JAMA Indoor National Championships 2008!

[flyboy_su27]

G'day. Well, as many of you know Gisborne had to cancel this years JAMA indoor champs.

However, it is my pleasure to announce that Manawatu Archery club will be hosting the JAMA indoor National Nhampionships for 2008. The competition will be held on the 27th and 28th of September and will take place in Arena 3, part of the Arena Manawatu complex.

Please find an entry form below, with all required info. It would be awesome if other NZ members of AF could spread the word as well and hand out these entry forms to all juniors who may be interested. Just let me know if you have any questions :thumb: I have sent the form to all the JAMA co-ordinators as well.

We are also currently looking at arranging accomodation packages to make the trip easier and cheaper. Look forward to seeing all of your club's juniors there!!! Including you Auckland folk....

[puddin]

oh and on an official side you better all be well behaved as im chief judge for this thing and i dont want to have to be strict with people.

[gizzy]

Glad to see Manawatu running this it will be good to see some of the lower North Island juniors entering into this, one thing I see on your entry is you have it down as the JAMA indoor national tounament, this is incorrect, it is not a national tournament it should be down as the JAMA North Island indoor champs.

[flyboy_su27]

Glad to see Manawatu running this it will be good to see some of the lower North Island juniors entering into this, one thing I see on your entry is you have it down as the JAMA indoor national tounament, this is incorrect, it is not a national tournament it should be down as the JAMA North Island indoor champs.

We have renamed it the National tournament and it has been registered as such. We are accepting juniors from all over NZ, a little different than usual :).

oh and on an official side you better all be well behaved as im chief judge for this thing and i dont want to have to be strict with people.

Bring your cane, I'm not having any nonsense on the line !!:thumb::thumb:

[gizzy]

Unfortunatly the national tournaments are run by ANZ and their are national medals etc and the juniors are already part of the official indoor nationals which means they can claim national medals and records this tournament will have JAMA medals and will not have the same statis as the indoor nats.
You cant have two junior or cadet indoor national champions in one year.
But whats in a name.

[flyboy_su27]

Unfortunatly the national tournaments are run by ANZ and their are national medals etc and the juniors are already part of the official indoor nationals which means they can claim national medals and records this tournament will have JAMA medals and will not have the same statis as the indoor nats.
You cant have two junior or cadet indoor national champions in one year.
But whats in a name.

Hmmm, that is indeed interesting. I wasn't involved in the tounament's naming, so I don't know why it was chosen. But as you say, I don't think the name actually effects much. "National" just refers to the fact that any junior from NZ can compete. It's all confuzzling :), it should be a great shoot though, we're looking at doing t-shirts for all competitors or something similar.

[gizzy]

Good luck Im happy to help any way I can, Gisborne ran four major indoor tournaments last year and one outdoor as well as the TransTasman this is why we decided not to host this one this time, but it is really good to have it in another part of the country , so now its up to you juniors around the country to support it.
Good luck Puddin with the chief judge job Im sure you can keep the juniors in line, it seems like only yesterday you were a junior.

[puddin]

i know what you mean. it was only 2 years ago that i was competing in jama events.
should be good. its interesting that the name wasnt picked up in the registration process.?

[burt666]

i know what you mean. it was only 2 years ago that i was competing in jama events.


you can go on the whole "respect my authorita!" thing!

[The One]

I agree that it shouldn't be called the "National" JAMA Indoor tournament, but all the best with it, hope it is a success. Good stuff on putting your hand up.

BTW - any 'major' ANZ tournament is technically open to any ANZ-registered archer. I.e. I wouldn't have to call it the National Auckland Archery Club Double FITA Star just to allow others to shoot it :)

[32 J2]

Good on you Manawatu for picking up the tournament. I have printed forms to hand out to the Auckland Juniors shooting the WIAC this weekend. Really interested in the accomadation package if it comes off or at least a recommendation of where to stay that is close and clean :D

[puddin]

it appears that the form above is different to the one on the ANZ site. with ANZ site saying its the NI Jama indoors. the rest of the form is identical.
Might pay to check what the tournament form that got sent back to whoever registered it says?

[flyboy_su27]

it appears that the form above is different to the one on the ANZ site. with ANZ site saying its the NI Jama indoors. the rest of the form is identical.
Might pay to check what the tournament form that got sent back to whoever registered it says?

