Bowhunting Insurance

[marion]

Im a member of ABA, and have my Bowhunter proficiency certificate , does this mean I have insurance when Im in the scrub hunting. If so what sort of coverage do I have. Its a bit of a sore point at our club at the moment, many feel that the insurance is just an urban myth while others believe its genuine . Where do we stand!

[robbo]

As far as I know you are covered while hunting. I could be wrong, I have never put it to the test. :wink:

[marion]

If we are insured does anybody know what it covers?? Im new to hunting and would like to know where I stand.

[robbo]

I will see what I can find out.

[Eberbachl]

If we are insured does anybody know what it covers?? Im new to hunting and would like to know where I stand.

The back of my ABA Bowhunter Proficiency Certificate states:

A Public Liability insurance Policy providing indemnity up to $2,000,000 covers A.B.A. Members whilst engaged in Field Archery activities and indemnity against property damage when engaged in Bowhunting or Field Activities.

Restricted Certificate Holder must be under the charge of an ABA member carrying an Unrestricted Certificate

I'm not sure what the above means in the real world, but without actually seeing ABA's insurance policy (which ABA will not allow unless you make an appointment with the executive at a time suitable to the executive to view the policy at the ABA Brisbane office only), I'm sure it doesn't mean much :roll:

Interestingly it only mentions property damage.

For example, If you shoot a member of the public whilst engaged in 'Bowhunting or Field Archery activities' are you covered, and if so - where is this stated officially by ABA? What exactly does ABA define as a ' Bowhunting or Field Archery activity' for insurance purposes? Many questions like these can only be answered by careful examination of ABA's insurance policy.

It's my opinion that many clubs and archers in Australia really don't know what they are covered for. At least AA, and 3DAAA are happy to make this known to their members by making the policy easily accessable. Why won't ABA?

Cheers,

Luke.



:bday:

[marion]

Thanks for your feedback.

[Bruce]

Contact your branch controller and ask him the questions ?if he doesn't know he can ask the questions at the agm .

[robbo]

Cover is the same as for Field Archery, that is personal injury or property damage where such is caused by negligence. In that context cover is for any property damage caused to the property owner, be it by structure, livestock etc. Injury covers any injury caused by hunter to another person including member to member, provided that all hunters in the activity have an Association BPC.

[marion]

Has anyone seen a copy of the policy, I was told that the ABA has never been able to produce one. Is that true?

[Randall Wellings]

Has anyone seen a copy of the policy, I was told that the ABA has never been able to produce one. Is that true?

At the risk of 'floggin the dead horse' again, yes..I have seen a policy..it won't be the current policy but there was a copy of the ABA's policy, hanging on the wall at Lylidale...many years ago.

I am certain the insurance companies have changed, I have it on good authority that the providers are the same for A.A.

I understand that some may genuinely be asking what they are covered for and the answer is in Robbo's response....
Cover is the same as for Field Archery, that is personal injury or property damage where such is caused by negligence. In that context cover is for any property damage caused to the property owner, be it by structure, livestock etc. Injury covers any injury caused by hunter to another person including member to member, provided that all hunters in the activity have an Association BPC.
the others that take delight in debating a boring subject..
GROW UP!! :fist: :fist:

Cheers

[marion]

At the risk of 'floggin the dead horse' again, yes..I have seen a policy..it won't be the current policy but there was a copy of the ABA's policy, hanging on the wall at Lylidale...many years ago

So no current policy has been seen? This hardly fills us with confidence.

[Randall Wellings]

BTW, grownups don't resort to cowardly fingers up signs on internet message boards to make their point. Maturity brings many benefits, the ability to express oneself adequately being one.

from the mouth of a poor dumb insignificant moron...who obviously doesn't know or recognise the art of debate on this forum...to you, the most cordially of :fist: :fist: :fist:

Get over it :lol: :lol: and as far as being an ABA office bearer with an agenda...again, you show true ignorance of the facts...for only a dim whitted fool would make such a statement without having facts on which to base this absurd assumption.

