Perfect Hunters shot at NFAA Nationals

[Marcus]

Joe Kapp of Indiana has shot a perfect 560 Hunters round at the NFAA Outdoor National championships recently. Joe is the second person to have done it in NFAA, the other being Terry Ragsdale.

NFAA is the US branch of IFAA. The Hunters round is tha same as the marked round except is ALL walkups and is odd distances. This is incredible shooting. Well done.

[Eberbachl]

Phew.....! Aperfect hunter's round, now that's smokin' 8)

[2Dogs]

Anyone who can shoot over 555 for any IFAA round impresses the hell out of me..................but 560 WOW!!!

Not one arrow out those tiny little spots.

Actually have you seen how many people in the USA shoot over 550 for a round. HEAPS.....again I'm impressed

[2Dogs]

What do you guys think about Mr Cousins throwing an arrow after his nearest competitor accidently shot on the wrong target, as both were coming down the finishing straight?

Personally it makes me want to puke. Dave did this during the Arizona Cup when in the shootoff his competition couldn't get his shot off in the wind. Dave still won and everyone said " what a sportsman". Maybe his marketing people decided he needed a change of image :wink:

Ok so he did that once, good on him.......very nice thing to do.

However, when your shooting for a National title and your competition has a "brain fart"......well too bad.

Do it once ok, but twice (and in a National Title) what are you trying to prove. I feel you should always try your best.

I feel it degrades the title. I wonder how the guy who came second felt about it?

[Bruce]

Paul ,

When Frank pearson was over here for the world IFAA back in the ninetys at nambucca heads . he virtually did the same thing because one of the other pro's shot a bugseye out of sequence . He didn't end up shooting off as the group all agreed to give the pro the score as he had hit what he aimed at . Whilst I admire Frank , I feel that the other Pro should have been aware of the rules and the correct sequence you need to shoot bugseyes in IFAA

[Eberbachl]

Yeah, in a way I think you're right Paul, I've seen heaps of people saying....."blah blah bla what a sportsman, my hero etc etc etc etc..."

At the end of the day, Dave must be congratulated for being a great shot - I sure as hell would love to shoot some of those scores, but to drop an arrow like that might be seen as a bit degrading by his competitors.

...I guess only Dave knows why he did it.....maybe he is a true sportsman, and honestly didn't want to have what he felt was an unfair advantage, or maybe he was saying "I don't need this advantage! I'm gonna cream you guys anyway :) !"

:roll: ..........I wonder.......... :roll:

[Marcus]

I'v been thinking about this one alot. I can agree with the shot in the wind, but at the NFAA I don't. Also insulting to everyone else who were beaten that he threw it away and still won. Also what if he went on to lose, how would the winner feel knowing that they won despite their brain fart?

It's a tough one to answer isn't it?

[2Dogs]

Bruce,

From Memory wasn't that Terry Ragsdale that shot the bugs eyes back to front?

I agree someone like Terry has no excuses for not knowing the rules.

Would have been fun to have been on his target and tell him "Well Terry looks like you just lost 4 arrows and 20 points"..........then

Runway Runaway :lol:

[James Park]

Some interesting issues there:
- Shooting targets out of order: I think the FITA field rule is better. That is: so long as there is only one arrow on each bugseye it is ok, shoot it in any order you like.
- Throwing away an arrow: Generally speaking I would not do it (the rules are the rules, and if you cannot get the shot away in the time then tough). At the National Target this year I shot one of my arrows in the last two seconds (it was blown off the launcher in the wind five times - in the end I decided it was going to go, no matter what, and if it had blown off again I was just going to aim high left and hope I hit the target, and did not shatter in the bow). However I would not dismiss the idea of giving up an arrow altogether - perhaps there are some circumstances in which one should do it (cannot thing of one, but perhaps there is). Maybe a very localised tornado centred over my competitor for the full duration of his 40 seconds?
Wally Grout (past Australian Cricket Team wicketkeeper had a good saying: "never give a competitor a lucky break". What he was talking about was that even if he had two broken legs and a broken wrist he would still want to play, on the basis that if someone else got a go, he may never get back into the team when his injuries were fixed. Similarly, if Bradman gave a dubious chance when on a score of 0, accept the umpire's descision that he was out rather than give him a chance, because he would probably make 300 if you let him stay in.

[2Dogs]

Very True,

Would have been funny to see Dave drop the arrow and then come second :lol:

In Australian terminology he wouldn't have been considered a "Sportsman"...but a Wanker :P :P

[Levi Reed]

Knowing Dave on a friendly level and competitive level, I want to say he is doing a good job of digging himself out of a hole he dug on his way to the top. A person can look at it two ways, one he is saying I am soo good that I don't need this arrow to beat you, and the other is, when you have been on top for as long as Dave has and you have won the nationals on numerous occasions, Why not make it fun. From experience, when you have a good or even commanding lead. It is alot easier to get into cruise control and finish out the round. The excitement is not there. the tension is not there. Every reason why you go to the tournaments suddenly isn't there anymore. Sure it is great to win, but when you have won before, why not have fun and keep it as close as possible right to the very end. What is the fun of winning if your opponent made a mistake therefore letting you breeze on through? I happen to repect Dave for what he did and where he may get to if he can keep the chip off his shoulder.
Just some thought I thought I would humbly share.

[2Dogs]

Thanks Levi,

Good to get another perspective on things.

I don't know Dave and I don't know why he did it.

