The feral factor

[Kuru]

Now I enjoy shooting ABA but alas I am not a feral, us non-ferals are very far and few between in ABA so what can be done ? On a recent trip to an ABA club with my missus we pulled up to see 4 guys sitting in the back of their utes sharpening their big hunting knives. First comment from the missus was, hmmmm ok....... Like what the fck :o Now surely sh*t like this does nothing for the image of ABA. Now I know ABA love their hunting but when you see dead animals on walls and photos with blood and stuff surely a hell of alot of people out there will just walk straight out the door with a foul taste in their mouth of Archery. Maybe it's time ABA woke up and thought sh*t we really need to clean ourselves up and project a better image.

[mbomike]

If what u say about Billy Joe and his redneck mates in thier ute is true, then that is very disturbing to imagine.
The gorey side of hunting shouldnt be in your face for average mr John Citizen with wifey and 2.4 children + dog.
I agree with the achievements of previous hunts ie trophy rooms etc. However they should be in a back corner somewhere.
I have a couple of trophy's at home, and im still debateing with myself on placement of these items. In the study or over the fireplace :roll:

[Ozzy]

I believe Field Archery (not ABA) should be promoted as a form of archery similar to golf. :o
This "rambo" element will prevent any good PR person from creating that image .
Field Archery on a reasonably level course would certainly have more appeal to the average person than Target Archery, which is perceived as monotonous by most spectators. :roll:

[Alan Loy]

I was talking to my wifes brother at Christmas suggesting that their kids might enjoy archery. They said that they had been to an archery club but were concerned by the knife and hatchet throwing and therefore didn't pursue it.

This is a pity. I wonder how widespread these incidents are.

From a publicity viewpoint i can't help but think that "Olympic Archery" would work well as a brand to get families into the sport.

Clearly most Archers dont shoot "Olympic Archery" but I think that schools and many parents would go for it. When the archers get into the sport they will then decide where to go from there.

[darthfik]

Hmmmm!!
I always thought the B in ABA stood for Bowhunters.
If Mr & Mrs Joe Average are intimidated by hunting and related activities why did they go to a club affiliated with the Australian Bowhunters Association in the first place?
If you went to a fishing club and saw stuffed fish on the wall and people sharpening fillet knives and fish hooks nothing would be said.
One of these people may have been showing the others how to sharpen blades, something that is the entire purpose of a club in the first place, to share knowledge on all related subjects. Would you have had a whinge if they were making arrows with feild points (I think not)?
If you don't like people doing bowhunting activities at a bowhunting club go join an AA club.

[Kuru]

darthfik, it's a simple solution for me. I simply won't bother joining ABA again, a 530 ifaa shooter it's their loss ! I'd rather pump my money into 3DAAA who puts money back into the sport and ABA have lost yet another member. I actually do understand that aba is mostly hunting I was trying to point out that they have a serious Image problem.

[darthfik]

I can not deny that ABA deserves to loose members, they most certainly do. But the ABA is a organisation founded by hunters for hunters (they have lost sight of this in politics in the last 25 years or so). So if all you wish to do is shoot paper there are other options myabe the ABA will miss you but I won't. Go join AA or 3DAAA.

[Bruce]

Gareth , if it was at the club I think it was at then , I think you are being a bit harsh . The club I am thinking of has many members in it and I must support the notion that they may have been being shown a new method to sharpen a Knife or a new tool for ding the same . All of the trophies displayed at that club are ok by me , I have no problem with the way that they are displayed . ABA has a policy on the standard of photo's to be presented and there should be no blood in photo's at all if possible. I am sorry that you have decided to not renew your ABA membership as I looked forward to catching up with you on the range this year there is a lot of IFAA going on this year , we are going to be shooting a different game of 3D not the IFAA game and I think we are starting to make some head way in the sport here in Victoria .

It is you decision but once again I think you are being a bit harsh on the club concerned .


catch up with you somehere in the future


Bruce

[Bruce]

Allan ,

Your club had some of the best Axe and Knife throwers in the state . It is only since the state government has banned the use of modified throwing implements that the practice has stopped here in victoria .

At present we are lobbying the government for an exemption to this .

Axe and Knife throwing is a legitamate skill and participants have strict rules and safety guidlines to follow . It is a game played at the end of the days competition and is a great spectator sport with lots of cheering and support for fellow club members .

