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So, who's going to the Indoor? (the AV indoor that is, in Moe, 7th & 8th of July i think)
What bows will people be using, what arrows, do people make many changes for indoor comps? I use 2312 X7s, and reduce the poundage of my bow to about 53 pounds.
It is great fun shooting really slow line-cutting arrows for a change.
It would be good to see some different faces at Moe this year (we have Leigh Cornish with 3 wins in a row now!!) Its time to shake up the leaderboard people!! (no, I am not putting my hand up as the one to do it!!)
Leigh won it the last 2 years with a score of 1190 for the 4 Aus indoor 1 rounds that is the format of the comp (average of 297.5).
What sort of scores are the people at DVA putting in for indoor? The top shooters at MAC are averaging around the 294 mark (thats an average over about 12 rounds now) at the moment I think, but those scores usually go up a little for the comp its self.
What will be the winning score this year??? (I spose that depends on whether Clint shoots or not!! In which case it might be close to a 1200, which has not been done at the state indoor as far as I am aware)
I have found the Indoor to be one of the more enjoyable comps of the year, except for the excessively long presentation ceremony (you know class medals etc... :roll: )
Hope to see you there.
Robert Halley-Frame
19-06-2002, 02:37 PM
Sherbrooke's got around 15 going to the indoor to date. I agree, a good tournamnent and normally a good weekend. Should be interesting to see who takes it out this year....
:D
:D
I'll be missing it this year, had totally forgot about entering :( but had I been able to attend I would of been shooting a samick masters with some nice CT'S. I always found the idea of winding down the compound good at the time but found for me at least the lighter the poundage the harder it was to keep still. Hence why I find it hard to shoot a bow with 80% let off. I like the feel of having a bit of weight, interested to know if anyone else has had the same thing happen ?
Marcus
19-06-2002, 03:01 PM
I was planning on going, have been shooting some CarbonAeros for it, however lack of payment by some of my customers means I really can not afford it. Not with club fees due at the same time. It would cost me and Erika about $260 to go there for the weekend. I'm not shooting well anyway right now so I don't mind too much. DVA shooters are averaging about 294-297's, however few of those shooters will be going (myself, Erika, Ray and David Anear all can shoot 295+ on a given night but won't be there)
Hopefully next year. :(
Agree Marcus, If I were to go down to the indoor with my girlfriend it would be in the few hundred dollar bracket, entry fees, accomodation, petrol it all ads up
Its a shame the DVA people aren't going, but, in the end that is just less competition for the rest of us!!! :)
True, it is an expensive weekend. It would be good if a Melbourne club got the indoor and held it in a venue here. That would probably mean increasing the entry fees, but it would save the petrol and accomodation.
On the other hand, archers who don't live in Melbourne get a pretty rough deal when it comes to tournaments in the AV calender, so I guess it is only fair that at least 1 major tournament is held in the sticks (sorry, Moe is not in the sticks, I didn't mean that I promise :lol: )
Mind you, bloody Geelong Archers has taken the State Field off Sherbrooke!!!!!!!!
That means driving to Geelong in 2003 and 2004 to shoot the State Field. :x
I probably won't shoot it if its there because I am not a big fan of field archery anyway and only shoot it because its round the corner at Sherbrooke. :P
James Park
19-06-2002, 09:02 PM
I have enetered. I expect to use my Quantum plus Safari's, shooting at a single face. I will use the Quantum exactly as I would for a FITA.
Marcus
20-06-2002, 07:43 AM
Its a shame the DVA people aren't going, but, in the end that is just less competition for the rest of us!!!
I think we'll have about 8 going. Ray has to work and my Dad hates shooting in poor light.
True, it is an expensive weekend. It would be good if a Melbourne club got the indoor and held it in a venue here. That would probably mean increasing the entry fees, but it would save the petrol and accomodation.
DVA ran it one year at a sports venue near our club. Werribee ran it for a few years too. Problem is finding the venues and then getting portable targets in and out. Is a shame, however I think the biggest worry is who will run the state target next year.
On the other hand, archers who don't live in Melbourne get a pretty rough deal when it comes to tournaments in the AV calender, so I guess it is only fair that at least 1 major tournament is held in the sticks
That's their choice to live there. I don't gripe that the indoor is in Moe, it's just the timing is bad for me personally this year, hopefully next year things will be different. Only problem with country clubs holding indoors is that it's usually cold.
In the years I shot indoor comps they have been held:
Corio Bay
DVA
Werribee
Kyeton
Werribee again
Moe
so pretty use to the weekend aways to shoot it.
Mind you, bloody Geelong Archers has taken the State Field off Sherbrooke!!!!!!!!
