Forward Bow arm movement

[Shermo]

Having read one of Terry Wunderles articles recently, I have changed one of the aspects of my form.

Terry says that he encourages all of his archers to shoot a 'strong' shot, by 'pulling the bow apart' to release the arrow. The whole time pushing the bow hand firmly at the target.

Saying that archers how shoot with a more relaxed shot often cannot duplicate it under tournament pressure. Thus they shoot too strong of a shot, sending the arrow high.

By shooting the bow in a strong manner, it is easier to duplicate the same shot process over and over again. This is what he calls owning the shot.

Reflecting this on myself I know that when shooting events such as the Top Tens at 3D tournaments I often shoot the shot stronger than usual (trying extra hard) resulting in a higher than planned. So by implementing this 'strong' shot principle in practice routines, the scores should rise :D

Article found in 3d & Bowhunting Times

www.3-dtimes.com

[2Dogs]

Then again you could always just choke in the Top 10 and flinch, and that slow bucket of crap Protec (282fps) will do the rest for you..................as in dirt :wink:

[OldDog]

Terry said pull the bow apart shermo, Not pull yourself to death :D :D

[Shermo]

Then again you could always just choke in the Top 10 and flinch, and that slow bucket of crap Protec (282fps) will do the rest for you..................as in dirt :wink:

Look who's talking :roll:

KAPOW!!!!!! arrow in the dirt while shooting 30m at the weekend :lol: :lol:

CHOKE! COUGH! CHOKE! :wink:

2dogs goes down to Old Dog and Mathews :wink:

[2Dogs]

Hey at least I've gone down!!.................where have you gone????....Labrador :rofl:

[Marcus]

Having read one of Terry Wunderles articles recently,
That explains the inability to get golf ball sized groups at 18m. ;)


Ki Sik Lee says there are no 'strong' shots, just consistancy. If you need to do 'strong' shots the you are not using the proper technique.

I'll take the word off someone who has produced Olympic and National champions, and not produced the dude who choked in Sydney. ;)

[Shermo]

All right you bunch of #*!#'s :lol:

Follow the way of Jee Wahh Suki or whoever the hell he is :wink:

Terry Wunderle does coach a lot of top level archers though :wink:

[Marcus]

Like who? I only ever hear "Terry Wunderle coaches the worlds best blah blah" however give me names here.

Forget coaches talking crap like strong shots, learn about bio-mechanics, that's where it lies.

[Shermo]

All right give me a couple of hours to find a few out, I know that he coaches Braden Gilthein (not sure on the last name) the seventeen year old Hoyt shooter :wink:

[Michael Naray]

I'll take the word off someone who has produced Olympic and National champions, and not produced the dude who choked in Sydney.

Hey! That's not fair! He didn't lose because he choked, he lost because he had the second-worst release in the history of Olympic archery. I watch that video 3 times per week to remind myself of what not to do. Inspiring. :wink:

I think the title for worst release is held by Magnus Peterson of Sweden in the same tournament. How could he get so much worse from 1996 to 2000? :-?

-m

Before criticising someone, walk a mile in their shoes.
Then, when you do criticise them, you will be a mile away
and have their shoes.

[2Dogs]

Ah well I'll take MAgnus's release any day, 1340 FITA's ain't to shabby and he's one a ****e load of indoor Tourney's around the world.

[2Dogs]

Ah well I'll take MAgnus's release any day, 1340 FITA's ain't to shabby and he's won a ****e load of indoor Tourney's around the world.

[2Dogs]

what the hell happened there :o

[Zoe]

4Dogs, there is nothing so egotistical as to quote oneself

But I'm sure Michael must be able to do better than that!

[Clare Barnes]

Ah well I'll take MAgnus's release any day, 1340 FITA's ain't to shabby and he's won a ****e load of indoor Tourney's around the world.

what the hell happened there :o

Perhaps you were going back to quickly correct the punctuation and spelling, and mistakenly hit the wrong button? :wink:

There again, I could be wrong..... :-?

[Flame]

Glad you weren't my teacher Clare :D

[2Dogs]

Zoe...that price on the quiver just went up...............$150 :wink: :lol:

[DrRalph]

I think the title for worst release is held by Magnus Peterson of Sweden in the same tournament. How could he get so much worse from 1996 to 2000? :-?


On the other hand I personally think the Italians, di Buo *and* Frangelli could give him competition on the release front. Footage from the 2003 World Indoors was amazing. di Buo in particular just lets go and his string hand almost doesn't move back at all, it just flys out from the face and down. It is as if he was holding it all on his biceps, and none in his back at all.

He still won, but his consistency must come from brute strength. Not a good lesson for beginners not sure of their own form yet.

[stodrette]

Just to clear up a few items of fact:

Terry Wunderle does not coach his son!!!

When Terry speaks of a strong shot, he is speaking of the same shot every time. The bow arm is solid and strong, not bent or "relaxed". He would absolutely agree with Mr. Lee!!!

[recurve boy]

This is probably a case of bad terminology. Terms like "strong shot" and "aim harder" do not bring to mind the same things as "correct form". While Terry Wunderle probably does agree with Mr. Lee, Mr. Lee certainly doesn't agree with Terry's terminology. And really, its not very good terminology. "Strong shot" could mean a whole heap of things, "Keep your bow arm straight, but not locked, elbow turned away, hand relaxed" means only one thing.

[recurve boy]

On the other hand I personally think the Italians, di Buo *and* Frangelli could give him competition on the release front. Footage from the 2003 World Indoors was amazing. di Buo in particular just lets go and his string hand almost doesn't move back at all, it just flys out from the face and down. It is as if he was holding it all on his biceps, and none in his back at all.

