UPDATED ABA WEB SITE

[Steve B]

http://www.bowhunters.org.au

a few minor changes to the site , and heaps of other things to be added in the near future.

[Kuru]

cool :) I support any association that updates it's website :)

[Jay Bowden]

It's about time
gave up looking about a year ago.

[Steve B]

Heaps more to be put up yet Jay and a change of pictures is required on a regular basis as well, but it does take time and it WILL happen :D

[Eberbachl]

Who's doing the web stuff Steve B? Is it you?

About time ABA did something about their web site - it was an embarrassment :rofl:

[Steve B]

yep Luke I am having a go it .... and yes it was embarrasing, hence my efforts....

[Eberbachl]

Good for you Steve B - best of luck with your efforts :wink:

It is looking better already :D

Get some new pics there - that will help :D

[Steve B]

you aint kidding are you , old an tired the ones on the site...never mind they will be outta there soon...

[robbo]

Looks a lot fresher. :D

[Bruce]

Well done Steve , Keep up the good work .

It does look much fresher


Bruce

[Steve B]

Thanks guys, I figured if I was gonna give em hell I better put my hand up , well the buggers took my offer, never mind we are getting there and I am sure with all you guys help in the way of comments I shall manage, just don't be to harsh :wink:

[Brad]

Good work Steve. Glad someones doing something about it.

[coach]

just don't be to harsh Hate to be the bearer of bad news Steve but when you took this on you should've known you'll be in for some "harshness" ! Take it all in , good for character building. :rofl:
It's ABA . We're a harsh mob :D

[Steve B]

Ok coach , give it your best shot and I shall try to keep composed :wink:

[freestyler]

Great work Steve. Don't let coach rattle your cage to much :roll:

[Steve B]

Freestyler he can give it his best shot, but me thinks we are both on the same wagon here...... :wink:

BTW good to see you get your fair share of puter time freestyler.

[freestyler]

that would make three of us on that there wagon steve.I only get the pewty when i can pry his fingers off the keyboard. :lol:

[Steve B]

:o Does he catch beer with one hand...


throw two cans at once mate , then grab the keyboard....... 8)

[freestyler]

no he would catch one in his teeth so he could keep typing! :-?

[Steve B]

:lol: I am impressed, but I think you might have just given away the size of his mouth..... :roll:

Coach you know I didnt mean that :P

[freestyler]

:shocked!: ooops

[enseth]

Muchly improved Steve. I would love to see a list of all the clubs though, perhaps with links to those with their own web page.

Do you think you will be able to publish scores of state & Nationals title shoots in the future?

[2Dogs]

Is the Entry form for the National IFAA on the site?...couldn't find it.

[Steve B]

No it isnt mate, you will have to get the entry form outta archery action or maybe even PM Randall he might be able to help ...

[Randall Wellings]

Yeh Paul...join ABA and you get the mag. :o entry form is in it.
BTW...you can get the mag at most newsagents... :roll:

Cheers

[2Dogs]

Ok..got it.

Will rip page outa Archery Action in Newsagent tomorrow :D

[Steve B]

Enseth, in regards to the list of clubs at this stage no I can't, and I dont even have a list of some of them, but the option is to call the branch controller and they will be able to assist. Would love to have a list of all the clubs but as you can imagine a large task , but I shall work on that one :wink:

I know I shant be able to publish scores from state or National events. I have been told not to do that, however I am hoping to have that relaxed for the WFAC 2006 :o ( yep I know we all want to see those scores from the Branch and National events) as I think overseas followers of IFAA will only have the site to gather the scores from.

Keep the requests coming though as I am sure that some of the National people do read this as well as the Branch controllers and if the ground swell is enough then I am sure that things will happen.

[Eberbachl]

I'm interested to hear why they've asked you not to post scores from state and national events on the site Steve B?

[Steve B]

Like most associations, money is an issue to fund the required "things" that need to happen to run them. The thoughts were that if the scores from these events were posted on the web site then sales of the one major money maker "Archery Action" , might be affected.

I have no issue issue with this at this stage with so much development that needs to be done ie: WFAC 06 and Trophy Bowhunters Association, plus the ability to make the site more dynamic so people come back and look at it often (hopefully).

But rest assured in the future I shall be lobbying for National events to be on the web site as a minimum. These are just my thoughts and may come to fruition if sufficient action is taken by members to push it up throught the Branch contollers to National.