If you look around the back of the old club house at DVA you will find the old axe and knife targets there .

It is a great social game and something to do to fill in the time before dark after a days shooting on the range . As you would be aware , most ABA archers camp at the club grounds and enjoy each others company . I am sure if AA archers socialised together , some sort of game would be developed as well , but as most AA archers stay off site , then there is no need for some sort of organised activity or novelty event after the days competition.


Bruce

[robbo]

Now I enjoy shooting ABA but alas I am not a feral, us non-ferals are very far and few between in ABA so what can be done ?

I take offence to that statement, Going by your statement most people in ABA are feral?

I am hoping that is not what you meant? :-?

As Bruce and Darthfik have said the people in question most probably where trading skills. But if it where more then don't judge all by the few.

I have been shooting or involved in archery for about 3 years (not a long time I know) and I have shot in Victoria.

Apart from the odd one, they have all been good people, I will say the same about the AA archers I have met and the 3DAAA archers I have met.

Infact I would say most archers are the same, from different walks of life but we are all out there doing what we enjoy. :D

Speaking personly I wouldn't like to see you stop shooting ABA, But hey...

[robbo]

I was talking to my wifes brother at Christmas suggesting that their kids might enjoy archery. They said that they had been to an archery club but were concerned by the knife and hatchet throwing and therefore didn't pursue it.
.


:o

Alan

The axe and knife throwing is still held in NSW. It is done behind a well fenced area generally well away from the range.

It is and never has been to my knowledge the focal point at any shoot that I have been to.

I have tried it a couple of times, not very good at it.

One of my kids likes it, it doesn't interest the others, they either go fishing/etc or walk around talking to their friends.

The axe and knife throwing is always done after archery is finished, those that want to do it wander on over , those that don't sit around the camp/ club tell stories. :D or go home.

It is such a small part of it, that I don't think it should influence anyone, at least I hope it doesn't. IMHO :wink:

[Randall Wellings]

SHHHHHHOOOSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Robbo,,they may find out :o :o

For if the truth be known...it's where we carry out "secret men's stuff"

(The wallowing around, getting absolutely sh1t faced on congealed chooks blood..eating decomposed animal offal and sacrificing the lusty virgins...doesn't happen :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:)

Gotta get to one of those happenings sometime :wink: :lol: ...

sounds good :wink:

[Alan Loy]

I personally have no problem with knife & axe throwing, I was simply relaying a comment.

Those of us with a few years under the belt will have seen the shift away from hunting, firearms etc amongst the general public. Whether we like it or not, at least in the cities, it seems to be a fact. The question that needs to be addressed is how you deal with that and still create a positive image for archery.

Clearly FITA is the most sanitised archery and its link to the Olympics seems to me to provide the best opportunity to push archery. Just as clearly FITA is not for everyone particularly if we are only talking recurve.

I think both ABA & 3DAAA clubs will suffer from moves away from hunting within the general populace so a link between them and AA clubs seems sensible. I am biased in this as I chose a club that offers both target and field disciplines.

[enseth]

Gareth, Your initial comments that "us non-ferals are very far and few between in ABA so what can be done ?" suprises me. I have been only shooting for about 3 years but have been to quite a few ABA clubs. In that time I have seen very few "ferals". I think I have met about 3 members that would fit into that classification. I'm not sure if this means we have a better class of membership up here than you have in Mexico, but most ABA members that I come across are reasonably conservative, family orientated, and genuinely nice people.

Yes, a lot of ABA members hunt. (I

[Kuru]

Bruce I could just walk away from ABA and bitch about it but to leave because of other people, nah fck em ! :D I just think the full on dead animal stuff in your face would put alot of people off and can only harm the ABA in the long run

[Randall Wellings]

Even Randall has a certain amount of culture to him

ensethbe vewy vewy careful...I might just show you some of that culture, when next we meet...degorging a belly full of 6 weeks out of date yogart sound like a good culture.

I told you...this is 'secret men's stuff'..don't make us look like them other Fita faggs..we have a redneck, nuckle draggin, hill billy reputation to uphold...ooops forgot the virgins.. :o please insert 'virgin sacrifising' before hillbilly reputation........

kidding :lol: :wink:

cheers

[mbomike]

kidding :lol: :wink:

cheers

Only kidding. Damn I was going to join :-?