Marion...the statement about the policy on the wall of the Lylidale Club was "tongue in cheek"...you asked had it ever been sighted...I merely responded...again...I have total faith in what I have been told...and I accept it and move on...maybe you should try it instead of watching for the sky to fall...life's too short.

Cheers

[marion]

I take what you say onboard RooDog, but I wouldnt go out hunting without the proper equipment or precautions, why would I take the insurance side of it with a grain of salt, especially in these days of litigation

[Kuru]

Well said Erron. I think ABA need to address this Insurance situation ASAP before it gets even more out of control. They will only loose members at this rate. I look forward to the next AGM. Back to the post speak to your Branch controller as Bruce has said

[Kuru]

Erron take anything on this forum with a grain of salt would be my advice mate :) I don't know or have never ever met Randall but he always seems snappy. alot like my missus :lol:

[Kuru]

Erron take anything on this forum with a grain of salt would be my advice mate :) I don't know or have never ever met Randall but he always seems snappy. alot like my missus :lol:

[Randall Wellings]

That's probably not going to make Randall lose sleep, but his presence will unfortunately continue to give archery and bowhunting a bad name.

So quick to malign others is a recognised indicator of a very insecure individual. One who must belittle others in an attempt to gain some self respect...if that's your game...your welcome to it :roll: :roll:

Again, I obviously reside in an area quite different to you...here, bowhunting and archery, DON'T have a bad name, at all.. maybe as a result of the "get in your face" attitude that we posses...Your responses to this topic identify you perhaps as a person who would scare the bejesus out of any unsuspecting soul...lighten up and live a little...you may gain a lot... :wink: :wink:

Garath....you sick puppy...never ever met Randall but he always seems snappy. alot like my missus bet your wife dosen't read these posts...if she does....your dead meat fancy insinuating she and I are alike :roll: :roll:

Cheers

[OldDog]

Hey Erron, It may come as asurprise to you but a lot of these people do know each other or have plans to. Perhaps if you read over some old ground you might learn why this forum is such a success. No serious archery question goes unanswered and no bit of **** is left unthrown. If you have been involved in watching the overseas forums over the last few years you will notice a clearly defined pattern emerge. They start slowly then go like a house on fire then burn out, after all, how many times can you ask what colour string will match my girlfriends eyes.
On this forum we do the serious stuff then have some fun. It is proving to be a very succesful formula to date as the number of hits on this site clearly indicate. My suggestion to you if you do not like the modus operandi is simply, dont read it.

[Kuru]

Erron mate just relax a bit this forum isn't that hardcore about archery. If you have a look at most of the threads alot is just mucking around talking sh*t :lol: Most here take our shooting very serious but we all need a release in which to make fun and enjoy ourselves :)

[Kuru]

and Randall my missus actually does read this forum, she thinks most of it is very funny :)

[OldDog]

Wish my mrs. thought it was funny, she beats me severely around the head and body with a barbwire stick for some of the nonsense on here. :silly: :x

[Kuru]

Have you not heard of a trade in Noel :lol:

[Eberbachl]

Has anyone seen a copy of the policy, I was told that the ABA has never been able to produce one. Is that true?

At the risk of 'floggin the dead horse' again, yes..I have seen a policy..it won't be the current policy but there was a copy of the ABA's policy, hanging on the wall at Lylidale...many years ago.

I am certain the insurance companies have changed, I have it on good authority that the providers are the same for A.A.

I understand that some may genuinely be asking what they are covered for and the answer is in Robbo's response....
Cover is the same as for Field Archery, that is personal injury or property damage where such is caused by negligence. In that context cover is for any property damage caused to the property owner, be it by structure, livestock etc. Injury covers any injury caused by hunter to another person including member to member, provided that all hunters in the activity have an Association BPC.
the others that take delight in debating a boring subject..
GROW UP!! :fist: :fist:

Cheers

Randall,

I don't take delight in debating a boring subject - I was only answering a legitimate question posted by a concerned ABA member, and I do so because I have a genuine concern for the welfare of ABA members who think they are insured despite ABA continually skirting around this issue whithout proving the insurance status to anyone.

