it also lets us know how associations really feel about the archers wants and needs and how petty most of them are.

[Randall Wellings]

they were purely members of aba and due to the fact that DVA is not a 100%club after 20 years of not being a 100% club

"something stinks in Sweden"..... again, I ask you Bruce "how can this be" as there is no such animal as an ABA club.

ABA is member based, not clubs.

DVA may not be listed as an ABA registered club, to which I can understand that there is no reason for having officially accredited measurers and instructors.

I may be ignorant to all the facts, but I do find it quite amaizing, but also feel there must be more than is being let on as it just don't ring true.

It is always a good thing to jump up and down and critisise the ABA, (A.A. has always been such a credible association, ha,ha) but throughout the many years of membership and the seeming endless head butts that I have had with past executives, I can assure you that when presented with the full facts, the present ABA executive has responded in a way that keeps me very much enthused.

Still wondering.

cheers

[Lyne de Heaume]

What gets a lot of people upset with events such as the DVA/ABA dispute is a perceived injustice.

Perhaps those in authority should remember that it is the spirit of the law that should be considered and not just blindly follow the letter of the law just because it is written down and by being written down give it some undeserved extra weight.

Its written interpretation can be argued till the cows come home and all you get is confusion whereas the spirit of the law is discerned by reason and discrimination based on the needs of those concerned.

If no harm is done by addressing changes to laws and constitutions so as to better serve those for whom they were first written, then so be it.

All laws, rules, by-laws and constitutions were originally meant to serve the people and NOT the other way round and in the case of club and associations, their respective Constitutions and rules are to serve the members of those organisations for which they were written.

It behoves all those concerned to interpret the rules according to the best interest of the people and not get themselves into the undignified position where they just become beaurocratic and serve nothing but their own whimsical egos.

[Randall Wellings]

WOW

Lyn, you really did need to get that off your chest, didn't you.

Totally agree, but as to this particular debate, the resolution rests entirely with the DVA executive.

Cheers

[Marcus]

the present ABA executive has responded in a way that keeps me very much enthused.



We shall see. DVA is not interested in giving up something with nothing in return. It will be up to ABA to come to the party.

[OldDog]

Again we see the reason why archery will never be a force in the Australian sporting community. Until such time as all associations can swallow their pride and roundtable a plan for the future of archery we will continue to be a fragmented jigsaw of what we should be.
In a world of deregulation there is no longer the protective umbrella for any one association to hold sway over members without paying the price of losing membership at an alarming rate.It is pleasing to note AA's willingness to talk with the fledgeling 3daa with a view to close cooporation in archery activity in the future. ABA is in an awkward situation by virtue of its bowhunting ethic, The other associations should reckognise that bowhunting is an irretrievable part of the archery world and should offer their su[pport for such, Fear of left wing govenmernt backlash is no excuse. ABA should do its part by easing up on its draconian membership stipulations. There are many fine people in all associations and the cross exchange of ideas can only help archery in the future.
3daa was born out of peoples discontent with aba, It is growing at a healthy and consistant rate every year. the association is apolitical and welcomes archers from all disciplines, If the game does not appeal to you then we have very little to offer but those who enjoy this style of archery are welcome any where any time. I laugh at people who try it for the first time and comment, Why is everybody happy, Noone is whinging about the association yet they are paying almost twice the price to shoot.
The fruit of this associations labor is already being born out in the number of new clubs who, In a very short space of time have aquired good facilitys for their members, The idea of the money staying with the clubs at ground level is paying off handsomely. Strong roots mean healthy treetops, but it must be remembered that those treetops must be pruned regularly to allow for healthy new growth.
To DVA I say I hope you can sort out your differences with ABA, They still have a lot to offer. However if it isnt possible you will find you are most welcome to approach 3daaa with a view to a profitable partnership. regardless of the outcome, Archery MUST come first.

