Limits Why???

[Flex]

Why do people set limits for themselfs?? eg its going to be hard to get
this 1200/1300 the first time.

Personally I set goals not limits :)

[James Park]

I don't set goals or target scores but try to shoot each arrow the best that I can. As soon as you set a goal or target score you have probably just set a barrier, and many archers will then stumble.

[Flehrad]

I think that it is a fine line beteen a goal and a limitation.
Personally, I set a goal, but make a realistic judgement of that goal.
For example, I set myself a goal of 1600 for a double canberra. I knew that it was possible under normal training conditions, but because I drop on average around 30 points due to tournament jitters, it would be a challange to break that.
I scored a 1592 so I am very close to my goal. But it isn't a limitation for me, just a hard assesment of probability.

Then, what it truely comes down to is your personality and optimistic/pessimistic bend.
If you're inclined to be pessimistic, then it will turn out to be more of a limitation of achiving a score compared to being optimistic and achieving a goal.

[James Park]

You simply need to look at how many archers stumble in trying to get a 1300 FITA Star. I have seen many archers have their technique fall to bits as the "magic score" creaps into their mind. They think more about the 1300 than about just shooting properly.
Champions do not let score targets get in the way of shooting properly, only average archers do. The best archers I know, and the ones that are most difficult to beat do not have target scores but just try to consistently shoot the best they can, first arrow through to last arrow.
Similarly, champions don't worry about what others score.

[Marcus]

My goals

Aust Indoor: 300 30x
IFAA Indoor: 300 60x
FITA: 1440 144x
Canberra: 900 90x
Field: 360 72x

Having shot a 300 indoor before I was pleased with the score, but annoyed that I had a few line cutters (no X ring existed then), also have shot many 300 IFAA indoor rounds, but want that 60x round.
If i shot a 1440 FITA I am just that kind of person who would want more X's.
On he other hand I'm not going to beat myself up over it, just work harder.

[Flex]

Marcus wrote

My goals

Aust Indoor: 300 30x
IFAA Indoor: 300 60x
FITA: 1440 144x
Canberra: 900 90x
Field: 360 72x


Wouldn't you be better of having a Canberra 900 with a few X's
before setting the goal of 900 90x??

[Marcus]

No, because that would mean I put some out of the X, not content with that.

I may never do it, but I'm not going to stop trying.

[James Park]

I have seen archers have a goal of (for example) 300 at 90M in a FITA. They start off with a 55 first end, shooting well, 54 the second end, and are now "9 up".
However, third end they chuck in a 43, because the "9 up" was strongly in their mind and not in their comfort zone. They then end up with "about 300, and probably something in the 290's, when in reality they could have had a 320 if their goal had been just to shoot every shot properly and take whatever score they happen to end up with.
None of us will ever beat Clint by having any other target than shooting every shot as best as we possibly can, and wanting every shot to be in the X.

[James Park]

I bet Dave Barnes and Clint Freeman expect every shot to be a 10.
Of course, not every shot will be a 10, but if you do not give it a chance and shoot it with the expectation of a 10 then you will not shoot it with conviction and will score below your true capability.

[Marcus]

I'll agree with that, when I a shooting well and I shoot an absolute crap shot aimed at the 3 with my arms wrapped around my head Bryce style, a bit of me is shocked it didn't land in the 10.

to shoot a 1440 144X:

Step 1: Shoot an X
Step 2: Repeat Step 1 143 more times.


Easy!!

[baldmountain]

I set myself some goals. First was to shoot a 300 NFAA round, then a 300 60x round. I managed to get my 300 round but haven't gotten any closer to 60x. Mainly because I'm thinking that if I miss the X I've blown the round and wasting my time finishing. I'll usually end up with about a 297. :oops:

My goals became limitations.

Now I try to separate each arrow into it's own competition with all the rest of my arrows for the day. I want the arrow I'm shooting to win so I make the best shot I can so every arrow has a chance to win. Once an arrow is gone it's had it's chance and the next arrow get it's turn to win.

A NFAA 300 round is not a 60 arrow round. It's 60 one arrow rounds.

[mike]

I think you've just got to forget about the 'magical scores' like 1300 FITA ( which is incidentally going to have you thoroughly beaten at just about any FITA tournament by a country mile these days).

You've have to have a bit of arrogance about what you are capable of. You've got to think that 1350 is your level if you are going to shoot 1330s with any regularity. That is just the nature of this sport.

I went from a PB of 1250 ish to a 1329 on this basis, I just backed myself and when I started to shoot well I didn't alllow myself to be 'suprised' and just got on with it like it was my level.