We will be accepting either entry form, as they are both identical, except for the name part.....:thumb::thumb:

[Archangel]

You cant have two junior or cadet indoor national champions in one year.
Seems to work for the North Island champs ;-)

[Sneekyhunter]

Well what’s in a name!
Flyboy is totally correct and may have gone to school longer than the rest by the looks of things.
A National tournament refers to the fact that any junior from NZ can compete.
Also, if ANZ didn’t want to call and register this event as a National, that’s their call no one else’s so if anyone has a problem, take it up with them.

Suggesting Calling this event the JAMA North Island indoor champs would be absolutely wrong.

I am also curious on what authority dose Gizzy have to dictate to other clubs what they can call their events?

Re; Gisborne ran four major indoor tournaments last year and one outdoor as well as the TransTasman

As for Gisborne hosting more events than most, I hope they can let someone else share the honour of hosting an event more often as this may also encourage those who want to compete without the cost incurred in lengthy travel North all the time which in turn will benefit all, so we will just have to wait and see how Gizzy supports this concept.

Well that’s my thoughts today..


In order to make an omelette, eggs have to get broken.

[flyboy_su27]

I think it's pretty much settled now anyways, it is going ahead as the JAMA indoor nationals.

Perhaps we should stop worrying about what we call our tournaments and start looking at the quality of archery in this country, no wonder Aus is flying ahead of us...pisses me off really.

[puddin]

Well what’s in a name!
Flyboy is totally correct and may have gone to school longer than the rest by the looks of things.
A National tournament refers to the fact that any junior from NZ can compete.
Also, if ANZ didn’t want to call and register this event as a National, that’s their call no one else’s so if anyone has a problem, take it up with them.

Suggesting Calling this event the JAMA North Island indoor champs would be absolutely wrong.

I am also curious on what authority dose Gizzy have to dictate to other clubs what they can call their events?

Re; Gisborne ran four major indoor tournaments last year and one outdoor as well as the TransTasman

As for Gisborne hosting more events than most, I hope they can let someone else share the honour of hosting an event more often as this may also encourage those who want to compete without the cost incurred in lengthy travel North all the time which in turn will benefit all, so we will just have to wait and see how Gizzy supports this concept.

Well that’s my thoughts today..


In order to make an omelette, eggs have to get broken.
Gizzy is technically in charge of Jama so im guessing he can decide if the tournament should be a national one or not.

i cant find the results, but from what i recall gisborne ran 2 indoors that anz reconised and one international. and one outdoor shoot,

i dont think they need to share round there shoots, if other clubs want to host shoots then register them and run them, they shouldnt do this based how many another club is hosting. also, as a point if you have an issue with Gisborne as a club you may want to bring it up with the club not on an aus forum where they only have one member present, especially when you dont leave your name.

[flyboy_su27]

And this is why ANZ is ****. Shouldn't we working together to develop archery within our country? We are taking up the mantle this year becuase Gisborne has been really busy this year and have done an awesome job running so many tournaments. Yet all we do is fling **** at each other...

They aren't "sharing around" their shoots, but if they choose not to do it for a decent reason (which they have), we have every right to run it.

I was expecting help and support from archers accross the country, but we have been working up river for ****ing months now with little support. Pretty dissapointing really.:mad:

[Sir Slick]

What is all this "sharing shoots" and where did it come from?

If you want to run a shoot, run one, if you don't want to run one, don't.

Who cares what shoots someone else is got on.

PS More FITA Stars and Matchplay would be appreciated.

[flyboy_su27]

What is all this "sharing shoots" and where did it come from?

If you want to run a shoot, run one, if you don't want to run one, don't.

Anybody can register a major tournament anytime they like - you need not pinch someone else's.

Obviously Gisborne can't run so we will, fair's fair. If a tournament is a NI/national tournament it doesn't really belong to anyone anyway, so yeah anyone can register to host it.

I think next year we will host the One Tree Hill Cup...:rofl::rofl:

[burt666]

Who cares what shoots someone else is got on.

not agreeing with that... if your are carefull your shoot isnt running the same weekend as some other, you maximize the attendance at both i'd say.

Re; Gisborne ran four major indoor tournaments last year and one outdoor as well as the TransTasman

Gizzy will stop me if i'm wrong, but dont believe all those four major indoor tournament were ANZ registered.