That means driving to Geelong in 2003 and 2004 to shoot the State Field.
Excellent, no offence but I hope that Geelong don't persist with the huge prices that Sherbrooke had been charging for the State Field. :( $35 for an event that AV supplies the medals for was very unreasonable.
Isn't Box Hill running the State Target next year?
I wouldn't mind if they didn't -- too windy there in the last couple of years!!!! :-?
Perhaps Moorabbin -- thats never windy :roll: :lol:
If there numbers weren't so big it would be great to have a Double FITA at Sherbrooke considering how sheltered the range is there. It would be good to see how big the scores could be. I think Box Hill brings down the top scores a bit -- winners usually seem to score aroung the 1350 mark with the occasional high 1350. Clint top scored 2 years ago with just a 1355 and a 1344 or something around that mark -- pretty low for a person who then went to the Nationals 2 months later and shot a 1402!
It would be good to get a comp or trial where the top target archers in the state could shoot in the 1370s or higher as at least 2 or 3 of them are certainly capable of doing.
Marcus
20-06-2002, 09:29 AM
I had heard they didn't want to do it. I was looking at how feasible it would be to run a State Senior Target and a month later a State Junior Target at DVA, however we don't have the room even for the Seniors alone.
Sherbrooke would be a good target event, except I think you would have the same problem as us.
We should rent out the exhibition buildings and shoot it indoor. :)
Now there's an idea Marcus!!! I would definitely shoot a Mens FITA tournament there, it would be unreal!!
Couldn't cost more than a few grand!! Each!!! :)
I wonder if there are any old aircraft hangers or unused warehouses that we could use for an "indoor - outdoor". It just needs to be about 110m long, about 50m wide and around 10m high so that we could shoot a full FITA round. I reckon you'd get a lot of interest.
Food for thought...
Marcus
20-06-2002, 10:41 AM
I've thought of that before, usually along the lines of 'mmmmm indoor Mens FITA in Aircraft hanger <drool>"
I reckon there would be some out Avalon way, unfortunatly I wouldn't know where to start looking to get hold of one. A warehouse might be able to do it too. Also the sheds at the Show grounds may be big enough. If I had the time and a high disposable income I'ld be looking for something, however alas no.
If only archery was more popular you could run an AMO type show with a Men's FITA at the Exhibition centre. You could probably shoot clout in there too!
I remember at the DVA centre we shot indoor in it had about 6 B-ball courts in a row. They may be long enough for an indoor FITA. HHmmmmm. Great away to build interest in the sport.
A basketball court is about 15m wide isn't it?
6 x 15m is 90m plus there must be room b/w the courts......I am starting to get excited!!!!!! :D
I reckon you could comfortably charge at least $40 entry fee for a weekend Double FITA or $25 for a single and you would still get a lot of entries. People, both beginners and advanced would love the opportunity to shoot an outdoor round without the hassle of wind drift!!
Marcus
20-06-2002, 11:28 AM
HHmmm, if I get time I'll pop down and visit. Problem could be the damage missed arrows may do. May have to make it an invitation event. Also not sure how many targets I would fit. Even an indoor Ladies FITA would be worthwhile.
Invitation is as long as I get invited!!! :P
Ladies FITA would be interesting -- how far over the 1400 could people go???
Colin
20-06-2002, 04:27 PM
I will Be Going to the state indoor, I am Shooting around 290 at the moment, but have got as high as 298 this year.
Indoor Fita - How about a football ground with a roof on it?
Marcus
20-06-2002, 04:36 PM
Great idea Colin, but where the hell are you going to find one of those. ;);):)
Robert Halley-Frame
20-06-2002, 10:23 PM
There's a small stadium at Docklands, I think its called Colonial Stadium,
I reckon thats the place to hold an indoor FITA....... :D :P
Marcus
20-06-2002, 10:28 PM
I hear they are having trouble filling it, we may get it cheap!
I think we'll have about 8 going. Ray has to work and my Dad hates shooting in poor light.
Lighting for indoor events is difficult :o . Last year we put a fair amount of effort (and money) into new lighting. Feedback at the time was generally positive. What did you guys think? Any suggestions for improvements?
On the other hand, archers who don't live in Melbourne get a pretty rough deal when it comes to tournaments in the AV calender, so I guess it is only fair that at least 1 major tournament is held in the sticks
It's not that big a deal for us attending from Gippsland, only a couple of hours away at worst. We get used to this when we want to go to a football game or find some decent shops. Others from further afield probably find it more difficult
Sticks? Not too many around here, they tend to end up as paper!
