Wanna master archery ?

[Kuru]

Try CBT ! I've been working with my shrink to see if CBT has any effect on archery and so far the answer is yes for me ! This is some powerful ****, I am now able to detatch myself from my shooting and analyse with much better conviction during my shots ! For me my negitive thoughts we're really killing me as I got into the 1300's but now, oh such a weight has been lifted off my shoulders, again it has nothing to do with my shooting but my attitude. The effect I have being able to now control my thoughts has been amazing and if negitive thoughts are a problem for anyone I really recommend you see somebody, totally clears your mind and it's amazing how much better you feel while shooting :)

[2Dogs]

CBT......:D WTF is that??

Coke :o :lol:

[Eberbachl]

CBT???

[2Dogs]

more importantly is it on the ASDA list :D

[Kuru]

oops sorry I assumed people knew what I was on about, my fault I should not assume hey :)
CBT -Cognitive Behaviour Therapy
Now before you all make smartass comments open your mind and this stuff actually works, ask the AIS guys, no doubt their shrinks use CBT, very powerful stuff ! My shrink uses it to council Ministers

[2Dogs]

Nah I prefer to get pissed as a fart the night before, then get onto the field and have a good yak.

then spend the rest of the shoot trying not to be sick. Bonus is you don't give a stuff about where your arrows are going.

Just Win and get outa there ASAP :D

.........isn't this the same training used at the AIS :wink:

[Shermo]

Going by Dave Barnes old avatar I guess that is the training that gets done at the AIS :D Lucky bastard! :lol: :lol:

[2Dogs]

AIS Media Spokesman :....." No Comment" :lol:

[2Dogs]

No Mr Barnes isn't old enough to do those things.

He's sponsored by Fanta, and the rest of them like to hold Tea Parties :wink:

[Shermo]

No Mr Barnes isn't old enough to do those things.

He's sponsored by Fanta, and the rest of them like to hold Tea Parties :wink:

Long Island ice tea :lol: :wink:

[Shirt]

That's a good start to the day!

Actually, yeah. Most of the people around here have shot PBs when so hungover they look worse than I do...

[Robert de Bondt]

A bit of background on CBT

Cognitive Behavioural Therapy
We are what we think! And the way we think when we have an Anxiety Disorder only perpetuates the Disorder. Cognitive therapy assists us in seeing the damage our thoughts cause.

Cognitive Behavioural Therapy is a series of strategies specifically targeted to an individual's Disorder. These can include cognitive therapy, relaxation, breathing techniques and introceptive exposure.

Working with a Cognitive Therapist can be extremely empowering as we learn to take control over our thought patterns, instead of our thought patterns controlling us. Armed with our cognitive skills we can then go back to situations and/or places we have avoided and practice our cognitive skills.

Quoting from an interview in our Article section where Chris Edwards, clinical psychologist, explains CBT :

Quote "I think we have to look at it historically because the cognitive principles are derived from the work of our earlier philosophers such as Socrates and Epitites. Epitites said that it is not the things of this world that hurt us but what we think about them. So it taught us that within regard to a whole range of emotional disorders that our thoughts are very important.

Regardless of the cause of your anxiety disorder your thoughts about the Disorder are very important. In particular, with panic disorder the thoughts are very important. I think if you a look at what a Panic Disorder is in terms of cognitive theory, a panic disorder is generally seen as misinterpretation of bodily sensations .. that is a catastrophic misinterpretation of bodily sensations. Now, once a person learns to misinterpret these sensations, a pattern tends to be fairly enduring. So the cognitive theory helps a person to assess the evidence which supports or does not support their beliefs about what is happening to them." End Quote

[2Dogs]

Sounds interesting.

But would cost a bucket load of $$$$$.

Is this the kind of thing to help control your nerves when "First Scoring End" is signalled??