As for Gisborne hosting more events than most, I hope they can let someone else share the honour of hosting an event more often as this may also encourage those who want to compete without the cost incurred in lengthy travel North all the time which in turn will benefit all, so we will just have to wait and see how Gizzy supports this concept.

Gisborne put up their hand for the trans-tasman when no one would, made a really good event of it, and i think everybody is very thankfull of that, on both side of the ditch.

As far as ANZ tournaments goes, I guess they must have run their annual double FITA (as they always do), one venue of the World Indoor Archery Challenge (that was new this year), one venue of the Indoor Nats (as they always do)... and i cant recall anything else.... maybe some more ECBoP shoots, but those are not ANZ registered.

If you want to create an ANZ registered event, i think their is plenty of space in the calendar for it, specially before the nationals, as normaly only Auckland and Gisborne offer shoots early in the season before the Nats....

[gizzy]

Obviously Gisborne doesn't want to run so we will, fair's fair. If a tournament is a NI/national tournament it doesn't really belong to anyone anyway, so yeah anyone can register to host it.

I think next year we will host the One Tree Hill Cup...:rofl::rofl:
Hey flyboy I dont know what your problem is Gisborne didnt want to run this tornament so we didnt, the Gisborne club are very pleased that you are running it and wish you luck,as for no help I have been in contact with your club and advised them on what to do and how to run it ever since they contacted JAMA to see if they could host the North Island JAMA champs which was approved I have offered any help on many occassions.

As it has already been stated on this forum any major ANZ tournament is open to all ANZ members so doesnt have to be called a national event, all I was trying to do was correct the fact that it is not a national tournament if you check ANZ rules under National indoor tournament section 2.6 you will see what a national tournament is and this tournament doesnt meet this criteria. The official indoor nationals have just taken place as you know and the juniors were well represented.

I have over the years promoted and supported many tournaments both senior and junior and would love to see more tournaments down your way especially junior ones as there has been a lack of juniors in the Wellington area for a number of years, so please host as many tournaments as you can it will only benifit the sport,

I have promoted your shoot to in the archer and to all the clubs in the country so really cant see why I am being attacked here.

As for sneeky hunter I dont know if he belongs to your club or not but maybe he should have a look at the time I put into archery and the hours I spend judging, coaching, attending board meetings running club and regioal events, all without thanks or pay and then have a good look at himself and see just what he offers the archery world. I would love to just shoot and not have to think about the rest of it, maybe its time for some others to put their hands up and do some work.

[Archangel]

Well what’s in a name!
Flyboy is totally correct and may have gone to school longer than the rest by the looks of things.
My student loan says he hasn't.

A National tournament refers to the fact that any junior from NZ can compete.
That's the case for any tournament in NZ. The word "National" normally implies some sort of national championship level thing.

Suggesting Calling this event the JAMA North Island indoor champs would be absolutely wrong.
Well I agree a bit, but I'd much rather see Manawatu run the tournament with a slightly funky name than piss them all off. "Absolutely wrong" is a pretty strong way of putting it, especially given that as I pointed out earlier, there is effectively no difference between this and the JAMA North Island Champs as far as I can see.

I am also curious on what authority dose Gizzy have to dictate to other clubs what they can call their events?
He's the head JAMA honcho. That's what authority.
Hence, if someone wants to run an "official" JAMA event, they should ask him. I'm sure that in this case Manawatu aren't meaning to cause trouble, and it can all be sorted quite easily if people stop slinging mud for long enough.

As for Gisborne hosting more events than most, I hope they can let someone else share the honour of hosting an event more often as this may also encourage those who want to compete without the cost incurred in lengthy travel North all the time which in turn will benefit all, so we will just have to wait and see how Gizzy supports this concept.
Gisborne isn't taking anything away from anyone by hosting those events. By all accounts they're doing a great job.


Okay, I think this is really getting blown out of proportion. The name of the tournament may not be quite what we all would have chosen, but Manawatu are giving up their time to host a tournament. This is a Good Thing, and the only people that have a problem with it are apparently a vocal minority. I shall assume that the comments made so far in this thread about it's name are intended more as constructive criticism than a serious attempt to derail the event.

So Flyboy, and anyone else from down that way who's reading this: Give it heaps and run a great event. Don't let a few naysayers get you down.