But I think I should leave it at that Luke.

Hope that answers your question suitably :D

[coach]

Sorry Steve but here it comes , **** like this is what REALLY p#$ses me off about ABA .For a start who really buys that pathetic excuse of a magazine? The only people who read it are the ABA members who get it anyway when they join! How long did it take them to print the results for 2003 State Titles? F#$%ing MONTHS thats how long ! I cant see any legit reason why not to post results. Looks to me like ABA are scared of change again, lets stay in the dark-ages!

One P##sed Off ABA Member
Jeff Pollard
:fist:

[Eberbachl]

OK Cool Steve B,

I would be good if state and national results were published online. And personally I hardly think sales of Archery Action could be affected.

...but hey, that's how it goes :wink:

Good luck,

Luke.

[enseth]

I agree with Luke & Jeff. I too doubt magazine sales would be affected by the publishing of scores. The majority of people who would be interested in that info are existing members and they already get the magazine with their membership. I'm sure very few non-members who buy the magazine couldn't give a rats what I or anyone else scored at any goddam shoot. Most would be buying it for the fascinating articles and other riveting information.

As to a list of clubs, this info is printed on the back of our insurance certificate, which something that all clubs have, so getting this info for the web site should be a piece of cake. I know when I first got interested in archery I had quite a bit of trouble finding out where clubs were. Your improved web site will certainly help but having the clubs listed should be easy enough to add. We don't want people to think where some sort of secret society

[Steve B]

Enseth and Coach, I have no problems at all with your comments , and I certainly agree with what you say , just remember that any large organisation run on mainly volunteer workers does take time to change.

I also think that you guys could put a very good case at your next branch meeting through your ABA rep, to have these things pushed up to National for consideration, as has been said by many, for change to occur we the members need to make it happen through the channels, so guys go get em, get your ABA rep working, after all that is his/her role at the Branch meetings , to put forward those things that "his/her" club want looked at and pushed up to National.

I might add that I am a very firm believer in better to have to much information than not enough, so you can guess from that, I have many things I will eventually get on the site, but your help will make it quicker and a lot easier 8)

[Robert43]

I would like to have reduced fees for ABA and NOT recive archery action Robert

[coach]

If you NEVER recieved the mag you would never see how well i shot .LOL . Even if it was 6 months late . :lol:

[Robert43]

Soory I dont read it

[coach]

I also think that you guys could put a very good case at your next branch meeting through your ABA rep, to have these things pushed up to National for consideration, as has been said by many, for change to occur we the members need to make it happen through the channels, so guys go get em, get your ABA rep working, after all that is his/her role at the Branch meetings , to put forward those things that "his/her" club want looked at and pushed up to National.

Will be doing that steve but as you have said it is hard . Just look at all the restrictions you have faced. Don't hold much hope! But will try !
Isn't it silly we all want change but "our " association doesn't listen to us? :D

[enseth]

also think that you guys could put a very good case at your next branch meeting through your ABA rep, to have these things pushed up to National for consideration, as has been said by many, for change to occur we the members need to make it happen through the channels, so guys go get em, get your ABA rep working, after all that is his/her role at the Branch meetings , to put forward those things that "his/her" club want looked at and pushed up to National.

Steve, our branch put forward a motion at the last National exec meeting that the ABA web site be overhauled. The motion was accepted and it seems that you were the guy who took on the task, and too your credit, you have done a great job.

Apart from a request for a general upgrade, the motion mentioned specifics. These included:

[Steve B]

Thanks for the info there Enseth, but you should be aware that I put my hand for the job back in late October last year, the reason it took a while to get happening was I had to show the National body that I was capable of doing the job first. Smart move on their behalf I think, so I put a page on a mates server for them to have a look at whilst all were at the AGM. It has developed to what you see now over time.

To answer your question on the list of clubs and localities, my understanding is that it is underway and is going to be in printed format, yes it is a tad slow coming and I personally think it would be better on the web site, much easier to update and keep current rather the a booklet.

More information on the ABA format, I have managed to have a brief of all the games played under the section of "Field Archery", discussed it with national and managed to get what is on the site included, what are the specifics you wanted ?

