Standard Recurve Division

[tropicalshot]

7.3.2 The FITA Standard Bow equipment is defined as follows:
The requirements of article 7.3.1 will apply in their entirety with the following additional
provisions and/or modifications:
7.3.2.1 The bow will be of a simple design, either a take-apart type (with wooden or metal
riser) or of one-piece construction. In both types of bow the limbs will be of
wooden and/or fibreglass construction.


Now according to the above Fita Rule Wording, My question is in regards to the limbs.

Should the newer Fibre glass Carbon limbs and the even newer Carbon Foam limbs be excluded or are they a legitimate inclusion into this division??

Also should the carbon riser be included as legitimate equipment now? as opposed to the ruling.
(7.3.2.1 The bow will be of a simple design, either a take-apart type (with wooden or metal riser))

i know the general inclusion of this category was to allow archers who could not get access to the top of the line equipment to compete in a division on a more equal footing in competition, but how many times have you seen a Std bow shooter turn up with the latest Riser/Limbs/String/spinwings Etc.?

[Archangel]

Should the newer Fibre glass Carbon limbs and the even newer Carbon Foam limbs be excluded or are they a legitimate inclusion into this division??
I would say yes because a judge can't look at a limb and know what it's made from. If you can't effectively enforce a rule, don't bother trying.

Also should the carbon riser be included as legitimate equipment now? as opposed to the ruling.
(7.3.2.1 The bow will be of a simple design, either a take-apart type (with wooden or metal riser))

i know the general inclusion of this category was to allow archers who could not get access to the top of the line equipment to compete in a division on a more equal footing in competition, but how many times have you seen a Std bow shooter turn up with the latest Riser/Limbs/String/spinwings Etc.?
No. Absolutely not. Helices etc aren't legal because they're not "of a simple design". I think some of the various Win&Win designs weren't acceptable either.
As far as somebody turning up with that equipment; someone was talking about a similar situation a while back. Can't remember who it was... might have been reversehaven?

Incidentally, it's "Standard Bow", not "Standard Recurve". I don't think there's any requirement that the bow is a recurve?

[tropicalshot]

I would say yes because a judge can't look at a limb and know what it's made from. If you can't effectively enforce a rule, don't bother trying.

if the limb is marked CX900 For instance a judge indeed would know what limb it is and could therefore judge on it. so i think it needs Specifically to say no carbon limbs or carbon foam limbs.


No. Absolutely not. Helices etc aren't legal because they're not "of a simple design". I think some of the various Win&Win designs weren't acceptable either.
Helix's may be simple to some and not to others, the rule does not say specifically no Tec Bars so in a few years time a helix's would come under a Simple design' under the ruling i can only see , so long as it fits through the ring of 12.2cm it has to be allowed.
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Incidentally, it's "Standard Bow", not "Standard Recurve". I don't think there's any requirement that the bow is a recurve?

well according to Fita rules and i quote

"7.3.2 The FITA Standard Bow equipment is defined as follows:
The requirements of article 7.3.1 will apply in their entirety with the following additional
provisions and/or modifications:

rule 7.3.1 is the recurve bow section so it specifies that it is recurve.

[Archangel]

if the limb is marked CX900 For instance a judge indeed would know what limb it is and could therefore judge on it. so i think it needs Specifically to say no carbon limbs or carbon foam limbs.
What if I turn up with a pair of 900CX's with tape over the logos? (don't laugh, I've seen this done before in the recurve division)
Or just a pair of carbon limbs with no markings - or even something a bit more obscure, say some Border limbs. Are the judges meant to be familiar with the technical specs of all the limbs out there?

Helix's may be simple to some and not to others, the rule does not say specifically no Tec Bars so in a few years time a helix's would come under a Simple design' under the ruling i can only see , so long as it fits through the ring of 12.2cm it has to be allowed.
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No, FITA issues directives at times indicating that certain risers aren't legal for barebow or standard bow or whatever. The Axis, Aerotec and Helix never have been legal for those divisions.
It is a bit fuzzy, but it's pretty obvious what the spirit of the rule is - if you try to push it at an event, you risk a judge chucking you out for having a not-simple bow.

rule 7.3.1 is the recurve bow section so it specifies that it is recurve.
Where does it specify that it must be recurve? What's the rule?
I'm sure you're allowed to shoot longbows in Standard bow.

[Marcus]

The standard bow was designed for developing countries and not relevant for use in Australia.