[Randall Wellings]

you are most welcome to approach 3daaa with a view to a profitable partnership

Noel, doesn't it bare consideration that if FITA, of which A.A. is a member and the newly formed 3DI ... which IBO was (the association to which 3daaa aligns itself) has taken the helm of the World 3D competition, then ultimately A.A will be the controling body of 3D in Australia.

Will there be a place for 3daaa?

I would like to know how the best 3D shooters in the country (3daaa) are going to be picked to represent Australia in a F.I.T.A. event, me thinks 'they' will have to join A.A. to be considered. Granted, many are already members, which brings up the point.,is there a need for a stand alone 3daaa?

Hmmmm

Cheers

[OldDog]

You need to fire your research team Randall, 3di is not at the helm of world rd, It is an attempt at closer cooperation between the different archery codes and nothing more, Should that develop any further It may be a good thing for archery.3daa not only !!WAS!! but still is and will remain aligned to IBO, They are our parent body and, along with 3 other countrys we have been given total autonomy over our own destiny, Why would you choose an open forum for such a deliberate and unprovoked attack on a fine association, This association bears no malice to any other and wishes only for closer ties with all archers, under no circumstances will 3daa surrender control of its destiny to any other association, Work with them yes, For them yes, but be subservient to them, Emphaticly not.

Now just who are the many current top 3d shooters who are fita members, I know of a couple only, In the championship division, which by definition is the top division I know of just one dual membership, MY own.
Teams for world representation will be picked exactly the same as they are now, By their performances on the 3daa national circuit.
Your ignorance of the true status of this association and its aims and ideals is patently obvious.

[Randall Wellings]

Noel...there was never any attempt to undermine any part of any association..."using an open forum"....debate...isn't that what it's all about.

Mis-understanding again...I was saying that I found it difficult to accept that AA would be able to provide the best 3d shooters as they do belong to 3daa.

Geeze...don't be so defensive..nobody here is trying to derail your association.

Oh and by the way...has anybody told 3DI that they are not going to run the show...or shound that read FITA..or maybe it should just come down to "Jim Easton" is going to run the show.

When you get into the real world(USA) I can assure you, you will get a different perspective...

cheers

[Randall Wellings]

You need to fire your research team Randall, 3di is not at the helm of world 3d

IBO ANNOUNCES FITA ASSOCIATION
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Release Date: 01/21/02

IBO/3DI and FITA announce ground-breaking international alignment

The International Bowhunting Organization (IBO) is pleased to announce the completion of an agreement with the International Archery Federation (FITA) to promote and expand 3-D archery competition worldwide.
With the IBO's formation of an independent organization, 3DI (3-D International), it will cooperate with FITA to join forces to hold 3-D tournaments and championships under international rules.
Under terms of the agreement, 3DI representatives will participate as members of a FITA 3-D Ad Hoc Committee to promote and encourage member associations in all 130 FITA member countries to join forces in expanding 3-D archery shooting.
"The joint promotional effort between FITA, the IOC-recognized International Sports Federation for archery, and 3DI as the experts of 3-D archery, will greatly increase the worldwide growth of 3-D archery. We are pleased to have 3DI affiliated with FITA," said Jim Easton, President of FITA.
As a result of the affiliation, FITA and 3DI will develop one set of rules for competitions and championships and develop plans for a FITA/3DI World 3-D team Archery Cup for each country.
"We at 3DI look forward to working with FITA in the coming years to develop 3-D archery on the world stage," said Ken Watkins, president of IBO and 3DI. "Although it's immensely popular in some parts of the world, 3-D competition has not been regularly exposed to potential participants in many sectors of the archery community. We welcome this opportunity to help develop participation in 3-D as well as all of archery's disciplines."

That extract is from IBO....

and yes IBO is an american association which lets others compete under their rules and rgulations..IBO is not made up of representatives from all member countries who control the direction of the organisation.