[OldDog]

Definition of a Maryborough virgin. A girl who can run faster than her brothers. :rofl:

[robbo]

I think that you must have struck a freak gathering or, as some have said, misjudged the moment.

Musta been a full moon. :wink: :D

[Randall Wellings]

A girl who can run faster than her brothers

very true, only cause she is chasing her uncle back to Ipswich where the rest of the inbread family reside.... :o :lol: :wink:

cheers

[OldDog]

You just dont get it do you you idiot. Ipswich is social climbing for me. I was born and raised in Cunnamulla. 8)

[Bruce]

Lets not let this generate into a slanging match . Gareth has raised some serious concerns about a situation he witnessed at a club . I have expressed my opinion on the matter and believe that it was a misunderstanding . I raised the matter with the branch delegates at meeting today and asked that they all ensure the standards set remain at there current high level .

The trophies displayed are not blood thirsty gory types in my opinion , they are donated from a private collection of one of the founders of that club and one of the instigators in the forming of ABA many years ago .
The club has chosen to tastefully display these trophies to recognise the hard work and effort made on all our behalfs by this long standing member .

Gareth , I am pleased you are reconsidereing your position on rejoining ABA as I strongly believe there are heaps less so called"Ferals " in the sport now compared to when I started shooting here in Victoria some 17 years ago . Those that are still around from that time have developed into serious field archers now and I believe the standard of the archers in our sport with regard to presentation and behaviour is very very high .

I think the IFAA game has made a big difference in the attitude of the members in both presentation and the equipment they use . Gone are the days when everybody and I mean everybody shot a 2117 :D

[OldDog]

CHEEEZ!! Bruiser, chill out dude, Noone is slangin. Just havin some fun is all. I could go on for hours about the bad element of aba if i chose but what purpose would it serve. aba will never listen so just hang loose and have fun. :D

[Bruce]

Thats ok Noel , just don't see why the fun has to be always at ABA's expense .

I have worked hard along with many others since I started in ABA to lift the standards in the sport , My first interclub shoot was virtually a blokes only affair , now it is a sport with many more familys attending than single blokes . We need to keep heading in this direction I believe .

ABA clubs might be different in other states but here in vic and all the other clubs I have shot at on the east coast there seems a good mix of people and not to many , "Feral Types "

[Marcus]

Bruce is allowed to decide the tone and content of this section. Please respect his wishes in terms of it's level of behaviour. He is the moderator.

I think what Gareth raises are some excellent issues and something to be given alot of consideration by clubs in regards to their memberships.
We are a developing culture and like it or not one that has not grown up hunting.

Also clubs need to have a good look at what keeps young women away from the sport. ABA has very few teenage-30 year old women, these mostly shoot target. This is important because it keep young men in the sport longer.

Hats off to Bruce for taking the concerns seriously, it is a shame that some others fail to do so. ;)

IMHO

[OldDog]

You mean like all the other threads on archery forum :wink:

[mbomike]

You mean like all the other threads on archery forum :wink:

I must say that has to have been the most accurate comment I have seen here

[robbo]

I was born and raised in Cunnamulla. 8)

I grew up just one step up, in St George. :D

[Luke]

It irks me when people are willing to participate in a sport that was born from the necessity to use the bow and arrow as a weapon for the harvesting of animals for food and then these same people have the gall to turn around and say that bowhunter's are ferals for practising the art of our fore fathers. IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHERE THE EGG CAME FROM, DON'T EAT THE OMLETTE! :evil:

[woodduck]

Gareth,
Those feral bowhunters have quite a cheek, how dare they do bowhunter type things on their own Australian BOWHUNTER Association field courses, and upset the delicate sensitivities of you and your good lady wife.
It seems that you just cant go to an ABA field course these days without running into bowhunters.

Gareth, I am a "feral " and my first reaction to your post was to think uncharitable thoughts about you, but after some consideration, I just pity you mate, because you have no idea what you're missing out on.

[Kuru]

Gareth,
Those feral bowhunters have quite a cheek, how dare they do bowhunter type things on their own Australian BOWHUNTER Association field courses, and upset the delicate sensitivities of you and your good lady wife.

Finally somebody understands !!! :lol:

Bruce, firstly you do an absolute **** load for ABA and I appreciate the fact that you didn't jump up and down over my thread, shows you can see the bigger picture. ABA are very lucky to have somebody such as yourself. I appreciate you bringing the matter up. This thread was just my general observation. And I am amazed Randall hasn't gone on the war path, yet :)

I would like everyone to think is it really that bad to want to improve the image of ABA ?