Now that is to some extent full of crap because on that day I shot a 60 at 90m and spent the rest of the day jittery as all hell and ended up putting 2 arrows into the grass. But by some over-inflated sense of my ability, the score ended up being a MASSIVE PB. That is the way of these things.

I think it is a mistake in archery to have gradual goals. I don't think it works that way....

IMHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[andy]

I don't set goals or target scores but try to shoot each arrow the best that I can. As soon as you set a goal or target score you have probably just set a barrier, and many archers will then stumble.

I totally agree there Jim. I was shooting yesterday. I was shooting good, strong shots and getting good results. I then realised I could get a club record and started thinking about the score and what I needed rather than the shots.

[Freeman]

The limit is a perfect score.

Focus on shooting the best shot you can and the rest will take care of itself..what ever score you end up with will be the best you could do for the day.

Yes I expect every arrow to hit the 10, thats the game we play.

[NOCK HUNTER]

Well done Jim & Clint, straight to the point :D

everything else is just talk!

[MerlinApexDylan]

Coversation between Bruce Lee and Stiriling Silliphant:

Bruce had me up to three miles a day, really at a good pace. We'd run the three miles in twenty-one or twenty-two minutes. Just under 8 minutes a mile [Note:when running on his own in 1968, Lee would get his time down to six-and-a-half minutes per mile]. So this morning he said to me "We're going to go five". I said, "Bruce, I can't go five. I'm a helluva lot older than you are, and I can't do five." He said, "when we get to three, we'll shift gears and it's only two more and you'll do it." I said "Okay, hell, I'll go for it." So we get to three, we go into the fourth mile and I'm ok for three or four minutes, and then I really begin to give out. I'm tired, my heart's pounding. I can't go any more and so I say to him, "Bruce if I run any more," --and we're still running--"if I run any more I'm liable to have a heart attack and die." He said, "Then die." It made me so mad that I went the full five miles. Afterward I went to shower and then I wanted to talk to him about it. I said, you know, "Why did you say that?" He said, "Because you might as well be dead. Seriously, if you put limits on what you can do, physical or anything else, it'll spread over into the rest of your life. It'll spread int your work, into your morality, into your entire being. There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level."

This blurb is from a book I own called Bruce Lee -The Art of Expressing the Human Body-. Compiled and Edited by John little. The blurb is from Page 23.

On my case in Cantonese is a reminder to me on days I just feel like giving up. "Yee Mo Haan Wai Yao Haan". It means "Having no limitations as limitations". It reminds me why I shoot archery and it reminds me why I have goals. :wink:

[Harald]

Remember reading a book (Richard Bach?) bout this Seagull Jonathan Livingston who thought meaning of life was striving for excelence and perfection in flight and life general and then being reborn on a higher level.
Kinda simplified budhist aproach to life. Very fascinating and in my opinion beats the h.. out of the other black heavy old book. :D :D :D




Living his forum life on the edge........ :D

[2Dogs]

Yes I prefer Lord of the Rings. :wink:

I too have messages written for me around the house......positive affamations.

My wife writes them for me, and they go like this........."Need Toilet Paper and milk, get them before you sit at that bloody computer"......they are on the fridge.

And so she who must be obeyed makes it so.............and life is good 8)

[Marcus]

Give up 2Dogs, you will never be any good. ;)

I have a similar saying on my tackle box. It's

"Losing is natures Way of Saying 'You Suck!'"



I suck!

[Flame]

Careful with the reply 2dogs

This is what happened to the last person that said Marcus sucked :D

http://www.users.on.net/wwwsys/Images/Forum/cross.jpg

[CMB50]

:rofl:

I know what is buried under there!!!! :vamp:

[Flame]

:rofl:

I know what is buried under there!!!! :vamp:

Please tell :D

[2Dogs]

Marcus just doesn't suck!.......he positively blows 8)

[Marcus]

Marcus just doesn't suck!.......he positively blows 8)
That was suppose to be our secret!!!! :o

[Flame]

ooooooooooooooooh yuk :o

[Harald]

So far have only been shootin (archery that is) in my closet, while others seems to prefer "to come out of it"..... :D :D :D

[Marcus]

Geez you people have filthy minds. :roll:

[clever_guy]

"I don't set goals or target scores but try to shoot each arrow the best that I can. As soon as you set a goal or target score you have probably just set a barrier, and many archers will then stumble."

No goals - no plan, no plan - no success, no success - no positive re-enforcement, no positive re-enforcement - no hope, no hope - failure...all for the lack of a horse shoe nail...errr I mean goal...

;) :P :P

In a "micro" sense you are right - when shooting only concern yourself with your current shot, regardless of how many shots you have to shoot. In a "macro" sense you need goals, you need to meet those goals, and you need to create further goals for the future. Every successful athlete in every sport does this.

-CG