This next is FITA's version of happennings. :o

[b]FITA

[OldDog]

These drafts have been around for some time and do represent truthfully what 3di's goals are, However if you look intop it a little deeper you will find that 3dI already have their rules for shoot up and running, They are a totally different format to ibo and in no way infringe on ibos modus operandi, If 3daa and aa can get their collective heads together then there will be two venues for archers to participate in 3d activity, Dont overead the situation randall, ibo is going to remain as it stands and so is 3daaa, As to what will be required for 3daaa members to compete under a 3di format has yet to be decided but preliminary talks have already taken place and the ceo of aa has expressed a willingness to accomodate 3daaa in every way possible, I will be meeting with Ken Watkins next month to discuss further 3daaa's unique position in the 3d world but all indications are that we will get an out come favourable to all parties. Defensive, I think not, It was you who took umbrage at totally innocuous remarks, not I. see you on the 3d course.

[Randall Wellings]

Defensive, I think not, It was you who took umbrage at totally innocuous remarks, not I.

the jury is still out on that one :fist: :fist:

I doubt that the present format will remain as is...I do believe 3DI will become the controling body for international 3D.
admittedly there will be smaller associations operating throughout the world doing their own thing, but when it come to the big one.."3D World Championships" 3DI will call the shots...not IBO..and every other "smaller associations" will have to come to their party. (my opinion)

ibo is going to remain as it stands and so is 3daaa,
granted...they will perhaps remain as a domestic association....

and isn't it nice to actually be discussing things that are of interest or concern to archers...I ask a question....you have provided a response...things can only get better.... :wink: :D

cheers

[OldDog]

As you say, It is your opinion, I do not share it with you and neither will the 4000 competitors at snowshoe this year (Not bad for a domestic competition) As for our own domestic competion we are quite happy to roll along under the current format, It is working admirably and as long as the punters are happy to pay and play 3daaa will provide the game for them. As the 3di thing unfolds you will find that world 3d domination is not their goal, They are about finding a vehicle to create unity among the archery fraternity, Something that has been lacking for a long time, Heres hoping it works.

[Randall Wellings]

4000 competitors at snowshoe this year

Be careful when yanks are quoting numbers, ie 1000 competitors shooting for 4 days equates to 4000 competitors.
As I said Noel, be prepared to have your eyes opened.

as long as the punters are happy to pay and play 3daaa will provide the game for them
can't ask for more, as I said previously, I wasn't passing critisism on 3daaa

They are about finding a vehicle to create unity among the archery fraternity,
and it's a bloody good thing to.

cheers

[Simon Hendry]

DVA has just paid it assosiation money to ABA so we will be staying with ABA but we need 3daaa or AA for the insurance cover

[rinaldo]

Why bother associating with ABA when they wont cover you for insurance? Seems pointless!

[Shermo]

Be careful when yanks are quoting numbers, ie 1000 competitors shooting for 4 days equates to 4000 competitors.
As I said Noel, be prepared to have your eyes opened.



Randall 4000 would be on the money :D There were 1100 competitors in MBR alone when I went to Snoeshoe in 2000 :o I saw the multiple sheets with competitors scores on them :wink:

[Randall Wellings]

Why bother associating with ABA when they wont cover you for insurance? Seems pointless!
Rin..if you were over in the pound i would actually tell you what I think of this most remarkably STUPID comment... :wink:

You really do have a problem..don't you :roll: :roll:

How could you possibly concider after all that's been posted of late, that through ABA you still do not have insurance cover...if this is infact the case then you must show a little credability by presenting all the facts..not just those that you think will cause controvercy...

Common..tis the season to be jolly..tra la.. tra la..tra la..

Maybe Syd..oops I meen Santa :o will bring you a great big policy to stuff up..ooops.. :o in your stocking :lol: :lol:

cheers

[Jacob Goodwin]

Where to begin:

How could you possibly concider after all that's been posted of late, that through ABA you still do not have insurance cover...

The conclusion that the ABA will not provide insurance cover to particular clubs, originates from two sources:
1. The ABA Constitution, which states quite clearly that "Associate Clubs" (those clubs who are not solely affiliated with ABA) are NOT covered by insurance
2. Various conversations with and emails from ABA National Executive members and Branch Controllers.