Robert Halley-Frame
21-06-2002, 01:49 PM
I heard that there's a little stadium at Dockland's, I think its called Colonial Stadium. Ideal for an indoor FITA..
:D :P
I thought the lighting was great last year, those fluoro tubes above each target were really good, in fact, the lighting there was as good as I have seen at Moorabbin for a comp night. Haven't seen DVA's set up, but unless you have something akin to what's at the MCG, then it won't be much worse at Moe. Its a shame some people at DVA hadn't heard that TCAG had fixed that problem.
Colonial, yeah, thats that little shed near Spencer Street station right????
:P
Marcus
21-06-2002, 11:25 PM
The lighting is only an issue with my dad. Sounds good though, glad to see someone is putting thought into it. We have a row of spot lights setup for ours.
noel mac
22-06-2002, 10:00 PM
i'm going to the indoor and i've riased my bow 2 pound and changed from ace to doo sung's. i'll shoot at a single face. this is practice for the nationals for me.
Hi Noel welcome to the best archery forum on the net :) The only way to get rid of that beginner word above your name is to post messages, so post away and enjoy the forum :) btw how are you finding the doo sungs coming out of the recurve ?
noel mac
27-06-2002, 04:43 PM
they come out of the bow quite good. i took the spring out of my pressure button and put in a match stick(in place of the spring) then shot bare shafts and fletched and adjusted my nocking point and bow weight to get the impact point of my bare shaft just right. this also proved that i had chosen the right spined arrow for my setup, then put my spring back in the pressure button and then wound it up till i got the bare shaft back in to the group. now i if i shoot it right i can't complain if i miss as it means my sight setting would be wrong!
2Dogs
29-06-2002, 12:01 PM
The Sth QLD indoor Champs are in September this year.
On the Saturday they are shooting an indoor canberra round (900 round) and Sunday is the 4 x 18m rounds.
The indoor canberra should be fun, I've never shot indoors greater then 30 meters..............I think I will use my Carbon Aeros for the canberra and my 2314's XX78 super swages with 5" feathers fo the 18m.
That sounds unreal Paul!!
Finally someone doing an indoor-outdoor round!!!
Trouble is I reckon you'll clear it! It would be good to have a 900 canberra to you name! Prehaps use inner 10 scoring (dare I say it) :P
Goodluck to everyone shooting at the state indoor this weekend :)
James Park
05-07-2002, 06:08 PM
Looks like I will have to shoot this one as a veteran!!!
I have clearance from FITA for my medication use, but after more than two months I have still not got through the Canberra bureaucracy for clearance from ASDA (I submitted my request well within the time limit, but they seem to move remarkably slowly). FITA took less than two weeks. AA rules say that I need to submit the request 21 days in advance, and I easily did that.
My evidence is rather compelling: operation that means I do not produce hormones, blood test prior to medication showing that I had none, blood test recently that shows with my medication my hormone levels are normal. Even me with my limited medical education can see from a mile away that I am not getting an advantage, and FITA agrees. However, Canberra is taking its time!!
The veterans better watch out because I am annoyed.
Marcus
05-07-2002, 06:14 PM
Isn't this something that AV is prepared to waive? If you have submitted your paper work surely any appeal to you winning should come pending the results of the paperwork.
I'm sure if you were in the 60+ catagory they would allow you to shoot in open. ;)
James Park
05-07-2002, 06:21 PM
The problem is that if ASDA turned up to do drug testing, I would have a problem. I would not fail a drug test (because my levels are normal), but I would have to tell them the drugs I take, two of which are on the prohibited substances list, and they would immediately have apoplexy (you should have seen them in Sydney at the Nationals when I mentioned steroids).
The problem is that if I have a problem and lose, the penalty is two years ban (automatically). I would of course appeal, but the prospect sounds very messy, even though I would expect to win an appeal..
I complained to Canberra that they were messing me around, but the response I get is that this all takes time.
Kate Hamond had an immediate answer: she got out the telephone numbers for the Minister of Sport and my local politician, but so far I have not taken that path (it would be a declaration of war).
James Park
05-07-2002, 06:23 PM
One positive aspect is that I will be somewhat expert in knowing what to do re drugs in sport!
Marcus
05-07-2002, 06:24 PM
Good point on the ban. Well end of day, if you shoot the highest score you may not take home the medal, but everyone knows you won. (just as we know you came second at the Nationals.) :)
2Dogs
05-07-2002, 08:46 PM
Is it really that much of an issue that Canberra hasn't pulled their finger out.
You've done everything correctly and your National Asso & FITA are aware of the matter. I wouldn't give a stuff about the drug agency.