I beleive that it is YOU who needs to GROW UP!! Randall, and stop posting crap like... :fist: :fist: - it's not necessary in this thread, was not provoked, and not called for!

If you can't enter a debate with a reasonable amount of maturity and civility, dont.

Best Regards,

Luke.

:angel: :bday: :angel:

[Marcus]

Sorry Erron but I have been away the last 2 days shooting the state field champs and was unable to stifle the opinions of others.
If you choose to leave after an insult from RooDog I will be sorry to see you leave such a large Australian archery community.

Reality is that the opinions of Randall's are rampant in Australian Archery and unless others who do not share his opinion are not prepared to stand up to his bullying then his foolish comments will continue anabaited. Of course that is my opinion that his comments are foolish, and it's great that I can express them openly.
I take the opportunity to meet with Randall whenever it is possible and enjoy a good yarn with him, it is never personal.

I would very much like to hear your views on this subject as you obviously do have some opinions on it. Your opinions are as valuable as mine, Randalls or anyone elses on here.

The aggressive shown in this post from Randall is due to the reality that he know's he is wrong. Pity him, but don't hate the rest of us. ;)

Archery is this country needs topics like this out in the open. Should I and Randall (for example) take an insurance debate behind close doors then it does NOTHING for our sport.

As for others reading and getting a poor impression of the sport or bowhunting, well I wwill leave that up to the readers to make up their own mind. I can not do it for them, nor can I predict their reactions. If Archery in this country gets a bad name from this thread, it's not because we talked about it.

Now take it easy everyone, and Randall, try and be less insulting to people who are posting legit questions.

Thank you.

[CMB50]

If you choose to leave after an insult from RooDog I will be sorry to see you leave such a large Australian archery community.


Settle down! If every forum member who had been insulted by RooDog left, there'd be no one here other than Him and Marcus! :D :o

let's enjoy the freedom of speech that archery-forum provides and enjoy the company here (wether you agree with their opinions or not).

Hey Erron, Randall, Luke and Marcus.................................










:fist: :P

[Marcus]

Thank you for the advise, however I think my moderation rules are doing just fine thank you very much. You are more than welcome to give Randall what for, that's your right. If I pulled every post that I did not like the tone of there would be about 1000 posts and 40 members.

950+ members
38000+ posts
1.6 million hits per month,
This may drop off in time and we may die off and be replaced, but right now it is our open policy on debates that got us this big today.
I delete offensive posts and lock nasty threads. This one didn't get that way and it's my decision what gets pulled and what doesn't. It's a shame you won't be reading this forum any longer, your loss.

have a good one.

[OldDog]

You want a dog pack on your puritan arse you just keep up the way you're goin, Marcus exhibits self constraint beyond his years and has shown himself to be a more than admirable administrator, the number of both posters and posts on this forum speaks for itself. If you want to stand here and debate the merits or negatives of this forum then fire away, Dont keep threatening to leave. Fire away or piss off. This forum is a breath of fresh air compared to the sterile desert out there in the rest of forum land. No pretentions here, Just good aussie pub talk. We burr up now and then but we can usually settle it amicably too. You are free to join in if you wish, but if you dont then leave it be.

[Marcus]

It's not advice Marcus, it's a personal ethic I have on how I treat others. I readily accept it's not shared by all, and I associate with people based on that fact. That's why I'm leaving.

I delete offensive posts and lock nasty threads.

Unless they're posted by your mates, in which case you turn a blind eye and suggest that those who are offended are the ones at fault. Courageous stand mate!

The loss, Marcus, is yours, not mine.

Erron
Thank you for choosing you promote your own ethics standard on myself and demanding that I adhere to them.
I have locked many a thread and deleted many a post by my 'mates', plus not one on here (perhaps Jim Park) have gotten away without a warning by me.
However what I am not prepared to do is hang someone for expressing themselves. I will not take a member who in 99% of cases has been a worthwhile and valuable contributor and send them to the gallows because they insulted someone who has thin skin.
How do you know what I discuss with Randall? As far as you know I may well have warned him. Thank you for giving me the opportunity before judging myself as a terrible moderator and making threats of your lack of presence.