The proposition that "Associate Clubs", such as DVA, are not covered by insurance is a LONG STANDING ABA position. Thus, Rin's comments querying the benefit to any similarly situated club of remaining affiliated with the ABA if it's not covered under its public/general liability policy are quite "concidered" (spell check is quite easy to use). Further, his supposition that the only benefit to any club of being affiliated with the ABA would be the access to its insurance coverage stems from his involvement in a MWFA Steering Committee that has been tasked with investigating this issue.

if this is infact the case then you must show a little credability by presenting all the facts..not just those that you think will cause controvercy...

At the risk of appearing insensitive to any learning disabilities, or to the possibility that English is not Randall's first language, I would suggest that he refrain from criticising Rin's "credability", and alleged propensity to cause "controvercy", until he can effectively master some basics of written communication.

[Randall Wellings]

JG..

yu mi freind are an absuloot "wanker"...I did use spell cheque and yes.. 'wanker' is indeed spelt J..A..C..O..B.. G..O..O..D..W..Y..N.. :fist:

have a nice day..tosser :wink:

[Randall Wellings]

Associate Clubs... Affiliate Clubs
says it all ...you can't have your cake and eat it to :wink:

geeze..i'm getting the nack of this tolerance thingy

have a nice day

[Shermo]

JG..

yu mi freind are an absuloot "wanker"...I did use spell cheque and yes.. 'wanker' is indeed spelt J..A..C..O..B.. G..O..O..D..W..Y..N.. :fist:

have a nice day..tosser :wink:

Wake up to yourself Randall :roll: Everyone knows that your a very much pro ABA and are willing to defend its standing. This is mirrored in my defence of associations that I belong to.

BUT! You do not need to publicly insult people in the way of calling them 'Wankers and Tossers' in a vindictive fashion. Archery in Australia needs numbers no matter what association, and putting people down like this will deterr them from participating in any form of it.

From what I know Jacob is a relative newcomer to the sport compared to some of us here on the forum, and he is just trying to see between the lines as we all do at times. :wink:

[Randall Wellings]

Andrew Andrew Andrew...settle down :lol: :lol:

BUT! You do not need to publicly insult people in the way of calling them 'Wankers and Tossers' in a vindictive fashion. Archery in Australia needs numbers no matter what association, and putting people down like this will deterr them from participating in any form of it.

and his

At the risk of appearing insensitive to any learning disabilities, or to the possibility that English is not Randall's first language, I would suggest that he refrain from criticising Rin's "credability", and alleged propensity to cause "controvercy", until he can effectively master some basics of written communication.

it's amaizing how people can have their judgement compromised :o :o

and I did add the appropriate faces :wink:

have a nice day

[Shermo]

:wink: :o Wont get you out of **** in my book Randall.

Too often do you put people down and throw in a few smileys too cover yourself.

[Marcus]

Randall and Jacob
Debate this issue without insults. This is the last warning on the matter. I will hand out suspensions of memberships if it happens again. I am over the thread after thread of personal attacks, especially on this issue than can be debated effectivly without calling each other names.
This behaviour I expect from the US boards, not here.

[Jacob Goodwin]

Marcus (and the rest of the forum),

Please accept my humble apologies for any"out of bounds" behaviour on my part. My intent was to engage in a lively debate on an important topic, not upset you or any member of the forum.

By way of explanation, my impression was that a bit of "ribbing" was acceptable. In fact, previous threads and postings indicated that this approach was almost the preferred method of debate. That being said, I do realise that I went "a bit over the top" in my recent posting on this thread.

Thus, I will refrain from any further "personal" attacks on other forum members (with the exception of Rin!!! HA HA!)

Regards

Jacob

[rinaldo]

DVA has just paid it assosiation money to ABA so we will be staying with ABA but we need 3daaa or AA for the insurance cover

Read the quote Randall. I was not saying that ABA has no insurance because I have gone on record in previous posts stating that they in fact do have insurance!! Let me rephrase the question why would DVA in there particular situation associate with ABA then feel the need to get cover from 3DAAA or AA? Why associate with someone who is not meeting there needs? What is it that ABA offers in there situation that makes DVA want to associate with ABA? A genuine question.