And finally to Luke and woodduck I shall stay in ABA just to piss you 2 guys off :lol:

[woodduck]

Gareth,
If four guys swapping tips on how to sharpen knives at an ABA field range, constitutes an "image " problem to you, I would put it to you that you have a perception problem.
You also implied bowhunters are feral, which I personally found to be insulting. It also makes me think that you are up yourself. If given the choice, I would prefer to associate with the four bowhunters than someone who is looking down his nose at the rest of us.
I do agree that bowhunting practises need to be conducted with good taste, but if the time comes when bowhunters have to pretend the're not bowhunters at ABA venues, that is when I will quit ABA.

[Bruce]

Woody , I don't think that Gareth is saying we need to hide the fact that we are bowhunters and I will always support the rights of bowhunting , I think that the point Gareth is trying to make is that we need to be careful about how we present ourselves to the general public . Perception and first impressions count .

A couple of years ago I was up in the mountains fishing near Bright with some guys from the club , we were casting lures minding our own business when this guy jumps through the bushes rifle accross his chest and starts yelling at us had we seen his dogs , then a group of his mates turned up in 4wd vehicles had a quick chat to him heard the dogs had bailed a deer up on the other side of the river they all jumped in the trucks and ploughed straight into the river and up the other side of the bank making a new track as they went.

That was my first experience of hound hunters and you can guess what my impression was .

All clubs should have there clubs trophies on the walls of the club house , just remember to explain and talk about the club to new members not just leave them standing there staring at Bambis head on the wall.

[Randall Wellings]

I don't think that Gareth is saying we need to hide the fact that we are bowhunters and I will always support the rights of bowhunting , I think that the point Gareth is trying to make is that we need to be careful about how we present ourselves to the general public . Perception and first impressions count .

How very true...I have always promoted the idea that..

"you may well be someone's first impression of what 'Archery' is all about" ...how do you measure up??
The same can very well be said about 'Bowhunting'..

As Bruce points out Perception and first impressions count

cheers

[Luke]

Gareth, I certainly agree with the gist of you post, the ABA does need to address the public perception of bowhunting and bowhunters.

My annoyance comes from the fact that you were so quick to judge these bowhunters as 'ferals'. You might like to re-read your post and as Randall points out, "you may well be someone's first impression of what 'Archery' is all about" ...how do you measure up??

If your post was my first impression of 'archers' than you might have left a bad impression. Fortunately I know a large number of archers and know that this sort of 'down the nose' attitude is not prevelant. Lucky I guess...

I don't know your situation or previous experiences but maybe if you spent more time around bowhunters, maybe even going on a hunt with some you'd get to see that most bowhunters are as 'straight shooting', down to earth people as you'd ever hope to meet. I can honestly say that I have never come across a sport (and I have done a LOT of sports) that has a higher concentration of genuinely friendly people than in bowhunting; and that's the god's honest truth.

Luke

[Kuru]

First off I never said bowhunters were "feral" I have hunted many times. Second I have never looked down on hunters, exept when it's unethical and inhumane. These were MY general thoughts on the perception of ABA by, an ABA member ! Third if anyone is annoyed by what I have said speak to me in person at a shoot ! don't send fcking stupid pm's.

[Luke]

First off I never said bowhunters were "feral" I have hunted many times

Sorry Gareth, I must have misunderstood the following...

Now I enjoy shooting ABA but alas I am not a feral, us non-ferals are very far and few between in ABA ...

...what exactly did you mean by that? :-?

Second I have never looked down on hunters, exept when it's unethical and inhumane. My 'impression' from what you wrote was that you were...illustrates Randall's point of 'first impressions'.

My apologies.

Luke

[Randall Wellings]

don't send fcking stupid pm's.

Gareth.. couldn't agree more...

If they haven't the balls to say it up front.. then they're not even worth acknowledging.

We don't have to agree all the time :wink: sometimes you are just plain and simple "WRONG" :lol: :lol: ..

I am certainly against these spineless f***wits who choose to hide behind some stupid name and play games.

And to be honest.. yes there are some very questionable characters out there who don't present a good image of the sport...mind you the same can be said about some in A.A. and 3DAAA or the local football club, the darts club and possible the bridge club keeps their undesirables out of the public eye.