As Noel pointed out the tone on this forum is the same as you would get down the pub or around the table during lunch at a shoot. We laugh, call each other names, debate an issue till we are red in the face, then put it behind us and get down to the business of shooting.

Perhaps you should spend less time around the campfire and more time interacting with your fellow archers and you will learn that despite their faults all these people are of a high quality.

The couragous are those who stand by their values in the face of adversity, not those who choose to run away.

[CMB50]

guys,

this is simple. I'v been associated with archery and bowhunting sites on the internet since 1996. I'm used to forums where the rule of respect is recognized, and enforced. Posts like Randall's are pulled, and the poster warned. If he subsequently posts similar, he is banned. End of story. The rules are known, and enforced.


Oh... so you've been to ArcheryTalk then?? I'd rather sit at home and pull teeth than waste my time on Forums like that. If it's your preference to live in a society that is so heavily regulated and policed that if your opinion differs from the moderators your posts are pulled and your account banned. Good luck to ya. I'll stay here, talk archery, talk crap, joke, laugh and debate topics related to archery (occasionally)


I said that if you can't enforce such respect, I'd leave. I'm sorry for you Marcus, that you don't have what it takes, or have too cosy a relationship with Randall, to enforce what to me seems to be straight forward and fair rules of conduct.


When the bloody hell did Marcus or anyone here give you a say on what rules and code of conduct are enforced on this forum?? I'll tell you.... no one did and no one will! Don't come here and try and tell us that the way we do things isn't right according to you. Don't like it? Then stroll back into the fantasy world you came from. This Forum is so incredibly popular because of the rules and conduct that Marcus set in place from day one.

I have better things to do with my time than waste it on this peurile stuff.


Easy solution.......... GOODBYE!



Interestingly, I just yesterday pointed someone from my site in the direction of these forums. That is a mistake I won't repeat, and I will make it clear to all who mention these forums that the normal rules of civilized behaviour don't apply.


Good luck to you. If they are so simple minded as to listen to and take as gospel the opinions you lump on them, then it shall be no big loss to the other 960 open minded members of this forum.

The majority of forum members here are like dogs. Playful, friendly, loyal and we'll stand our ground when provoked. However when we see or more appropiately smell something trying to piss on our turf, you better believe we'll tear it to pieces . 0X

Should you care to debate what YOU think is appropriate conduct on this forum any further, come and see me up at DVA and we'll discuss it in person :bad-words:

Oh and I could have probably summed everything i have said here in one simple emoticon.............

:fist: YUCK FOU!

[OldDog]

For someone that feigns disgust and righteous indignation you sure seem keen to hang around. You have your ethic and that is a noble thing. I admire you for holding your tenet, but, use your eyes, this forum is what it is and isnt about to change for you.(or me for that matter) If your design is to turn this into a public slanging match you are succeeding admirably. Erron .join us or leave us. We were happy before you came and will be after you go. You have your own forum why are you trying to rock the boat on this one. Is it to bring attention to yours. You dont have to go to these extremes to achieve those ends. Above all we are archers and will read any written word on the subject be it hitech stuff or traditional. Lighten up dude and I give you fair warning. Lay off Marcus. We happen to think he does a great job.

[Marcus]

<yanking on CMB50's choker chain>

[OldDog]

Might be the shock collar treatment i think marcus, Cam is foamin at the mouth. :rofl: :o

[CMB50]

<choke, yelp, snarl>

[OldDog]

:rofl: I'm pissin myself into hysterics here. Rothflmfao.

[Randall Wellings]

WHAAAT??? holy snappin duck..poo :roll: batman.....did I excell or what??...