If your not going for or on a National team, it's not likely you'd be tested. I'd think they would only be interested in the recurvers.
I was in the Olympic program for about 12 years and got tested once, after I won the Oceania Fita champs in New Zealand in 1995. It was really bad..ever tried to take a leak after getting sunburned and dehydrated all day. Took me 3 hours and when I finally got the plumbing sorted out I had some guy come into the dunny and watch me point my whizza at a little plastic container...COULDN'T DO IT..just isn't a guy thing to have someone they staring at your pecker. Wasn't allowed to leave until I provided a sample, or I would be given a positive test automatically.
Damm institute doesn't train you for that :D
I don't care about Drug testing anymore since I'm out of the Olympic Program. If I get the Flu, I take whatever is needed....same for asma........and if I get a little nervous during matchplay, then the Beta Blockers are pretty handy :D See Jacko, he can give you bulk discounts
Hell just think of the publicity you'd get for a positive test :D
2Dogs
05-07-2002, 08:54 PM
Reading Jim's posts I can see that the ASDA seems to pull their finger out these days, and test more often.
So they bother to test the compounders these days?
Why waste the money, it's not a lot of public money (if any) is spent on anyone shooting a compound bow.
From what I've seen, the silver spoon is firmly planted in the AIS recurvers mouths these days. Those guys have got it on a silver plate.
I wonder when was the last time any of them paid for some archery equipment.
Am I jealous or WHAT :D
James Park
05-07-2002, 09:07 PM
Yep, in Sydney they lined up behind number 1 compound target (Clint, me and a New Zealander) and as soon as we finished they wanted to test me and the New Zealander. They were interested in me because I was on the leader board all day, even though I had taken the precaution of giving the judges a letter saying I wanted to shoot but not compete (after I had found out that I had missed the date for putting in my request). They were totally pissed-off when I told them about the letter!!
I was surprised that they wanted to test a New Zealand compounder, let alone me - their budget definitely must be too high. I think it would be right and proper for them to concentrate on the recurvers and leave we proper archers alone.
2Dogs
05-07-2002, 09:27 PM
Pretty wierd huh, you'd think they would test Clint.
Yeah I got tested in New Zealand....I thought they would have tested a Kiwi.
Like I said I don't care anymore.........would love to tell them to sod off.
Banned for 2 years ooohhh...ahhhhhhhh....be something different :D
Marcus
05-07-2002, 09:33 PM
Banned for 2 years. Spend it shooting IFAA and 3D. Not a huge loss. Agree kinda stupid they wanted to test the 2 people who were not eligable for medals and not the guy who won.
Damm institute doesn't train you for that
:lol: :lol:
2Dogs
05-07-2002, 09:37 PM
So how's Kate Hamond going anyway.....I havn't seen her for years. 1995 I think.
Hell she would be in veterans by now wouldn't she......actually what's beyond veterans ???? :D
Say hello for me
2Dogs
05-07-2002, 09:44 PM
As you can probably tell I don't have much respect for the ASDA.
All those years shooting on the OAP, and putting up with team mates who smoked dope to control their nerves at tournaments........and did they ever get tested...............NO
Even after complaints were made directly to Management and the DRUG agency........and NOTHING.
I was shocked as all hell when Jacko got caught, because if the ASDA was doing any kind of job he would of got caught 4 to 5 years ealier.....and so would have a few others.
It SUCKED :x
GaryH
05-07-2002, 09:49 PM
So guys,
Good luck with the Comp. Hope you'll post some results and show us all just how well you handle the heat of battle :roll: :D
Marcus
05-07-2002, 11:10 PM
IMHO alot of archers got away with an aweful lot because they were buddies with certain people in charge. Worst bit was that Jacko's behaviour could have been nipped in the butt alot earlier had ANSW and AA not given him so much leeway. What's more his dad let him get away with major tantrums and what not at tournaments. We all have them, but it's how your parents deal with you after them. You forgive bad behaviour enough and kids will push further and further. The people who I consider responsable for it still are involved in the running of AA. Disgraceful.
It's been longer than 2 years now, wonder if he'll come back to archery. I personally wouldn't.
James Park
06-07-2002, 05:13 AM
Paul,
Kate is still shooting occassionally (although her job keeps her very busy - she is the Legal Ombudsman for Victoria). When she does shoot she does very well indeed, and I am sure she would still be at the top with Dione if she would put the time into it. Last time she shot she finished off with two 58's at 70M. The onerous nature of the selection event for the 2000 Olympics (three weeks in Canberra and nine times the number of arrows shot as in the Olympics if you won the gold medal) damaged her enthusiasm.
No, not yet a veteran - next January.