Everyone

[robbo]

First off I never said bowhunters were "feral" I have hunted many times.


You are right, you didnt say "bowhunters" were feral.


But by this statement,Now I enjoy shooting ABA but alas I am not a feral, us non-ferals are very far and few between in ABA so what can be done ? .
It looks like you are implying that members of ABA are mostly feral. I strongly disagree with that statement, but I took it that the wording wasn't quite the way it was meant.


don't send fcking stupid pm's.

There seems to be a few around that want to have a go without putting their name to it. :x

[2Dogs]

No they aren't feral.............they just don't have any necks, and their knuckles drag on the ground.

...Hell take alook at Randall :rofl:

...oh you can send me stupid PM's.......cause I will post them up here for all to read :D::D

[Randall Wellings]

...Hell take alook at Randall

well no-one is argueing 2dogs...I was put on the earth to provide entertainment for f***wits like you :wink: :wink: ...life would be so boring.
It is however quite a reasonable observation on your part...I do have a short neck and I also have long arms...so what's your point :lol: :lol:

cheers

[rinaldo]

Yes, Gareth, what you say may be partly true, but I wouldn't limit the problem to ABA alone. Bowhunting in general has an image problem thanks to a few ignorant individuals. One example in particular comes to mind- My wife, three children and I were at one of our first shoots when at the practice butts, a local began boring us to tears about his hunting exploits. Unbeknown to him we had never been hunting at that time. He asked if we'd like to see some of his hunting photos. To be polite we said "Yes", where upon he showed my wife and young boys an explicit photo of a dead,half eaten man lying beside his attacker -a bear which had susequently been shot :o . At this point I wasn't sure whether to choke him with my bare hands or punch his teeth down his throat :x . After careful consideration and remembering the cost of legal fees for previous such acts of righteous retribrution, I decided instead to complain to the club president who repremanded him serverely.

[Bruce]

Rinaldo, I think you handed the situation very well . I suggest that the option you took is the right one , To express your concerns to the clubs officials let the situation be handled propely .

Gareth , IF there are people sending you crap on your pm , might I suggest you take some advice already given and post it here . People that behave in this manner really dissapoint me . Thats why I would only ever post using my Name , you know me and know I talk straight no beating around the bush .

By the same token , because people know who I am , and the position I hold sometimes I think twice before posting


Catch you at the IFAA later this month



Bruce

[Marcus]

I echo Bruce's comments. Anyone sending abusive, threatening PM's will be banned.
If someone is causing you a problem Gareth email me their names, however keep in mind, I have ways of finding out without needing him to tell me.

[darthfik]

he showed my wife and young boys an explicit photo of a dead,half eaten man lying beside his attacker -a bear which had susequently been shot :o .
So how is life in Alabama?!?!?!

[BBS]

Gareth
The constitution of ABA has a preamble, I will reproduce here the first paragraph of the consolidated version 1998

"This preamble shall never be amended or destroyed in the history of this Association, subject to the intent of this constitution. It shall be held, as inviolate, that this Association exists as a National Orgainisation for the furtherance of bowhunting in Australia, and throughout all nations of the world, and all activities of the Association shall be directed to that aim. No amendment or interpretation of the constitution shall oppose that aim; all such amendments or interpretations, on being presented, shall be null and void."

So you can see from the above that the association is all about promoting bowhunting and not archery in general. If you do not like photo's of dead animals and mounted heads on the walls, guys learning how to sharpen knives, I suggest you have joined the wrong association.

If the club you are refering to is Lilydale Bowmen the gentlemen you are refering to were well out of view of the general public. If it was not a club day then you should of had to unlock the gate. Was this on a club day?

[Dave Shannon]

After reading all the responses to Gareth's original entry I feel it's my turn to voice my opinion. I am the vice-president of the particular club in question and this subject was brought to my attention at the last branch meeting by our controller Bruce.
Even though I dont hunt and probably never will I think its unfair to lable people based on their preferred form of recreation and the way in which the fruits of their labour are presented. In the 7 years I have been at the club I have never heard anyone complain about our hunting display but I am willing to listen to any ideas about how we may be able to change it.
Many of our members are regular hunters who take pride in their skill and are careful to follow the ethical standards set out by ABA. I would not lable these people as "Ferals".
In the past 7 years I have had the privelage of meeting and competing against some of the finest archers in all disciplines of archery at club, inter-club' ,state and national levels and have thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it. I am always promoting archery on all levels within our club and not just ABA but FITA and 3DAAA as well. Incidently I tried 3DAAA for the first time late last year and had a ball. Looking forward to shooting more 3DAAA in the future.
Any way i've prattled on long enough. I just wish in future people would think prior to making generalised statements.