I am an arsehole even when I don't try ...must be grand final week...
to the victors, the spoils... :D :D to the loosers... :fist:

FIFTY POINTS worth :rofl:

cheers to all my mexican compatriots, even those feeding dead horses :wink:

[OldDog]

Hey Randall........ :fist: :fist: :fist: :fist: :fist: :fist: :fist: :rofl:

[Randall Wellings]

God...your a low down hurtful scumbag Noel..just when a bloke is feeling slighted...you come along and stick the boot in...just like any good o'l Ipswich boy would do...
proud of you son...oh yeh, you arsehole :fist: :fist: :fist:

cheers

[OldDog]

Listen :fist: you :fist: lowdown :fist: leprous :fist: piece :fist: of :fist: crocodile :fist: crap :fist: . You :fist: cant :fist: go :fist: around :fist: doing :fist: this :fist: :fist: :fist: to people. :fist:

[Randall Wellings]

SO :fist: IT :fist: SEEMS :fist: ..OH WELL :fist: :fist: HAD :fist: BETTER :fist: STOP :fist: THIS :fist: CRAP :fist: THEN :fist: :fist: :fist:

I :fist: HATE :fist: WHEN :fist: I :fist: STUTTER :fist: :fist: :fist:

Cheers :fist:

[Jay Bowden]

It's lucky I don't suffer from epilepsy. Or those last 2 posts would have me in a fit :o :o :o :fist:

[OldDog]

:angel:

[CMB50]

just realised we've hijacked the 'Bowhunting Insurance' thread.


But, since there's no such thing as bowhunting insurance........who cares!! :new-alien:



saw Mars again last night....

[Jay Bowden]

CMB, :rofl:
You're a funny bastard :D

[Eberbachl]

Geez! I go away for a few hours - ready to get back into things, and all I can do is laugh :rofl:

You blokes are a pack of bastards!

........but Jay is right, you sure are funny :-D

Sorry to see you won't be hanging around to see the real Archery Forum Erron, maybe I'll see you 'round at DVA.

:angel: :bday: :angel:

[Marcus]

Marcus, I did try to tell you your job, and that's not my place. Sorry for that. I might disagree with the way you've done things, but the tone of my posts was slighting, and that was uncalled for. Your achievement here is remarkable, and I salute you for that.



Thank you Erron.

but I did have hopes that a forum devoted to bowhunting would have more bowhunting discussion, and less crap.


Problem is that unless bowhunters come and post about bowhunting in the bowhunting section there will be little about bowhunting here. Quite a few do and there have been some good discussions as well as guys organising hunts together. This has been our slowest moving section so far, hopefully it will pick up next year.

[Randall Wellings]

Erron..when will you learn... :o :new-alien: ..

Man your just plain old fashioned "WRONG" again....

Everyone to date who chooses to frequent this forum on a regular basis, do so because we have a chance to exchange good wholesome "Aussie" banter.

If you can

[Marcus]

Not meaning to cast stones, I have enough trouble ducking the ones coming at me on a regular basis...but to date, nobody has scored a direct hit yet
pfffttt only because you don't know when you've been knocked out cold. :P :fist:

[Randall Wellings]

pfffttt only because you don't know when you've been knocked out cold.

NAH!! only cause your a sh*t shot :lol: :lol: :lol:

cheers

[Randall Wellings]

Oh!! sorry Marcus...I forgot.. :fist: :fist: :fist:

cheers

[Juggs]

erron randall is as popular as a hooker with the clap :fist:

[Randall Wellings]

enter..dickhead...stevej you amaize me..

I really do question your sexual preferences...you appear to be constantly trying to F...with me...

anyway, as I said...no direct hits yet so :fist: :fist: OFF

cheers

[marion]

I checked with my branch contoller, he was very polite and helpful but could not help me with my inquiries. To cut a long story short a member of the committee got in touch with Sid Green about the insurance policy, he told us the insurer was QBE. He would not give us a copy, even though we are on the committee, because he did not know us!!!!!! We are checking with QBE. Will post the results of our inquiries.

[Eberbachl]

I checked with my branch contoller, he was very polite and helpful but could not help me with my inquiries. To cut a long story short a member of the committee got in touch with Sid Green about the insurance policy, he told us the insurer was QBE. He would not give us a copy, even though we are on the committee, because he did not know us!!!!!! We are checking with QBE. Will post the results of our inquiries.

Thanks for that info Marion - I look forward to reading the results of your enquiries.