James Park
06-07-2002, 04:42 PM
I have no idea what the scores were for the afternoon round, but in the morning, some of the scores were:
Bryce: 299+295
Jim: 293+295 (but shooting as a veteran regretably, due to ASDA tardiness)
Marcel: 296+296
Dave: 297+290 (I think)
I did not hear of any others over 290, but there could have been.
I think Brian Phelan had 275+282 (Recurve).
Leigh, Rod, Michael and Tory were all shooting this afternoon.
James you really do have to be careful with the ASDA, Remember they are a government agent and are prohibited to think for themselves, it's all about policy and procedure for them. It's about finding loop holes in policy because they are there. I understand that you've done the right thing and shouldn't have to but for them it's policy and procedure. I had trouble with them a year or so ago with a different sport, was on dia morphine at the time and nothing but problems, even with all the paperwork
James Park
07-07-2002, 06:54 PM
Well, I won the Veterans Division (easily), was embarrassed to collect my medal, and gave it away to Rod Miller's young daughter Cara (she just looked like she needed one).
Marcel won the open compound by 1 point from Bryce. Leigh was third (but would have won if he had not had an oops and missed the target).
Noel won the recurve by 2 points from Brian.
Christine won the ladies recurve and Rachael won the ladies compound.
My next battle is whether I can get my ASDA clearance by next week for the National Indoor, or do I have to shoot veterans again! I will on the telephone tomorrow (and may yet set Kate Hamond on them).
GaryH
07-07-2002, 07:53 PM
So James,
How would you have fared if everything from ASDA was in order???
James Park
07-07-2002, 09:22 PM
4th, I think.
Seems like I beat the veterans record as well.
Steve B
08-07-2002, 02:22 AM
I must say that Twin City Archers , did a great job as well, I popped in Saturday afternoon for a look and said hello to few people and chatted with Leigh Cornish for a short time, he looked like he was doing well then, I was very disappointed that you had quite a few missing off the "roll", how many managed to make the trip ?. As you would know we in ABA had our state indoor titles the same weekend except ours were at Droin, we had a reasonable rollup , but to me it appeared like yours , just the dedicated team that go around to most shoots.
Question, how does one get a better roll up especially when the country folk like to host as they normally travel , but then the cost is to high for the city people to travel down , just a general statement guys and I am not stirring trouble, as we have a similar problem, would appreciate some thoughts here guys and Gals ( I am assuming that some gals are on here as well :-? )
Marcus
08-07-2002, 07:53 AM
It's a hard question to answer Steve. My own reasons for not going were cost. Right now I have my shooting fees, a family member's birthday and domain name bills to pay for. The cost to go out to Moe was just too high at this time of year for me. I would've liked to go though. July is an expensive time of year for many people.
Eberbachl
08-07-2002, 10:37 AM
Hi Steve B,
What sort of advertising did you do for the State ABA titles? I didn't know they were on...for that matter I didn't even know there was a state ABA indoor titles.
This must be the first year that it has been run, as Lilydale always wanted their Indoor shoot to be recognised as the state title, but even as recently as last year, ABA said that they would not rcognise it as they did not support an ABA State indoor title event.
Diamond Valley Archers certainly didn't receive any advertising for that event (I know 'cause I check the mail) and I promise, if we had known about it, we have a few members at least who would have loved to come.
Cheers,
Luke Eberbach.
Yes, it was an interesting weekend. It was a shame about Leigh's miss, I was shooting with him and he was on fire, had a x count you couldn't jump over. He would have won it easily without that miss.
The Male Compound GMB section managed to show some fine adult-like behaviour on the second day in the final round (in the last couple of ends too). I'll leave out the details and leave the story to those involved, but, needless to say, it was quite a performance!! :roll:
Steve,
I think we had a final count of about 117 competitors. We were pretty happy with these numbers, I think it was a slight improvement on last year. I was not aware of the ABA event in Drouin, I'm sure people who were interested would have dropped in for a look as we were only shooting half days in our event. I think you had a chat with the Twin City club president on the day? Things look fairly positive for more interaction between clubs in the Gippsland area I think.
Robert Halley-Frame
09-07-2002, 01:07 PM
Twin City certainly put on a good event over the weekend and it is a great opportunity to watch some damn good shooting if you are not competing. One of our club members took down the video and we have been able to get some good footage for coaching.( plus it has made me realise that I really need to change my technique :cry:
I would only like to say that the presentations took so long but thats due to the club providing class awards on the day as well as the State Medals.
Congratulations to all competitors and to the organisers. Look forward to next year. (hopefully will be staying over next year).
:D :D
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