Score updates are something that I would like to have included on the site, ie: all Branch or state title shoots and all national shoots as well, I think that will eventually happen as I personally think it is something we should provide for all members , I think the use of Archery Action is good for a full round up of the events and especially the pictures as well, but I think the scores would be nice on the web site.

You seem to have answered your own question on the rule book thing :wink:

You need to remember that the answers I have given in all the posts here are my own thoughts based on the discussions with the relevant national people and may in some cases be slightly wrong , but I do think I have answered as best I can with the knowledge I have.

Would love the suggestions to keep coming though as my thoughts are the web site is for all members of the ABA and those that have not even joined yet :D I remember when I was looking at joining the Association I could find nothing on the old web, so I am very keen to make sure this is done as right as I can.

[freestyler]

hey steve.
For all of us to keep pushing is a great idea!BUT we must be careful not to push so hard that they dig their heels in and nothing gets changed.Sometimes gentle persistant pushing is better than one allmighty shove IMHO. :o

[Bruce]

I think you hit the nail on the head Freestyler , I have been to the last three National AGM's and I can see changes happening .

The main problem is that ABA is very set in its ways and has been doing a good job looking after it self in the past , however the world we live in is changing and a more modern approach is required , I can see it happening , but it is a big boat to turn around , not a nippy little Jetske :D

Coach , there was a discussion along the lines you mentioned regarding the website , and I think you will see the changes implemented . Remember , branches that wish to submit items to the AGM need to get them in nice and early , Few things going up from Vic this year .

The main thing to remember is a change must benifit everybody , not just your club , your Branch , your state but all ABA members all over Australia

[enseth]

The scores for the Nationals didn't make it into the latest issue of Action Archery. I can only guess there is due to some technical reason regarding printing, although I find this hard to fathom.

The upshot is that now they wont be published until the Sept-Oct issue, five months after the shoot!!

Surely this alone is justification enough to publish the score on the ABA web site.

[coach]

Damn straight Enseth ! Just like the State Title results it took 6 months to get the results! But the Bowhunting Awards from the Nats were published as well as the Axe and Knife Throwing and the Craft Exhibition Results . 2004 in the latest ed. Where were the ABA results? I must remember to make a rawhide quilt next year to get a mention . Can't post shoot results but can post CRAFT RESULTS! :shocked!: This is ridiculous!

[Robert43]

Look forward to seeing your handy work Coach LOL
Robert

[Bruce]

I think you are being a bit unfair , most of the report from the bowhunting awards can be written before hand , and just the final few comments added after the event , If you look in archery action you will see that deadlines exhist for submission of articles ,maybe the scores for the shoots have missed the dead line .

When did you submit the article relating to the state titles , may be you missed the dead line for the next magazine and it was held over for a later edition ,


I still support the results being posted onthe website
and think that you will find that it will happen in the future , I would also like to see courses graded so as you get an idea how tough a course is to get a better idea of the scores


Bruce

[enseth]

I would also like to see courses graded so as you get an idea how tough a course is to get a better idea of the scores


That's a great idea Bruce. You could extend that to giving a grade for all club courses.

I would like to volunteer to shoot all the courses and give them a grading!

[BBS]

Along with a club listing should be a map of how to get there.

National and state records for IFAA and ABA would be good also.

Game records along with trophy class and record class point minimum.

[Steve B]

BBS, Game records along with trophy class and record class point minimum is in the process of happening, just waiting on a few more things from the exec on this.

The records for IFAA , I would guess is from the Australian point of view? As we do have the world records held by Association members all ready on the site. There has been some discussion on the inclusion of ABA National and State records , the hard part from an ABA record perspective is that the courses are all different and the view has been that as the courses are all so vairied then it is hard to put records to them, maybe a thought to include all courses but boy thats heaps of work :o The other alternative is that courses be graded in the form of a difficulty factor so some form of consistency can be applied.

Club listings are coming out in a booklet form in the near future (I have been told) but like you BBS I think it would be good have all ABA clubs listed with a postal address, email address and a small map that shows how to get there, but that is once again a national decision and will take time to address.

Keep the thoughts coming as they are all good stuff and worth trying for.