Cheers,

Luke.

:angel: :bday: :angel:

[Kuru]

Erron I did try and help you but you tried to fcuk my up the ass so now you can blow me :fist: Maybe it's just your jelous of the fact that the number of people on this website out numbers yours 10-1, as the saying goes, you don't like me blow me :fist:

[2Dogs]

:rofl: ...ok I'll blow you for a Scepter three..........Solution 3.............and 2DZ X10's. :D:D

Then I can sue you for the trama you caused me after :D:D. because it happened while on a Bowhunting trip :wink: ....wonder if ABA covers field blowing :rofl:

[Randall Wellings]

2Dogs...you truly are "ONE SICK PUPPY"...

Gareth...it's not going to happen...haven't you picked up yet that this guy doesn't like you...can't understand why :lol: :lol:

But you sure come on strong...even made me splutter :wink:

cheers

[Kuru]

Pauly I've got a feeling you'd do it for alot less, maybe a Merlin ? :)
Roodog, can't understand why I am very loveable :angel:

[OldDog]

:o Cheez, I'm gonna get back on the porch and lick my own. This place is full of queers :oops:

[Kuru]

Oh don't worry Noel just offer 2dogs a new Legacy, he'll be on he's knees faster then a paralympian :lol: And I'm allowed to say that so ha !

[OldDog]

:o Thats what i'm afraid of gareth. That does not conjure up a good image. If he tries it I'm outta here like **** off a shovel

[robbo]

Wish my mrs. thought it was funny, she beats me severely around the head and body with a barbwire stick for some of the nonsense on here. :silly: :x

:rofl:

Mine too. :roll:

[mbomike]

Noel..
Have you found Mars yet? :oops:

[OldDog]

:o Not yet mike but i see plenty of stars when the mrs. gets into me with that stick :agrue:

[mbomike]

You need to go shooting more often. :roll:
Get outa the house :wink:

[OldDog]

Nah! Too windy :wink:

[mbomike]

:rofl: ..You just keep hanging on to that thought NT.

[rinaldo]

ABA has coverage through the Sporting Shooters Association which has a policy with QBE Mercantile and is valid till Feb 04. I found out because a member in our club made inquiries to the Sporting Shooters.

I first tried at club level through our executive and they were not sure who we are insured with. I rang our branch controller ( John Collett) and made some inquiries, he was very helpful and polite but could not help me.

I then rang Jan holmes who knew we were insured but didnt know who with she suggested I ring Sid Green. Because I was not on the club executive she stated that I had to put my question in writing through the club executive who would then send it on to Sid.

This is a totally ridiculous situation , surely as member of the ABA I should be able to approach and get a straight answer from the people who are supposed to represent me. If they don't know make some inquiries and get back to me. Problem solved.

I think I'd have an easier time approaching the POPE!

[OldDog]

Wonder if they'll get a sidmobile next. LOL

[rinaldo]

:lol: LOL :D :D :D

[2Dogs]

That accident that happened in Victoria with the young kid who shot and killed his nieghbour. He was an ABA member.

I wonder if the ABA insurance was put to the test there?....the family of the dead man may be pursuing some action regarding the matter???.

Curious about that one.

[Marcus]

Apparently the home insurance was used, ABA did not cover it, nor would I expect them to. I doubt AA's would have either.

[robbo]

she suggested I ring Sid Green. Because I was not on the club executive she stated that I had to put my question in writing through the club executive who would then send it on to Sid.

This is a totally ridiculous situation , surely as member of the ABA I should be able to approach and get a straight answer from the people who are supposed to represent me. If they don't know make some inquiries and get back to me. Problem solved.

I had no trouble getting a reply from Sid on the insurance matter.

[Marcus]

so you have seen the policy then robbo?

[rinaldo]

I had no trouble getting a reply from Sid on the insurance matter.

I guess you are luckier than most because three of our club members tried getting a response. To say that they were greeted coldly would be putting it kindly.

[enseth]

There is an excellent article in the latest issue of Action Archery re ABA insurance. It's well worth a read and should help put a lot of concerns to rest.