He still won, but his consistency must come from brute strength. Not a good lesson for beginners not sure of their own form yet.

No offence to the Europeans, but frankly I don't think beginners can learn anything from them. Hell, I don't think any body should use them as models. Much much too unconventional.

[Michael Naray]

Dr. Ralph:
On the other hand I personally think the Italians, di Buo *and* Frangelli could give him competition on the release front.

RB:
No offence to the Europeans, but frankly I don't think beginners can learn anything from them. Hell, I don't think any body should use them as models. Much much too unconventional.

Agreed. They may be brilliant, but like David Barnes' follow through, are almost impossible to learn from. There are some people on SagiBB now trying to figure how to emulate di Buo's style, as it is obviously so successful. It was hard not to comment. :wink:

-mikey
"A closed mouth gathers no feet."

[2Dogs]

Strong shot....weak shot....who gives a rats.

Terry Wunderle is one fine coach, so is Mr Lee. Mr Lee specializes in Recurve only (I doubt he could load a release:D) Terry covers compound and Recurve.

So what happened to Dick Tone?, I don't hear his name anymore. Dick was Jay Barrs coach and having listened to Mr Lee's advice which is very good, I heard it all before from Dick. It cost me a $100 for a 3 hour lesson with Dick, and I learnt more in those 3 hours then I did in the 10 years previous.

[Oldtimer]

Doesn't Dick Tone have something to do with Cavalier products ? Very knowledgable bloke. I'm constantly amazed that so many expert archers are prepared to share their knowledge, even their equipment during a tournament. During the LA Olympics, one of the men had a problem with a limb (the bow's, not his), and someone from another country lent him his spare limbs (the bow's, not his) so that he could finish the tournament.

[stodrette]

Dick is still coaching in Arizona, just doesn't get out much anymore.....

[2Dogs]

During the LA Olympics, one of the men had a problem with a limb (the bow's, not his), and someone from another country lent him his spare limbs

Wonder if they do the same at the ParaOlympics :wink:

[Shirt]

:rofl:!

What's better than winning the 100m in the Paralympics?



Walking. :D

[Floxter]

Terry Wunderle is currently the coach for Amber Dawson and Jamie Van Natta, U.S. women compounders, was the coach for Adam Wheatcroft prior to his untimely death, and currently the coach for Roger Hoyle and Braden Gellenthien, the 17yr old who took bronze at the Worlds'.

[SteveFSA]

Like who? I only ever hear "Terry Wunderle coaches the worlds best blah blah" however give me names here.

How about Braden Gellenthien? Braden holds Terry in very high regard. I interviewed him for USA Archery and here is what he has to say:

SRR: Can you tell us about Terry Wunderle's coaching method? As I
understand it, his philosophy is to focus on shot execution and the feeling of a perfect shot. Is that your focus in training and competitions?

Braden: "Obviously, I feel that Terry Wunderle's coaching methods are the best out there. He helps the archer to focus more upon the perfect shot, and the feeling of the perfect shot, than the other aspects of shooting. He also helps to develop the mental game of the archer. This helps the archer to be able to relax more than others in high-pressure situations. This is essential to be able to stand on the line in front of thousands of
spectators and be able to continue to hit the 10 ring. Once the mental game is established, and the archer is able to concentrate on the feeling of the shot more than trying to control the pin, it really doesn't matter whether the archer is shooting by his or herself in practice, or is competing in the gold match of a World Championship. Throughout competing, my focus has mainly been on only the perfect shot. I won't lie and tell you that the thoughts about score and placement had never crossed my mind, but I don't dwell upon those thoughts any more than I would recollecting what I had eaten for lunch the previous day. This is important to allow the archer to compete to his or her optimum level of competition at all times. "

It's a great interview, I'll post a link to the whole thing latter.

-- Steve

[SteveFSA]

For those how don't know, Braden is 17 years old and has set 18 world records in Cadet, Junior and Senior dividions. Also to his credit is a third place finish in the FITA world target championships in 2003.

-- Steve

[Ozzy]

Watching Braden on the World Champ. Video/DVD he is a credit to the sport. :P
To see those top compound archers from the Netherlands, Canada Italy etc. etc, you realise just how good you need to be.
17 years old to win a bronze in that company from all over the world . Superb archer. :wink:
& he now shoots a Hoyt, so look out world !

[Marcus]

thanks Steve. ;)

[SteveFSA]

Here is the link for Braden's interview. This appears in the Feb Issue of USA Archery.

http://www.nccn.net/~sross/braden.htm

Also check out the interview for Aya La Brie:

http://www.nccn.net/~sross/aya.htm

This is part of the website I built for the team I help coach, check it out
while you are at it!

http://www.nccn.net/~sross/

-- Steve

[SteveFSA]

BTW: If anybody has comments on my website I would like to hear them. This was my first attempt at one of these and I gained a new appreciation of how time consuming it is. :roll:

One page in particular I think is worth checking out:

http://www.nccn.net/~sross/range1.htm

This is a map of one of four ranges our club has. Click on a target number and a pic of that target will pop up.

-- Steve

[Marcus]

Go to a softer background. Yellow is hard to read off. If you look at this site and professional websites they go to colours simlar to paper.
Otherwise great to see these articles on the web

[robbo]

Good site, but have to agree, the yellow is a bit hard on the eyes. :D

[robbo]

Good site, but have to agree, the yellow is a bit hard on the eyes. :D

[robbo]

I like the Map of the range idea.

[robbo]

I stuffed up there. :oops:

I went to edit and I hit the quote instead. :D

[SteveFSA]

Thanks for the tips.

-- Steve