[tropicalshot]

Where does it specify that it must be recurve? What's the rule?
I'm sure you're allowed to shoot longbows in Standard bow.

7.3.2 The FITA Standard Bow equipment is defined as follows:
The requirements of article 7.3.1 will apply in their entirety with the following additional
provisions and/or modifications:
7.3.1 For the Recurve Division, the following items are permitted:
7.3.1.1 A bow of any type provided it subscribes to the accepted principle and meaning of
the word bow as used in target archery, that is, an instrument consisting of a handle
(grip), riser (no shoot-through type) and two flexible limbs each ending in a tip
with a string nock. The bow is braced for use by a single string attached directly between
the two string nocks, and in operation is held in one hand by its handle (grip)
while the fingers of the other hand draw, hold back and release the string.

agree it does say a bow of any type but as it is in the recurve section it has to be a recurve,but does a longbow technically have a handle/riser??
just like the compound section lists a compound so you have to have a compound to shoot in that division.(been down that road with FITA on that one)

No, FITA issues directives at times indicating that certain risers aren't legal for barebow or standard bow or whatever. The Axis, Aerotec and Helix never have been legal for those divisions.
It is a bit fuzzy, but it's pretty obvious what the spirit of the rule is - if you try to push it at an event, you risk a judge chucking you out for having a not-simple bow

Thanks for clearing that one up :thumb:
thats why i posted here for clarification,
(i have no intention of shooting STD Bow but as a learning Judge its always good to know)

[tropicalshot]

The standard bow was designed for developing countries and not relevant for use in Australia.

tell that to some of the medal hunters i have come across :rofl:
But as its recognised in Fita so we have to recognise it at a FITA shoot if someone turns up with one.

[The One]

depending on your definition, carbon fibre is a form of fibre-glass.

[GrahameA]

agree it does say a bow of any type but as it is in the recurve section it has to be a recurve,but does a longbow technically have a handle/riser??


Yep. It has a handle section. That is where the arrow passes or the Bowyers mark is. Some bows even have handles that bend.

[Archangel]

tell that to some of the medal hunters i have come across :rofl:
But as its recognised in Fita so we have to recognise it at a FITA shoot if someone turns up with one.
No you don't.
Plenty of shoots don't offer junior divisions - World Cups etc - or the junior worlds doesn't have senior divisions. The tournament organisers can offer what divisions they want to.

[Archangel]

Yep. It has a handle section. That is where the arrow passes or the Bowyers mark is. Some bows even have handles that bend.
Some recurves of certain brands (which will remain nameless to protect the guilty) also have risers that bend!

[The One]

Some recurves of certain brands (which will remain nameless to protect the guilty) also have risers that bend!


:rofl:

[tropicalshot]

Strange how a division that was made to have basic equipment can now have a basic riser yet top of the line limbs, would have thought there would have been some restrictions on limbs seeing as the riser,arrows,sights, even spotting scopes have restrictions, yet limbs can be any type,:silly:

i mean given the choice would you as a shooter rather have a top of the line riser and basic limbs,
or a simple riser with top of the line limbs? sort of negates the purpose.

one crazy division.:confused:

allways learning, thanks for the input :thumb:

[TrevorK]

Carbon fibre is made from wood, and resins in glassfibre are/can be use with the carbon fibre. Carbon fibre is a material, but weak and bittle, but mixed with resin a strong composite material, as glassfibre is a composite and the wood/glass limbs are also composite materials. This could also be the same with carbon fibre risers, therefore to me they are all legal, unless they specified the ratio of wood to resin. But there is a lot resin in glassfibre. Of course I could be wrong on the understanding of this post.

[Archangel]

Strange how a division that was made to have basic equipment can now have a basic riser yet top of the line limbs, would have thought there would have been some restrictions on limbs seeing as the riser,arrows,sights, even spotting scopes have restrictions, yet limbs can be any type,:silly:
Well, that was just my take on it - I may well be wrong. It has happened before (although rarely now I'm an engineer :-P).

[ec]

i think if you've got the money for top of the line limbs you won't be staying in that category for long.

[tropicalshot]

i think if you've got the money for top of the line limbs you won't be staying in that category for long.

you will be supprised the lengths some people go to get a medal the easiest way they can.(XBow assist comes to mind ;))

which is why i am still supprised that Fita have not put a limb restriction on certain limbs, maybe they will maybe they wont