I take offence to your comments because Im not studid or trying to stir up any trouble. Please curb your aggressiveness and personal insults because they not needed or appreciated. Stick to the facts. Thanks.

[Marcus]

Rinaldo
DVA has associated with ABA so our members can still play their game and still attend shoots etc and also because that's what the members want. However we do not allow our members to be members of only ABA to shoot on our grounds.
I agree with you. ABA are giving us nothing for our money.

[rinaldo]

Thaks Marcus thats what I was after a resonable answer to what I thought was a fair question. Regards Rin. Catch up with you at the 3D shoot in Vic next year. :P

[2Dogs]

At the risk of appearing insensitive to any learning disabilities, or to the possibility that English is not Randall's first language

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ...Oh GOd I just found this and haven't stopped laughing....Good one.

Hey Randall.....your an ARSE H O L E :lol: .(perfectly acceptable up here in QLD)

Ok Marcus, ban me now.....I need a break :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Eberbachl]

I'd also like to make it very clear that whilst we retain our membership with ABA because we still want to offer our members access to the ABA game, we do not only affiliate with 3DAAA for the insurance :D

3DAAA does provide us with excellent insurance, but I'd like to make it clear that we have been in consultation with 3DAAA for some time about affiliation with them, and our real motivation is to join the good people at 3DAAA in an effort to provide all forms of archery to all of our members. Our first considerations towards joining 3DAAA came well before we even considered it to be any sort of solution to insurance problems.

Archery for everybody regardless of their association is something that many of us are passionate about at DVA, we very much like the 3DAAA game, and agree with the 3DAAA philosophy.

:bday:

Thanks,

:angel:

[robbo]

DVA has just paid it assosiation money to ABA so we will be staying with ABA but we need 3daaa or AA for the insurance cover

Read the quote Randall. I was not saying that ABA has no insurance because I have gone on record in previous posts stating that they in fact do have insurance!! Let me rephrase the question why would DVA in there particular situation associate with ABA then feel the need to get cover from 3DAAA or AA? Why associate with someone who is not meeting there needs? What is it that ABA offers in there situation that makes DVA want to associate with ABA? A genuine question.

I take offence to your comments because Im not studid or trying to stir up any trouble. Please curb your aggressiveness and personal insults because they not needed or appreciated. Stick to the facts. Thanks.

I don't think this is the Quote that Randall was responding to. This is your actual quote:

Why bother associating with ABA when they wont cover you for insurance? Seems pointless!


In which you do in fact say they do not provide insurance.


On the topic of insurance, I think there is a law that states that you cannot insure the same item with two different pollicies.

I could be wrong, as I have been in the past, I am sure. Or it could be that certain insurance companies will not offer cover if you are covered by someone else?

But if there is anybody on the forum that knows insurance, and I don't mean someome that has an uncle whose dog used to belong to an insurance rep. :wink:

Maybe they can enlighten me.

[robbo]

G...... I mean Marcus, I just checked my post to make sure I didn't insult anyone, and no swear words were used.

[Marcus]

DVA has just paid it assosiation money to ABA so we will be staying with ABA but we need 3daaa or AA for the insurance cover

Read the quote Randall. I was not saying that ABA has no insurance because I have gone on record in previous posts stating that they in fact do have insurance!! Let me rephrase the question why would DVA in there particular situation associate with ABA then feel the need to get cover from 3DAAA or AA? Why associate with someone who is not meeting there needs? What is it that ABA offers in there situation that makes DVA want to associate with ABA? A genuine question.

I take offence to your comments because Im not studid or trying to stir up any trouble. Please curb your aggressiveness and personal insults because they not needed or appreciated. Stick to the facts. Thanks.