[Kuru]

Enseth, thats just the ABA's own spin on things, until we actually see the exact wording there will always be grey areas and members will/should be worried..............

[robbo]

We have a certificate of currancy pinned up on our board, current untill 2004.

This bullsh#t about ABA having no insurance needs to stop.

[Bruce]

I agree Robbo ,
I have a copy of the insurance policy in my possession along with copys of the certificate of currency for all clubs that I will give out to them at a meeting on Saturday .

[enseth]

Gareth, I had a look at the insurance policy at the branch meeting two weeks ago (it is available to all members via the branch controller) and I found nothing untoward or concerning. Although I am no legal expert it appeared to me to be a fairly standard, public liability insurance policy. If you’re a concerned ABA member ask your branch controller to let you read the policy. I am starting to think that this whole ABA insurance policy stuff is a bit of a beat up. I admit that the ABA did not help their cause by not making the policy as accessible to members as perhaps it ought to have been, but now that has been done the issue should get the same attention that the 3DAAA & AA insurance policies get, that being practically zilch.

[James Park]

Do what AA does and publish it on the ABA web site. The following link is the policy, and there is also a link to the Certificate of Currency.
http://archery.org.au/docs/qbepublicliabilitypolicy.pdf
http://archery.org.au/docs/200304certificateofcurrancy.pdf
Then it is accessible to all members easily. I can see no problems with taking this approach, and lots of advantages. Much better than having to ask your Branch Controller if you want to see it (the Branch Controller should have a copy, of course).

[robbo]

I am just wondering how many people question whether their local council or hospital etc have insurance.

In this day and age I would say it was a given, but then I am a bit naive.


Also I would think for any organisation, it would be mandatory to have insurance, but I am not a lawer.

Even the ladies in the CWA have insurance, so they can hold meetings, I assume that is in case one of them gets a bit violent with a lamington. :D

[Eberbachl]

I am just wondering how many people question whether their local council or hospital etc have insurance.

In this day and age I would say it was a given, but then I am a bit naive.


Also I would think for any organisation, it would be mandatory to have insurance, but I am not a lawer.

Even the ladies in the CWA have insurance, so they can hold meetings, I assume that is in case one of them gets a bit violent with a lamington. :D

Robbo - you want this bull**** to stop, but you keep bloody pedalling it.

Give it a rest and we'll all be happy.

ABA have now changed their tact to make the policy available to members who want to view it by contacting their branch controller.

This is not a perfect solution, but I applaud ABA for making this much effort.

Simple. For those who wish to view the policy, go and see your Branch controller.

I'm happy with that, and thank ABA for making it available for us.

:bday:

[robbo]

If you go back a few posts and you will see that I did not not bring tis back up again.



Give it a rest and we'll all be happy.

Read your own post.

Don't put all the **** peddling that's been going on about ABA on me, if you go back through the forum and check your own posts.

If you feel my posts are sh#t then don't respond, nothing in my previouse posts was aimed at you.

In my opinion the insurance problem is resolved. If you have a problem with it being brought up again then take it up wit who did.

And this latest round of discusion was not started in this thread. Just check that other forum that I am no allowed to mention here.

Any post on this forum that I feel I have something to say about, I will post, whether you like it or no, I don't give a sh#t.

I do not post any thing vindictive, I may get my back up sometimes, but I don't take well to attacks on me.

[Eberbachl]

**** Robbo, take it easy mate.

I know you didn't bring it up here again, but you tend to keep it rolling.

I agree it's been resolved now, and like I said I'm happy that ABA are now making it available to members by approaching their Branch Controllers.

I'm not putting all of this **** pedalling on you Robbo, and I'll happily admit that I've been vocal on this subject. I was vocal because the insurance matter needed resolution. All you've ever done is rattle on about how much we were bitching, and defend ABA's stance on the matter.

The simple fact of the matter is that now ABA have chosen to change their policy and make the insurance available to members by talking to their branch controller.

I'm happy with that, and I'm happy that we were vocal, and I'm happy that ABA have made a decision that is good for the members. :bday:

Cheers,

Luke.