[CW]

Does that mean that you are what you think? :o :o

[Zoe]

I like most of what CBT has to say (considering some of the alternatives that I've studied), and most people probably know a lot more CBT theory than they think, as it has weaseled its way into pop-psychology vernacular (and been bastardised in the process sometimes, granted).
I remember reading an article by Jay Barrs (in one of the popular archery magazines, don't know which one), which smacked of CBT, and was really good.
Given that one of the main objectives is to pinpoint the irrational logic in a patterned train of thought, Jay talked about his anxiety of "not stuffing up"...self-fulfilling prophecy time (but that's another theory), he would stuff up. Only when he was made to analyse the cause of his anxiety -> what are the repurcussions of failure (eg. people will think less of me, my mother won't love me, significant other will leave me) did he realise its implausability.
May have been that Jay came to these conclusions on his own (but I suspect a sports psychologist of a CBT bent), and may have been that it did nothing for his archery, but very poignant all the same. In Aussie terms - it's an individual sport, noone takes much notice much less gives a **** what you shoot, so may as well just shoot well and please yourself. That's Aussie CBT for me anyway.
I think there's something in that for all of us don't you? :lol:

[2Dogs]

I also remember speaking to Dick Tone, Jay's coach at that time.

Jay did see a sports Psych.

One comment Jay did say in person a long time ago was " I thought I was a confident person, I was wrong and was TAUGHT how to be truly confident"

must be this CBT Stuff....................or Dr Phi :D

[Kuru]

Some of you may belive this is just a heap of crap but for me this stuff actually does work ! It's very easy to get into your negitive thought pattern after a few shots and it totally fcks up your whole day, Now imagine after the first bad shot, naturally your pissed but if you can stop right there and get back on top of your thoughts thru learning and applying your negitive thought triggers it really does make all the difference :D

[Robert de Bondt]

Below is some of the stuff I used in the preparation of the 2000 Australian Paralympic Team. It is a bit lengthy, but I feel worth reading.

Making Your Refocussing Plan

At the World student Games, track athletes were corralled in a cramped holding area for about 30 minutes before being lined up and marched directly from the entrance tunnel to the starting blocks. Their last possible contact with their coach or teammates was more than 30 minutes before the event. At the Moscow Spartakiade, divers were crowded into an extremely small and impersonal waiting area between dives; this gave some of our athletes a feeling of no personal space. As divers on the 10-meter platform prepared for their dives, large flags, strategically placed at eye level, began to move at the other end of the pool. Interestingly, this movement only occurred when visiting divers from top competing nations dove.
At the Olympic Games it is not uncommon to face 10 or 15 distractions in the course of one day.
Every athlete should have ready a refocussing plan for potential distractions. To develop a refocussing plan, start by listing the things that usually bother you at competitions followed by other things that could bother you. Let's say you are preparing for a very important event that comes along only once or twice in a lifetime. You want to be as prepared as possible to cope with both expected and unexpected circumstances that you may face at this event. Therefore, find out as much as you can about these events have been like for other athletes in the past; you can learn from former athletes, coaches, films, and articles, On the basis of your own experiences as well as the experiences of others, make an intelligent guess about what the event will be like for you and how you need to prepare for it.
Think about distractions or hassles that have affected you in the past as well as particular things that are likely to happen at your upcoming event. Include distractions that could arise in the week or two leading up to the event; at the training site; at the competition site; on the day of the event; within the competition; between halves, events, or periods; and after the competition. Develop a refocussing plan for these potential problems. Your aim is to avoid as many irritating distractions as possible and to cope well with those that you cannot or do not wish to avoid. You may prefer that no storms blow your way, but if they should come, know how to avoid them or be well prepared to meet them.
You can break your plan into major IF-THEN components:

[2Dogs]

I prefer my "Backup" plan.

If you start shooting bad............sell current bucket of junk bow during lunch break.......and drive to nearest shop........and get a new bucket of junk :lol: :wink:

[Robert de Bondt]

I prefer my "Backup" plan.

If you start shooting bad............sell current bucket of junk bow during lunch break.......and drive to nearest shop........and get a new bucket of junk :lol: :wink:


Hmmm...wonder what Mr.Lee means by, "Bow is Bow" :o :roll: :lol:

[Kuru]

Robert yes I can understand that plan of attack, " I " systems also work good when getting shooting goals

[Kuru]

Robert yes I can understand that plan of attack, " I " systems also work good when setting shooting goals

[DrRalph]

Thanks Robert. Stuff there for lesser archers trying to move up as well.