I don't think this is the Quote that Randall was responding to. This is your actual quote:

Why bother associating with ABA when they wont cover you for insurance? Seems pointless!


In which you do in fact say they do not provide insurance.


On the topic of insurance, I think there is a law that states that you cannot insure the same item with two different pollicies.

I could be wrong, as I have been in the past, I am sure. Or it could be that certain insurance companies will not offer cover if you are covered by someone else?

But if there is anybody on the forum that knows insurance, and I don't mean someome that has an uncle whose dog used to belong to an insurance rep. :wink:

Maybe they can enlighten me.
And in fact rinaldo was correct, ABA will not provide DVA with insurance given our club make up and he was asking why we continue to pay association fees to ABA given they are not providing us with anything.

[rinaldo]

Robbo I understand that Randall ws referring to my quote, again I know ABA has insurance but it seems not in DVAs situation according to Simon Hendrys post . Therefore the question was why bother associating, Marcus has since answered that question,sorry about the confusion.

[dad]

YOU PEOPLE OUT THERE IT WILL ENTIRELY UP TO THE MEMBERS OF DIAMOND VALLEY ARCHERS TO DECIDE IF DVA STAY ON WITH ABA

TO MY KNOWLAGE ABA STILL REGARD AS AN AFFILIATED CLUB AND WILL CONTIUE TO DO SO UNLESS OUR CURRENT DUAL AV ABA 3DAAA FALLS INTO THIER GUIDE LINES

I BELIVE THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AS WE AT DVA JUST LIKE TO SHOOT ARROWS AND GET ON WELL WITH EACH OTHER

AS TO WHY PAY FEES TO ABA I SIMPLE IF WE DO ASSOCIATE WIYH ABA WE CAN NOT RUN ABA SHOOTS AND THAT MEANS WE MISS OUT ON COMPEATING AND MEETING WITH OUR ABA BUDDIES ON OUR HOME TURF

I FOR ONE DONT WANT TO SEE THIS HAPPEN SO IF IT COST US AS A CLUB AND A GROUP OF ARCHERS I SAY LET THE BARSTARDS HAVE THE MONEY WE WILL HAVE THE FUN OF COMPEATING WITH OUR FELLOW ARCHERS...


END OF SERMEN

SEE YOU AT OUR NEXT ABA 2 DAY SHOOT :-? :-? :-?

DAD STEVE CHAMBERS ABA &3DAAA MEMBER

[Bruce]

That's right Steve , as an associate club Dva can apply to host tournaments for ABA , they can have there say as a club at Branch meetings , That is correct , the club as an entity is not insured but all members of ABA that are taking part in club activities are covered by aba insurance .

I posted the certificate of currency on the forum in the bowhunting section .

Lets not turn this into another insurance fight .


Bruce
GVB controller

[Marcus]

Amen Rev Dickhead Welder. :D


I'm keeping a close eye on this one Bruce to make sure it doesn't, no need for it to.

[robbo]

Well we can strike that one up as a missunderstood post. :-?


I did not enter this debate to argue anything, that is counterproductive.

I was merely ....ahh forget it, I am tired of explaining myself. :(

I too would like some resolution with the associate and affiliate club set up.

[Marcus]

Well we can strike that one up as a missunderstood post. :-?


I did not enter this debate to argue anything, that is counterproductive.

I was merely ....ahh forget it, I am tired of explaining myself. :(

I too would like some resolution with the associate and affiliate club set up.
Maybe this one wasn;t about your comments robbo :roll:

[MPB]

It maybe somewhat late in this thread but MPB have also continued to remain as an associate club with ABA regardless of the politics & mislead gossip that hovers, it is purely another fun game to play and our club like DVA are catering for our members and the sport of archery as a whole. :P Diversity is the spice of life :oops:

Club members now have a bigger choice of what game they now want to play
:lol:

[Randall Wellings]

Club members now have a bigger choice of what game they now want to play

You guys need to try the 'Aussie' Round...normal or expert...give them both a go they are truly fun and very challenging...