I just think he did his sportsmanship thing in Arizona, and that he really didn't need to do that again.

I'm looking forward to meeting him and watching him shoot live in Canberra.....but I do hope an Aussie wins :lol:

[Stash]

Two different things...

The first instance was a one-on-one elimination, and nobody else was affected. I think it was a very sporting thing to do.

The second instance was an open competition. I think DC's intent was the same, but he probably didn't think about the feelings of the other shooters in his division. A bad choice of action in my opinion, but again, his intentions were probably the best.

I hope he doesn't do it again.

[OldDog]

From the little information we get down here I get the impression that Dave has been working very hard to lift his image and by all accounts he needed to, I guess after doing it once and making such a success of it he tried it again, though I personally feel he did his reputation more harm than good the 2nd time round, I would still like to think that it was done out of ignorance rather than arrogance but in the final analysis how good is this guy that he can do this twice at that level of competion and still win.

[mike]

Its not something I think I would do, but, like Luke says, who could argue with his scores!!!

I would love to be so good as to "theoretically" do this!!!

Levi: Its good to get feedback from someone who actually knows him and can comprehend his motivations!

At the end of the day its up to all of the rest of us to ensure that he doesn't get the chance to do it again. That means either beating him or being less than 1 arrow score behind him.

This sort of action should be seen as motivation for his competitors.

[James Park]

I watched Dave shoot at the World Field in Italy in 2000. Got a chance to see him in practice and during the finals (which I missed after a brain fade and an arrow on the wrong face).
He is pretty impressive. As it happened he did not win that one, but I think it went down to a one arrow shoot-off on the final target, and a nearest the cross after they both shot 5's.

I shot with Dejan Sitar in the qualification round, and he was also very impressive to watch, and a nice guy to shoot with. He did not make the cut either. Only a couple of weeks before he had broken the World Record at 30 M with a 360 and 31 X's (I think).

They would both be well worth watching in Canberra.

[OldDog]

And how good was Terry Ragsdale, some 13 odd years ago he shoot a perfect 560 hunter round at the ifaa worlds in Sweden, He was shooting a pse citation with steel buss cables and tear drops and a dacron b50 string, his arrows were x7 aluminiuns. GURU

[Marcus]

Agree Noel, impressive thing about Terry is that he was doing alot of this stuff 15-25 years ago. And to think people waste money on things like Magnocks when he proved you could shoot awesome scores with 4 wheel compounds that were out of sync.

[OldDog]

I am a bit concerned about the effect that magnetic reciever will have on the steel plate Paul has inserted in his head :wink: if he stays at full draw too long we,ll know he,s stuck.

[Jbird]

I have had the pleasure of spending a good deal of time with Dave in the last few months and had the pleasure of helping him celebrate his victory
Friday night after winning the NFAA Outdoor Nationals. I can assure you that it was a spur of the moment decision to keep it close to make it interesting.
It was NOT done to rub anyone's nose in his ability. By doing this, he gave up almost a certain all time record five day score for the NFAA Nationals. He didn't realize it at the time and probably would not have given up the opportunity to set the record. He simply did this to make the race to the finish close and I am sure that he never gave a thought to what you or I would think of his decision. Don't make more of this than there was. You and I should only be so lucky to be in a position to make a decision like that. Get ready, he is packed and ready to go and will be in your neck of the woods soon enough. I promise you will have all the competiition you can handle. I can also tell you that he is very helpful to the archers over here whether they shoot his brand of bow or arrows or not and we feel lucky to have him.
Jbird

[Marcus]

Great to hear your view on it Jbird. Look forward to seeing him, Roger Hoyle and Jeff Button shoot. I'm still putting my money on Clint, Leigh and Bryce though, :) (I bet on the Chargers when they played the 49ers in the Super Bowl as well. $20 gone on the second play)

[2Dogs]

I'm looking forward to seeing him shoot in real life.

An on another note, how the hell did I miss that insult from Teelow :o

[Marcus]

probably because there are so many of them.

[2Dogs]

True...... :P

Did you see the blue silverfox got himself into on archerytalk.

Silverfox struggles to work out how to switch his computer on, so as a rookie he took a pounding....

He'll learn.........................or get banned :D :D

[Marcus]

which one was that one? I saw the one on disabled archery, and also him claiming that dual cams are just catalog padding. Any others? I tend to ignore his posts. Ravings of a Mathews Madman don't hold my interest. ;)

[2Dogs]

He He...true...start counting, he'll be posting shortly.

There was a post called Target Panic, Admin edited the hell out of it, but Noel was reading the replies to me.

Got Pretty heated and didn't do much for the ANZUS treaty :wink:

[Marcus]

Just read it. :lol: :lol: Love ya work Noel!! :lol:

[2Dogs]

Marcus,

explain something to me. Noel was replying on the thread and ended up with 2 pages of messages.

When I go there I only see 1 page of messages with a lot obviously taken out.

How come Noel can see them all and i can't. Do i have to switch on something in my profile. I want to read all the stuff they said

Please Explain!.........as Pauline Hansen would say :wink:

[Marcus]

No I can't read em either. There are still some remaining though. He may still have them on his bowser, otherwise they are gone for good.

[Eberbachl]

Buwaaahhhaaahahahaha!!! :lol: :lol:

I just read the TP thread on AT..........that's great work indeed Noel...:)

Let's get those Aussie flags flying hehe :P

....but right now I'm going back for more :) cya!