[Harald]

Getting nerve probs?? Just fancy all the billions of stars in the galaxy
and find out how insignificant what you are about to try to achieve is in cosmic perspective. Then you don't give a damn... and just go out and do whatever happens. Just remember to let your bow do the shooting, not you..... 8)

[Robert de Bondt]

Getting nerve probs?? Just fancy all the billions of stars in the galaxy
and find out how insignificant what you are about to try to achieve is in cosmic perspective. Then you don't give a damn... and just go out and do whatever happens. Just remember to let your bow do the shooting, not you..... 8)

Recognising this cosmic insignificance I think I'll just buy a Hootershooter and whilst having a sauna, drinking vodka, frolicking in the snow and philosophising my insignificance in this cosmos, my hooter will do the shooting :lol:.

[Harald]

nah, think you have to do the shooting first, me thinking the hooter is not within Fita rules :D

The sauna is for later when your sipping vodka from the 1.st prize pocal :D :D :D

[Kuru]

I had a really interesting session with my shrink this arvo, now I've been shooting not to bad lately and thought yeah things are pretty good right now, so i mentioned my confidence was really good LOL one trigger word from her and it totally threw me, dam ! guess I still have some work to do huh ! I'm about 70 % there right now but those negitive thoughts just keep creeping in, well I let them I should say :) This has been such an empowering thing, not just for shooting but for life in general, man I hate to think how much this must cost the vic government, but do I care ? no god dam way :lol: I really recommend CBT to everyone, not just for your shooting but having an outside person put a different slant on things can really make you think. Once I get off effexor there will be no stopping me :lol:

[2Dogs]

I don't understand why you are trying to wipe out all negative thoughts.

Surely that's impossible.

They creep in on everyone at some stage, it's just how you handle it I guess.

Same with nerves. Everyone gets them, just depends on how you handle them.

Why are you seeing a shrink??....for sport?

[CMB50]

I can really appreciate what is being said here in regards to managing the negative thoughts that come into your game.
Example, recent IFAA shoot in Lilydale. I went to the shoot without setting and was starting to shoot really badly, getting angry and annoyed with myself, threw away a heap of points during this stage. When i realised i knew i wasn't here to win and said to myself i wasn't here to win, just here for the experience as it was my first IFAA, all my negative thoughts and emotions faded and i really improved my game.
Just a pity it took me 22 of the 28 targets to realise this. :-?
That was as big a learning curve as i think i've had with this sport so far. (other than the obvious first time with a BT release aid disaster!!)
I guess as long as you can manage the negatives you experience through out the course of a tournament then you're pretty much going to be fine. Everyone experiences the negatives as far as I'm aware and it's the way you control them and subdue them thats important.
Glad to hear the CBT is working for you Gareth. Even if the hundreds of dollars i pay in taxes every week is being used to improve YOUR archery!
:o :P

[stodrette]

The key here is to remember that we can only control part of the game. And that part is how "we" feel, how "we" shoot, and if "we" have prepared ourselves .......

Unfortunately, mechanical problems in archery happen....
Unfortunately, weather problems happen.......
Unfortunately, the bad competitor that ends up in your group happens......

It is how "we" choose to handle the uncontrollable events that makes us the best we can be.

At the Indoor World trials last January, I found all the women recurvers plugged into their walkmans between ends- they don't talk to anyone, they don't look at anyone, they just sit there and listen to whatever it is they brought with them. Kind of disconcerting for a transformed compound shooter..... :o But they were taught to only pay attention to what they could control, and if that meant withdrawing deep within themselves, so be it. And they were the ones that made the team......

They need to wear a sign on their back:

"Don't be made at me just because I seem like a total stuck up bitch, but this is how I succeed...."

I think this is a trait of women and not the men....why would that be so?

[frommy]

I think this is a trait of women and not the men....why would that be so?


That is a dangerous statement on this forum IMO. The dog pack might presently be sleeping in Ozzie time, but it wil be interesting to see ensuing replies. :lol:

BTW, I do not disagree with your observations.

Brian

[grantwomack]

I find the easiest way to keep shooting well is to realise that bad shots happen and get over it. Each shot is different for me, not each end or each distance. I realise that sometimes when I'm shooting a FITA, I'll get a 2 or 3 at 90m. But when you start thinking "Okay, I've got to shoot REALLY good to get back the points I lost from that 3." is when you start shooting more of them.