I agree..the more the merrier

cheers

[Steve B]

Andrew Sherman wrote :
Archery in Australia needs numbers no matter what association, and putting people down like this will deterr them from participating in any form of it.

I think this encapsulates just about every archer out there in Archery Land.. rather than pulling each other part , why dont we work together to achieve a common goal, the ability to shoot arrows in all disciplines. I must say belonging to all association can be expensive , but if we like it why not .. I am sure that we each have our own favorite discipline but all forms are great. Even Clout :lol: :D 8)

[AVM]

Hi,

After a break of a few years I returned to DVA only to learn that the previous custom of applying for dual-membership:
1. DVA
2. ABA

was no longer possible (according to the membership director). Instead, membership was offered to:

1. DVA
2. 3DAAA

leaving me wondering what happened to ABA. Judging from old posts on this forum there had been some discontent surrounding DVA and ABA - what's the latest?

I would be very disappointed to learn that DVA, a great archery club with a magnificent site, would no longer be hosting those weekend-long ABA tournaments/camps.

Regards,

AVM

[Marcus]

Don't worry about it avm. Instead we have been running 2 Day 3DAAA shoots. Better rounds and the club makes alot more money from them.

[Eberbachl]

DVA's still a great archery club (IMHO the greatest :D ), offering excellent target and field opportunities.

DVA, as a club is in the best shape it's been for years - and we've got some incredible infrastructure in place as a result. Huge target range, great indoor, and some very cool field courses set up, and ready to shoot at anytime ;)

We joined 3DAAA a year or two ago, and have subsequently been refused any association with ABA despite DVA's application to do so.

So, to shoot at DVA, a member must be either an AV (AA) member, a 3DAAA member, or fill out the appropriate temporary player form.

Unfortunately ABA was unable to satisfy our insurance requirements, and therefore, we can't allow people only holding ABA membership to shoot unless they satisfy one of the above requirements.

I remember the great ABA 2 day shoots we used to have, and used to love getting out to other clubs shoots too. But unfortunately ABA wouldn't help us satisfy our obligations to council RE: insurance, and DVA had no option than to insist that ABA members also joined AV or 3DAAA to be covered.

Like Marcus said, the 3DAAA shoots are a blast! More and more people are enjoying them, and the club really benefits from them too.

[AVM]

Marcus and Luke,

Thanks for the clarification. It seems to be a good thing then that I did join 3DAAA while rejoining DVA.

I guess I should now find out about the 3DAAA events, their rules, etc, so that I can be thoroughly familiar with the various challenges. how they are scored/assessed and train for them properly. Any tips on where to find this information?

As for ABA, I may consider joining that organization later when I finally determine which supposedly Geelong-based club purchased a property near Airie's inlet for hunting purposes - I used to hunt on that property when it was owned by a WWII veteran who had originally received the land as a WWII gift from the government and who knew my father 40+ years ago as "the first scout" in that area (long story).

Regards,

AVM

[Eberbachl]

Marcus and Luke,

Thanks for the clarification. It seems to be a good thing then that I did join 3DAAA while rejoining DVA.

I guess I should now find out about the 3DAAA events, their rules, etc, so that I can be thoroughly familiar with the various challenges. how they are scored/assessed and train for them properly. Any tips on where to find this information?

As for ABA, I may consider joining that organization later when I finally determine which supposedly Geelong-based club purchased a property near Airie's inlet for hunting purposes - I used to hunt on that property when it was owned by a WWII veteran who had originally received the land as a WWII gift from the government and who knew my father 40+ years ago as "the first scout" in that area (long story).

Regards,

AVM

G'day avm,

Check out the Field and 3D section of this forum.

There's a thread containing the 2005 Vic 3DAAA calendar, and a thread containing the rules there. You can also check out www.3daaa.com ;)

Or, ask any of us at the club, we'll fill you in. ;)

There's a one day shoot at MRA next weekend, and the Vic state titles at DVA the weekend after.

Chek 'em out ;)

Cheers,

:bday:

Luke.