:D

[Jacob Goodwin]

Robbo

I think all of the "BS" related to the ABA's insurance stems from the conduct of the ABA National Executive. I agree that there has been a great deal of confusion and speculation about this issue, with some vicious rumours/mistruths being spread about.

However, all of this could have been avoided had the National Executive and Syd Green dropping their hostile and unfriendly attitudes toward ordinary members and providing copies when they were asked MONTHS ago to provide them.

As for your query regarding how many people question the insurance coverage other organisations, most organisations make the nature of such coverage known AND openly/easily provide access to it. For example, it took ONE phone call to Terry Sheather at 3DAAA to get a full copy of their policy to one of our members(Manly Warringah Field Archers). What's more telling, is that the person who requested the information isn't even a 3DAAA member! Regardless, everyone at 3DAAA was helpful, friendly and treated myself and another member with respect.

[Kuru]

Does this certificate of currancy actually state what we are and are not covered for ? Or just a general overview ?

[Bruce]

Ok here is an overview of the certificate of currency that all Vic clubs that attend the meeting on Saturday will recieve , those that don't will recieve there copy with the minutes .

Our policy number is 63A154400PLB

We are insured until the 17th of Feb 2004 @4.00pm


We are covered for $10,000,000 with a $1000 excess in the public liability section

We are covered for $10,000,000 with a $1000 excess in the Product Liabilty Section
Policy Scope and Summary

Insured Australian Bowhunters Association inc , the Executive , includint all Recognized Governing bodies (rgb) and affiliated clubs as declared and shown at Schedule 1 . Committees , Sub committees , Members , Volutary Workers ,Coaches , Temporary menmbers, Employee's ,Range Officers and Trainees

occupation Sporting Body Bow hunters

Interested Parties Local , State ,Federal Government Bodies , the nsw minsiter for the enviroment and the Director General of national parks and Wildlife , and other land owners and any other interested party for their respective rights and interests

Interest insured All sums which the insured shall become legally liable to pay as compensation [including claims costs and expenses ] as a result of Personal injury or property damage caused by an occurence in connection with the insureds activiteis
Geographic Limit anywhere in australia and World wide where members ,clubs and rgb are engaged in recognized archery activities

Limit of Indemnity General Liability $10,000,000
Product Liabilty $10,000,000

Insured Extensions
Cross Liability
property in care m custody and control of the insured [limit $50,000]
Pressure vessel explosion
tenants liability
property owners liability
car parks
Member to Member Liability
First aid Treatment Risk
Errors and Omissions [limit $100,000]
prinsicpals Liabilty

Exclusions
Product Recall
Malicious product tamper or accidental product contamination
fines and or penalties
Liability under any Workers Compensation Legislation
Damages claimed for withdrawal,inspection, repair or loss of use of any product
liabilty arising out of mining m processing,use ,installation ,removal or treatment of asbestos materials
liability arising from the use of watercraft(exceeding ten meters in length),registered vehicles or aircraft.


as of the 5/3/03 there are 13 clubs listed in victoria as affilited clubs to the above schedule .

all members are covered by this policy whilst undertaking activities relating to ABA .

I hope that this answers a lot of questions and stops :agrue: lets all be happy :lol:

I have just typed this out quickly so don't take it as gospel , ask your club aba rep to ensure it is posted on the club notice board


(this is the longest post I have ever made )



Bruce

[robbo]

Thanks Bruce, that's sounds like what I have read on our certificate.

[robbo]

Luke, I agree organisations need a bit of a shake up sometimes, especially when they have been around for a while, most organisations in this position probably could do with a fresh look at themselves.



What I get upset about is the vindictiveness (sh#t thats a big word) of some of the posts.

Jacob, I can only take people as I see them from my experience.

When we were discussing this matter a few weeks or so ago, I emailed the excec about what coverage, and I recieved a civil informative reply less than 24 hours latter from Sid.

So I don't understand how others had trouble, it is not that I know him as I don't.

Anyway everyone has access now so I hope we can get on with it and no more :agrue: :fist: :silly: :onfire:

:D :wink: