Mag Nocks

[2Dogs]

I've been out "Equipment Whoring" again, and snavelled a doz of these to play with.

The new Pro1 receiver is coming with them.

Got an open mind so I'm curious to see how they go.

HeHe before you post any slanderous replies please refer to my signature below.

All insults shall be duly noted, and a suitable reply shall be posted forthwith :lol: :lol:

If they don't work i can always sell them to Luke.......he thinks they are fantastic....but rough :lol: :lol:

[Glenn Ryan]

1330 and dropping I see Paul :lol: ...live up to that slogan mate...and I get to try a lot of toys :D

[2Dogs]

hmmmm.....maybe the slogan should be

A change a Day will Blow Adam Richards Away 8)

That's more like it..........back to taking the piss out of AR.

[Eberbachl]

Good luck with those :roll: wonderful :roll: magnocks Paul :P

[2Dogs]

:o :lol:

[Marcus]

My Magnock experiance

Thought I would try an eval set. Read the instructions, didn't think about things too much, whacked the reciever on, it exploded, re-read instructions, didn't explain explosion, one arrow insuffient to determine grouping, interest in product remains low.

[2Dogs]

Yeah I didn't have any interest in the product after seeing the original reciever.

This new Pro1 receiver looks like a much better idea.

When I'm shooting 1420's you guys will come on board :wink: ....................hangon what's this....I was asleep.....you mean I'm dreaming :lol:

[Marcus]

You shoot a 1420 with em and I'll buy a packet, maybe 2. :)

[OldDog]

I have been watching these with interest for a while, lets know what you think what arrows are you using them on, what arrows are they available for, BTW the day you shoot that score I will buy the bird in that picture for you :o

[Eberbachl]

1420, did someone say 1420??? I'll take two also :)

BTW, did you know that you can shoot whatever arrow you like with these things? The totally take away any problems due to over or underspined arrows :roll: :roll:

...but really, I should be more open minded, the one I have seen was the original that Marcus was referring to, and it did suck a bit, the pro-1 receiver is getting good reviews, so I guess there might be some truth in it.

I think they should tone down some of the wild marketing hype on the website under the 12 reasons why bit (it's really only about six dubious reasons said in a couple of different ways :) ). If they can back up some of that hyp with some fact however, I'd be more than open to listen.....

[Marcus]

Luke, did you know if you buy Magnocks, shoot them on CarbonTechs out of a Mathews you will cure World hunger? :wink:

[OldDog]

Also coughs colds sore holes and pimples on your willie :D :D

[Colin]

I Have the Mathews & the CarbonTechs allI need now are the Magnocks :)
Watch out Clint :D

[GaryH]

Hey Colin,
I'm really feeling for you. You know, they always say bad things come in 3's 8) :lol: :lol: :lol: :P

BTW, is there any website for these suckers. (Yeah, I mean the magnocks not Noel and Colin :lol: :lol: )

[Marcus]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[2Dogs]

:D

I can see it now.......I'm about to kick Clint's arse at the national championships...leading by 2.....3 arrows to go.

First 2 in the 10......1 to go. Draw back aim..aim..aim.

JUST then a Solar Flare erupts and upsets the magnetic fields over the southern hemisphere......my magnock reverses its polarity and blasts itself from my string............ I dry fire the bow and imbed the receiver into the 7 ring :cry:

Damm you magnocks Damm you :wink: ....THERE IS NO GOD...AAAAAAHHHHHGGGGGGGG :o

[marty]

The website is www.magnock.ocm

I don't think their claims are outrageous. They all make sense. As an example, Magnocks are more consistant in the way they snap onto the string and how they release. We have all experienced new nocks which require more force to put on the string than older nocks which are looser.

My main hesitation is, "does it really make any difference?"

[Marcus]

(love ya work Paul :lol: )

[quote]Better Aerodynamics - When using a conventional nock the following rule applies:

[Eberbachl]

Increased “snap” off the bowstring will induce shaft flexing. Larger vanes are needed to stabilize the arrow from flexing; larger arrows will require even larger vanes. Larger vanes = more weight & drag. The Magnock system reduces arrow shaft flexing (paradox) so large vanes are no longer needed on all arrows. Less arrow shaft flexing = smaller vanes; smaller vanes = less weight & drag; less weight & drag = better aerodynamics and less planing; less planing = less effects from over or under spined shafts. That all adds up to BETTER ACCURACY!

hhmmmmm....... want less shaft flexing????? BUY A STIFFER SHAFT!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

.........THESE CLAIMS are OUTRAGEUOUS, many of them have no basis in fact, and the ones that might, only attempt to compensate for poor bow tuning.

[Marcus]

Question

How many 1400's have been shot with convential nocks?
Just read the thread on Perfect at 90m to see how accurate normal nocks can be.

Dead right there Luke, aimed at the quick fix solution people.

[Eberbachl]

ha ha ha ha !!! this is fun

Larger vanes = more weight & drag. The Magnock system reduces arrow shaft flexing (paradox) so large vanes are no longer needed on all arrows. Less arrow shaft flexing = smaller vanes; smaller vanes = less weight & drag; less weight & drag = better aerodynamics and less planing; less

If you can't tune your arrows, bolt on a magnock reciever to compensate for this instead of using five inch vanes :lol: :lol: :lol:


If you want less weight, go ahead and rope on a huge heavy mag nock reciever to reduce arrow speed just so you can use small light vanes hehehehehe :lol: :lol: :lol:

[2Dogs]

Careful now!!!!!! I don't want you guys left behind when the rest of us start shooting perfects at 90m.


BBBAahhhhaaaaaaa :P then you'll come back crawling :lol: :lol: :lol:

See you didn't see the real reason you shoot magnocks. It's not to keep the arrow on the string it's so they attract to each other. So shoot your first one in the 10...............and the others just suck in there and slap together. :lol:

Just don't shoot your first one in the 6...........6x6=36 :wink:

[Marcus]

So if I shoot against you I should fire a Magnocked arrow into the blue and then my other 5 as normal nocks. From there it's easy cruising to victory!!

[Eberbachl]

Sorry Paul, magnock just make it so easy with their dodgy marketing hype :)

....when you magnock shooters all start shooting perfect 90m scores I promise.....I will come crawling :):):)

hmmm good idea Marcus!...... I wonder if I can install a nice magnet in one of my G-nocks :roll:

.....P.S: Paul, when is "team magnock" coming in the sig ? :wink:

[2Dogs]

sneaky bastard........what's your name Jacko :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Eberbachl]

Posted by Marty........
We have all experienced new nocks which require more force to put on the string than older nocks which are looser.


Marty, I don't know which nocks you're using....but I can take a six month old g-nock and it will 'snap'onto my string the same way taht a new g-nock will. It's the serving on the string that slowly, but consistently wears, not the nock, and any difference in arrow tuning / grouping / placing etc caused by the very gradual serving wear would take weeks if not more to be noticeable from one round to another. thereby making this effect so small that even the best archers in the world would have trouble distinguishing the difference......

[marty]

Hey, I'm not an advocate for these things. I tried them and they caused enough problems that I just dumped them. But I do think that the claims have some truth to them.

I shoot Beiters and they are a bit inconsistant on their fit on the string. Once when I had too much time on my hands I suspended weight from arrows until they slipped off of the string. Don't remember the numbers but they were different from nock to nock.

I've also been able to feel differences when I snap nocks onto the string.

So, I believe that Magnocks are more consistant than other nocks.

I also don't believe that these differences add up to any real advantage at least for me, and probably with most others as well.

[Eberbachl]

Yeah, I think you're right Marty that the magnock is potentially more consistent than other sorts of nocks, but any gain realised by this I believe is outweighed by the products bad points.....besides which it would take an archer far more skilled than most to actually see the difference in their shooting.

I do belive you about the suspended weight thing with conventional nocks, and I'm sure my g-nock would have some inconsistencies in that department also, but I'm shocked to hear that you can actually feel the difference. That must meand the beiter nocks are way out of whack.

I can honestly say I have never 'felt' the difference with g-nocks before (I've shot them for around four years now), and If I could 'feel' differences between them I'd be moving to a different nock quick smart. :roll:


:D :wink:

[Marcus]

Well I'm moving away from the Easton Pin nocks for that reason. You can feel the difference between some of the nocks. Not to mention that they cost $3 each and I plan on shoot alot of them off ;)
The G nocks have always been close to perfect. Love those nocks!

[Eberbachl]

:D Line'em up Marcus, I'll shoot them off for you :D With my lovely fat Safaris and nice sharp ACC Hyperspeed points :P

[rsw]

I see you guys are having a lot of fun with the Magnock; however, I will fill you in with some facts that may change your opinion a little bit. As a pretty fair country archer, I have found them to be of benefit. Like any new product, there are improvements to be made, and like any new product, the Magnock may not be for all - in this case the very upper echelon may or may not find an improvement since they have very little room for improvement anyway. However, there are a lot of archers out there with much room for improvement and the Magnock is one possible answer.

Loss of arrow velocity: obviously the heavier receiver causes a loss of velocity - in my case 5.5 fps. However, when I cut the extra 5/8" of arrow shaft away as a result of the length gained with the Magnock, that is almost completely dissipated and a net gain is a shorter sight tape because of improved arrow flight. Furthermore, the Magnock will tune in with a lighter spined shaft for most shooters, thus there is the potential for a significant gain in arrow velocity. Improved downrange arrow flight is certainly very likely for all.

The claim that a stiffer shaft would eliminate flexing is ridiculous as that shaft would not be highly over-spined for the bow system at hand, but the Magnock, in fact and proven by high speed photography, does eliminate significantly the flexing an arrow shaft suffers upon release. Arrow flight greatly improves as proven by shooting fixed blade broadheads and shorter sight tapes despite a lower initial arrow velocity for some of the Magnock shooters.

The very first time I shot the Magnocks, I was not a "believer", but it only took that one time. I have not lost a tournament since changing to them winning the Virginia ASA Pro-Am and the state classic 3D championship - nary a miss because of left or right grouping. Lefts and rights disappeared from my regimen of misses. The real convincer, however, was the improvement in my Vegas shooting. From an average of 18-19 little Xs, I instantly jumped to 23-24 little Xs. Unfortunately they did not eliminate my occasional "boo-boo" keeping my average score below 300.

They will not compensate for poor bow tuning as you have so lightly jested. Bow tuning must be perfect to take full advantage of the Magnock. There are no outrageous claims except by outrageous naysayers. Each claim may not fit into your regimen, but they are proven in fact and by testing.

With regard to arm damage, that is a shooter form problem and should be corrected with proper coaching. My receiver is attached loosely and does rotate around the string but comes nowhere near my arm nor my cable either. For those who are shooting near 1400 scores, the Magnock may not be an answer, but for all others, it may be of significant benefit. Give them a try - it doesn't cost much and may be worth its weight in gold. If not, you are not out much and your mate may take them off your hands to try anyway.

[Magnockman]

Well it appears this is the home forum of

[field14]

Seems that the misinformation is more from the likes of Marcus and Erbachele(spelling?) and a few others.

I can tell BOTH of you right now, if you are shooting your beloved g-nocks on your arrows for six months at a crack - FORGET ever shooting a 1400!

G-nocks are NOT consistent in weight, straightness, fit in the uni-busing, nor is that groove anywhere near as consistent as you THINEy are.

I normally sort out g-nocks by string fit, bushing fit, and weight, and out of 100, I will normally have 5 or 6 groupings. Then I tag the bag and will only put nocks on my arrows that come from the same group out of the same bag. I NEVER have just grabbed any ole g-nock and put in onto a group of arrows. They flat aren't that consistent that I would risk it.

the NOCK is the most overlooked and abused piece of equipment you have. FEW people bother to ever change them out unless they are cracked (obviously) or they look ugly. FEW people realize that just like anything else, and more FREQUENTLY than you can ever imagine the NOCKS fail - they develop cracks you can't see, or they bend (or get bent), or the ears wear and will fit the string differently. And that is under normal conditions - then add heat and humidity and things go to heck in a hand basket with them!

So, you'll all have your fun putting down new products that might be 'foreign' to you - - but There are more and more persons picking up on the magnock system, eliminating their left and right misses and setting more and more records all the time. Those fine shooters in the United Kingdom are really racking up the wins with the help of the magnock system and setting record after record on the way. Now, with the advent of the Pro-1 receiver, some of the better TOP END TARGET and 3-D shooters are also trying them out.

You can laugh all you want, but what goes around comes around, and the ones that will be laughing all the way to the bank are those that will at least TRY something before they totally blow it off - - and not be IGNORANT about it.

I was as against that system as anyone before I tried them - - my lefts and rights were nearly completely eliminated, and yes, I lost about 5 or 6 fps - -BUT, I gained almost 5 yards down range - the result being a shorter site tape between the bunny and 80 yarder, which resulted in MORE scope clearance for my arrow!

You all seem to think that SPEED is the answer to everything - - yet MANY of the long standing outdoor field records were shot with bows shooting under 230 fps and ALUMINUM arrows! FEW 3-D record scores are being shot with bows shooting much over 275 fps - - Fast misses or slow 12's - -the choice is yours.

People are too unwilling to hunt for a sweet spot on their equipment to arrow tune - they pick a POUNDAGE and stay there trying everything but the right thing and then go out and buy arrows that may cost $600 a dozen (with tungsten points) all the while THINKING that because Joe Pro shoots good with them EVERYONE will - - not.

Magnocks are not for everyone, but I'll tell you what, if you want to cut down on your left right misses and NOT have to re-tune to do it - - give them a try. Afterall, if you don't like them, for Pete's sake, send them back and get the REFUND. What are you out besides a little time? NOTHING.

Most people CANNOT follow directions because they REFUSE to read them; they opt to be a know it all and do it their way. So what if the reciever spins? If it hits your arm, it is your FORM and draw length, not the receiver's fault.

enough said, but I couldn't sit and read the babbling of people that haven't even tried them or if they did, they tried one shot after not having followed the instructions or taken the time to make sure of things - - similar to pulling back with a stan-style release set as a hair trigger and you've never tried a stan-style release ever before - you'll most likely get a smack in the chops and be afraid of it forever - - NOT the release's fault, it is yours for trying to be joe pro from the first arrow.

field14

[OldDog]

Hey field 14 and Magnokman, I have watched your product with interest over recent months and I am looking forward to trying it when it becomes available, that said I think you may be going a little hard on Marcus and Luke, we are by nature a bunch of scoffers down here but the very fact that these guys have appeared to dump on your product is indicitave that they are aware of it and its possible potenial, It is part of the Aussie psyche that we knock something or someone with claims to greatness or superior performance until such time as we have seen with our own eyes that these claims are true, then and only then will we get behind it or they ,and sing its praises loud, dont judge these guys until your product has had some exposure in this country you will then find that if your product is what I think it is, these same guys will extol its virtues long and loud, Cheers

[Marcus]

rsw I thank you for your informative post, I welcome posts that detail their experiances with a product.

Magnockman, we are as welcome to our opinions as are you. I have not given the Magnock a public ribbing on other forums and not have taken delight in it. In fact I read and generally ignore the other posts. What you are reading here is a discussion between 3 shooters from the same country who share information. If you expect us to go "Oh wow yeah they sound great! Oh really they will fix all these problems ooohhh" well you need to get out more. What myself and Luke are stating is that many of the problems these nocks claim to fix are problems we have not seen by shooting G nocks. We are both waiting to hear of what Paul finds with them, especially with the Pro1 reciever, which I have been keeping a close eye on in the AT forum.

As I said, I wanted to try but my reciever broke after one shot. Leaves me kinda in the lurch with them. It was a very very early reciever and I'm sure they have improved since then, but it will mark my experiance with them for now.

Field14
I have taken many shots in the mouth with a Stan, that kinda thing does not put me off a product. I'm an equipment junky and have been known to change my mind if a product proves itself to me. I'm not above that and will continue to keep my eye on them. I've been wrong before and will be again. Also been right too ;). I thank you for your experiance with them, that's the kind of information that gets me personally interested in a product.

In this day and age where there are hundreds of "World Champions" and every company claims that their product is used by the top shooters you have to expect people to be skeptical about them. That is the reality of the archery business. Thank you for coming onto this forum and aggressivly defending your product Magnockman, however you have missed some crucial points here. This is now a 3 page thread on your nocks, what publicity you now have. Also it has many light hearted comments regarding magnets in nocks etc, so we can't laugh about shooting a magnetic nock into the six so Paul can only shoot 6's?

And yes some claims are over the top, at least without hard core evidence, it might sell gear in the US, but prepared to be picked apart by cynical Australians. :)

In fact for your information there has been much discussion amoungst the coaches at my club (I am one of them) on using them for our disabled shooters, and once our store starts stocking them we were going to recommend them. Funny how sometimes things are happening in the background you are not aware of.

[Eberbachl]

OK, OK,........I for one wil quite happily apologise for some of my remarks, I have gone too far on this product and I haven't given it a fair evaluation to do so. :cry: Sorry :cry:

rsw....thanks for the informative post.

.....I would like to point though, That I have NOT bagged the magnock, or any other product on any other forum, and I resent the implication that I have done so. One post I made on another forum relating to the magnock was a civil, albeit skeptical, post asking questions about some magnock traits in a orderly and non biased fashion.

I have also openly admitted here that the magnock system for which I have based my comments was the "original" magnock that I saw Marcus use, and I'm sure that the Pro-1 reciever system is vastly improved. I also happilly stated that if Paul shoots well with them I'd be likely to be looking at them closer.

I still beleive some of the marketing hype on the magnock website is over the top, and some of the claims are dubious......but then, I am a skeptic and don't tend to fully accept a product until I can see a real benefit in using it.

Of course I don't think speed is everything, that's stupid...OK I like a fast bow to account for my often poor distance estimation, but I don't think that this has a negative impact on my accuracy. I'm shooting consistently higher scores with my 290+FPS CyberTec than I did with my 260-FPS AccuTec.

I shoot a two finger CNC stan release, and I promise I've been hit with it before and still use it because I know that it gives me a benefit. So don't even think about suggesting that I can't read instructions or take the time to be sure of things. It took maybe about 6 weeks of solid practice and frustration with my new stan after giving up the trigger to realise the full benefits of doing so....but I stuck with it because I understood why it would be a better system for me.

Am I guilty of waiting until I see a benefit before I try a product? YES. Did I go too far knocking this product on this forum? YES.....and for that I apologise. Did I ever knock this or any other product unfairly on any other forum? NO......and for you magnockman to suggest that marcus and I have ribbed your product....or any other on public forums is insane, we have not done so at all! Any comments I made on another forum were acceptable and civil. So I really don't know what you mean when you say that you have been "dealing with us".

.....so.......In summary, I apologise for my unfair ribbing of the magnock here :cry: but get your remarks into context before you blow off again :-?


:) :wink: :)

Thanks.

Luke Eberbach.

[Magnockman]

One apology deserves another so please accept mine as well.

I have received a few personal emails about this thread and apparently I may have misunderstood some of your intentions and the way you

[OldDog]

Yes we are a cynical mob Chris, but rest assured no one has ever been dissapointed with our hospitality as your two shooters will find out. :D

[Eberbachl]

Thanks Chris,

I can assure you that any of you guys are more than welcome here, as Noel said, we really are a hospitable bunch :)

Cheers :wink:

[field14]

Eberbacl and Marcus, and ALL Aussies,

You betcha! The fantastic hospitality and friendliness of the Australians is world renowned, and that speaks very well for all Aussies.. I've not been to your fine country, but it certainly isn't for not wanting to come there, that's for certain.

I guess I did come down a bit harshly on you all, and for that I apoligize. Again, we are from different countries and I guess neither of us on either side of the Pacific fully understand the "humor" and colloquialisms of the other side.

I'd shoot with any of you at anytime and I know for certain we would have a great time and enjoy it fully. It would be a privilege I certainly wouldn't pass up.

field14

[OldDog]

Well boys another lovers quarrel sorted out so lets get on with the business of creating nonsense and mayhem as fast as we can BTW Luke and Marcus, I have a couple of small surprises waiting for you at the 3d nats, (snicker snicker) :D :D .

[GaryH]

Hey Noel,
I for one agree, gee whiz, got a bit scary there for a moment. :lol: :lol: . Speaking of which, It must be that you're from up North and a lefty.... the boys don't like Snickers, they're into Tim Tam's. :lol: :lol: :P

[OldDog]

I,ll givem bloody scotch fingers without butter if they,re not careful Gary

[Eberbachl]

:P I WANT VIKING BARS :P I WANT VIKING BARS :P I WANT VIKING BARS..........................................

:lol:

[OldDog]

Anything to stop a tantrum Luke, viking bars it is you big sook :D :D

[Marcus]

I,ll givem bloody scotch fingers

No thanks, I've heard where you put your fingers! :P

[Eberbachl]

AAArrrggghhh :o Marcus, you promised not to bring that up!! :lol: :lol:

[2Dogs]

WOW...do I get a prize for the most number of replies on this forum :o

I'm on holidays at the moment and still heard about this thread.

Anyway forget all the CRAP on the last 3 pages and getting back to the MAGNOCK....I've got 12 of them and the new receiver.

They look much better then the prototypes you guys saw earlier. The Pro1 receiver is much improved. Set them up on my Olymtriplians :wink:

Some of you that are coming to the Hervey Bay FITA, I can show you.

As for the rest of you NON believers :lol: I'll give you a report after I've shot them for a while.

Chill out everyone...apologies to those who took my sense of humor/sarcasim the wrong way............and to Adam....well just BITE ME

[OldDog]

He bit Woody on saturday night paul. :oops:

[2Dogs]

Well

here's an update on my Magnock testing.

I've got the Pro1 receiver setup and it is 1000% better then the old prototypes. No blowing up or hitting your arm.

Have only been shooting them indoors so far and some shooting at 50m. I'll post a full report when I've given them a good workout over a few weeks.

My initial thoughts are that this product is very good and no gimmick. I think it will offer something over a normal nock. These things GROUP :o

To answer some questions that a small group of us were discussing at 1:00am at Hervey Bay and upsetting the neighbours....

The nocks I have are older models, the new ones don't have such a flat area on the back and are rounded on the edges.......so concerns of nock damage have been adressed.

As discussed, the nocks to fit the Olympians will most likely be able to have the shaft reduced and fit straight into the arrow shaft. This will eliminate the need for a pin and reduced the cost of setting up the arrows.

The discussion about the fin, need not concern us as the arrow was wind tunnel tested and the vortex in the air behind the vanes doesn't affect the FIN on the nock

They also tested the arrow at 3000rpm to see if the nock upset the balance of the arrow or had any other detrimental affect.......nothing.

So far I'm impressed.........and no I'm not on any magnock shooting staff, or getting bucket loads of nocks for nothing..I offered to buy my nocks because I think they are worth trying out.

Colours....I've asked about more colours being made.

Stay tuned peoples :wink:

[OldDog]

Sounds promising Paul, I should have my sample pack next week, I hope I get the same results as you, BTW nice to see you can talk sense sometimes, Cheers

[Magnockman]

Paul, here is a list of the colors we have--Florescent Green, Black, Clear, and the new Amber. The Amber is awesome!!! In a couple weeks we should have Florescent Yellow too.