[Bruce]

welcome aboard Dave ,

how did that bike ride go on Saturday night ??

Did you do a few extra K for me ?


Bruce

[Flame]

Hey darthfik

I just noticed your sig " Cats don't swim well in hessian."

your a bloody feral :D

[Marcus]

Good to have you here Dave, make sure you head over to DVA for our 3DAAA shoot on 6th and 7th of March.

[Kuru]

Enough is enough guys ! I think I have made my point and am sick to death of people bitching to me, either by pm's or email. I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE HUNTING, I HUNT MYSELF !!! Anyone and I mean anyone who has a problem with what I say COME UP TO ME AT A SHOOT AND TALK TO ME FACE TO FACE !!!!! Image is everything to the general public for a sport so learn to deal with the fact that most people ain't interested in seeing photo's of makka with his prize pig. If ABA don't it'll be the death of them in the long run sadly.

To Dave and BBS I hope you can make it to DVA's 3daaa shoot as I will be there and would welcome positive discussion on this matter.

[OldDog]

I dont like the way you part your hair Gareth :P :P :P

[Kuru]

WTF are you talking about old man ? :D

[OldDog]

Just stirrin **** dude. yer ugly, you stink and you drive a crap car to boot. :agrue:

[Kuru]

my car is crap ? get fcked ! I don't need to drive a wank 4wd to act as an extention of my penis, what is it they say, the bigger the car the smaller the dick. I on the other hand have a coupe so what does that say about me :lol: I'm ugly ? lol yeah girls just hate pretty boys with peroxide hair huh :lol: old fart isn't past your bedtime already :lol:

[OldDog]

A coupe eh, Is that so there is just enough room for you and your boyfriend. Go Gayreth you good thing. :bday: :rofl:

[Kuru]

I'm not gay, but my boyfriend is :lol:

[OldDog]

:rofl:

[Luke]

Crikey Gareth, and you thought I was giving you a hard time :wink:

Luke

[darthfik]

Hey Flame, I love cats.
But I can't eat a whole one :fist:

[Flame]

Hey Flame, I love cats.
But I can't eat a whole one :fist:

Waste not want not :D

[Shirt]

Translation: Don't kill it if you don't really want to.

*draws bow* :lol:

[JOURNEYMAN]

G'day Gareth,

I'm new to this board, my apologies in advance if you're offended by my thoughts on your original post, BUT I promise not to send naughty messages to you, OK?

As others have mentioned in the responses, the ABA is an archery association founded by BOWHUNTERS, there is no escaping or glossing over this simple fact.

I've been involved with the ABA on and off from around 1980 or so, my family and I chose to do field archery as a sport several years ago. My first impressions of the ABA and the sport in general at this point in time is that the association still has much of the same ''feel'' as it did when I was a junior member in the '80's.

Sure, the gear has changed (a lot), but the camaraderie and ''type'' of people involved in the ABA remain much the same.

The sport remains a predominantly ''working class'', family orientated pursuit, free (mostly) from spiralling costs that cripple many hobbies/pastimes.

The people that we have met through field archery (ABA) have been great, sure some of them come across as rough and ready types, but I have yet to meet one person that I genuinely hate!

My advice would be never to judge a book by its cover, because you might (more often than not) be pleasantly surprised.

The ABA clean up it's act? No I don't think so, perhaps some amongst us need to realize that the sport of archery is enjoyed by a healthy cross section of Australian society........

Best Wishes,

Journeyman.

[Luke]

Well said Journeyman!

[Kuru]

Journeyman, welcome aboard :D It's great to hear you and your family enjoy the ABA game, as long as you have a good time it's all good :)

[JOURNEYMAN]

G'day Guys,

Thanks for your kind words Luke and for the warm welcome Gareth!

Journeyman.

[robbo]

Welcome to the forum, Journyman. :D

[JOURNEYMAN]

Thanks Robbo!

Journeyman.