And to anyone else who's decloaking to drop something like that as their first post: Please try to remember that everyone running tournaments, regardless of where they're from, are volunteers trying to do the best job they can. If you can't keep that in mind, feel free to have a nice hot cup of shut the **** up.

[flyboy_su27]

Hey flyboy I dont know what your problem is Gisborne didnt want to run this tornament so we didnt.

No problem. I wasn't reffering to any of your comments, aimed more at others who had mentioned "sharing" or whatever. I know how much time and effort you and Gisborne put into archery, so please don't assume that I am attacking you in any way. We really appreciate any help given, there just still seems to be a lot of crap being stirred by various members of the community.

Basically what I'm trying to get at (as Archangel said) let's just have a good shoot, I don't give a **** about the name damn it. I know that Gisborne has put on a great shoot in the past and we are hoping to live up to the name they have created for this shoot...no matter what that name might be :D

My student loan says he hasn't.

Student Loans don't dictate how long you've been at school, only the quality of your education. Just you wait though, Aviaton likes to eat money.

[The One]

Okay, I think this is really getting blown out of proportion. The name of the tournament may not be quite what we all would have chosen, but Manawatu are giving up their time to host a tournament. This is a Good Thing, and the only people that have a problem with it are apparently a vocal minority. I shall assume that the comments made so far in this thread about it's name are intended more as constructive criticism than a serious attempt to derail the event.

So Flyboy, and anyone else from down that way who's reading this: Give it heaps and run a great event. Don't let a few naysayers get you down.

And to anyone else who's decloaking to drop something like that as their first post: Please try to remember that everyone running tournaments, regardless of where they're from, are volunteers trying to do the best job they can. If you can't keep that in mind, feel free to have a nice hot cup of shut the **** up.

What he said.

[Sir Slick]

not agreeing with that... if your are carefull your shoot isnt running the same weekend as some other, you maximize the attendance at both i'd say.

Next tournament in Wellington that doesn't fall on the same weekend as one in Auckland I expect to see you at then.:thumb:

I do agree with you within "regions".

[Archangel]

Next tournament in Wellington that doesn't fall on the same weekend as one in Auckland I expect to see you at then.:thumb:

I do agree with you within "regions".
You never know, trying to find a South Island tournament this year that didn't clash with a NI one was nigh impossible. There were about six majors in each island, about 5 shared weekends.
Unfortunately for you (or perhaps not!) Wellington doesn't count as South Island...

[flyboy_su27]

Twas a great shoot. A few NZ records were broken, and some holes were put in our $1 Million school gym's wall ;)

Thanks to everyone who attended and thanks for eating all of our food. Hope to see more juniors there next year (we will do three shoots instead of two, don't worry;) ).

:thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:

(I would post scores if I had them)

[Jay.G]

This has been a very interesting thread.:munch:

[flyboy_su27]

This has been a very interesting thread.:munch:

Now it is going to die :(

[gizzy]

Glad to hear it went well, next year it will be bigger and better I hope you had plenty of help from the parents there like sneeky hunter( Ben Timmins).

It will be good to see more tournaments down your way it can only let the sport grow well done to all involved.

[The One]

Got any scores?

[flyboy_su27]

Got any scores?

Soon.

Off the top of my head, Daniel shot a 597 for his new record, other than you'll have to wait ( I let others deal with the scoring side of things ;) ).

We got a whole heap of help from everyone in the club! Everyone pulled their weight and then some, so everything ran really smoothly. We'll be hosting other competitions in 2009, so we expect to see you there!!!!!!!

[yify]

Soon.

Off the top of my head, Daniel shot a 597 for his new record, other than you'll have to wait ( I let others deal with the scoring side of things ;)
Thats a huge score! well done Daniel!

[flyboy_su27]

Thats a huge score! well done Daniel!

Yeah, he wanted to make sure he beat your old one ;)

He's claiming the U18 one as well I do believe.

[Archangel]

What round was it for?

[flyboy_su27]

What round was it for?

18m FITA!!! ;);)

Na...Portsmouth.

[puddin]

18m FITA!!! ;);)

Na...Portsmouth.
that would be a rather killer 18m fita score.
i enjoyed this shoot from a judging side. the organisers were great. had eveything done and we had no real issues.
was by far the bes lighting of any indoor venue ive ever seen.
looking forward to events next year that i can actually shoot, not these silly jama things

[flyboy_su27]

not these silly jama things

You're getting old man ;)