[coach]

Club listings are coming out in a booklet form in the near future (I have been told) Is this going to cost us as well ( to buy it)? If not why not just put it on the site ? Got to be cheaper than printing a booklet! :o

[Marcus]

Club listings are coming out in a booklet form in the near future (I have been told) Is this going to cost us as well ( to buy it)? If not why not just put it on the site ? Got to be cheaper than printing a booklet! :o
"Hello, I'm Mr Potential Member, I would like to find my local club. I visit ABA's website and must get a listing snail mailed to me. I think I'll join 3DAAA instead, their clubs are listed online"
:roll:

[Steve B]

I am actually sending an email to the Rob Hines at the moment about a number of things that I would like to considered by the exec at their meeting coach, I can only but ask. I am not sure if it would cost or not, I only know that it was in the "mill" so to speak :)

[Steve B]

Don't be to harsh Marcus the option is to either email or phone the Branch controller nearest your loacation for the information (that info is available on the website), which means you dont need to wait for the booklet. But I am attemting to have that listing on line as I agree that all Mr Potential members should be able to look if there is a club near them and it also allows current members to find clubs to shoot if they are touring around.

My opinion is the more info the better, but hey we are getting there :angel:

[Marcus]

Don't be to harsh Marcus the option is to either email or phone the Branch controller nearest your loacation for the information (that info is available on the website), which means you dont need to wait for the booklet. But I am attemting to have that listing on line as I agree that all Mr Potential members should be able to look if there is a club near them and it also allows current members to find clubs to shoot if they are touring around.

My opinion is the more info the better, but hey we are getting there :angel:Not harsh Steve. When I was 11 I tried to get into archery but found the ringing around painful. In the end I gave up. If we had internet then and all the info was online I would have started at that age.
ABA needs to make life easier for their potential members, not difficult.

Still, keep up the good work Steve!

[coach]

Keep going steve you ARE making a difference and that can only be good considering how stagnant ABA are! GO HARD SON :D

[Barry]

Steve,

Second what coach has to say. I can re-iterate that most new potential archers do thier research online. I know I certainly have and continue to do so.

Internet is just such an effiecient means of distributing infromation.

[Brumbies Country]

I'm a bit late coming in on this one. I recently joined ABA after having been a member quite a few years ago. I received a Constitution but no Rule Book. My principle reason for rejoining was that I want to shoot IFAA again. On the IFAA website I can quickly access the rules and know exactly what the go is. Bruce confirmed that there is now an ABA limited bowhunter class but I would have liked to readily access the specifications for that and other ABA rules. I appreciate that the rule book is a revenue raiser but at a price of $4.00, I wonder. I think a website accessable rule book is essential.

On the positive side I shot with an ABA club Sunday, one and a half hours from my place. They endendered everything that is good about ABA and I promptly joined.

Simon

[Eberbachl]

Hmmm -

"we will take your money when you join, but if you want to know the rules of the game, that will cost you another $4.00"

:rofl:

What a rip-off ABA

:rofl:

[Marcus]

And after paying that $4 it's still up to the field captain on the day if you can play or not. :roll:

[Flame]

:D

[Eberbachl]

Hmmm -

"we will take your money when you join, but if you want to know the rules of the game, that will cost you another $4.00"

:rofl:

What a rip-off ABA

:rofl:

It would seem that my point above requires some clarification.

Let's see.... consider the following scenario:

You join ABA, you're new to archery. You pay you membership and get ready for the first big shoot. You rock along to the shoot, and make a few mistakes. Break a couple of the rules, and get DQ'ed

"Rules?" You say...

That's right. The association you have joined provides a good game to play, and expects it's members to understand and abide by the rules.

"So, how do I get the rules?" you say....

You have to buy them is the answer.

ABA will not make the rules available for public viewing on it's website because it says that the sale of rule books is a cash generator and it does not want to reduce sales.

So, after paying your membership - you are forced to pay more to be able to play the association's game fairly.

Is this a rip-off?

IMHO yes it is.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that an association does not have the right to offer extras for sale to it's members. That's fine.

But, make the rules available to those who want to read them for free (like every other association does) in an easily accessible public place such as the internet.

...and if you must - offer the printed rule book at a small cost to cover the cost of printing.

The point is that it's only fair and reasonable to make the association's rules freely accessible to it's members. :wink:

:bday: :angel: :bday:

[coach]

Hey Eberbachl ,F#$k the rules ,they dont enforce them anyway, as I,ve posted before! :rofl:

[Eberbachl]

You're all class coach :rofl:

[coach]

Cant handle the Truth? Just saying it like it is! :wink:

[Steve B]

Go for it guys.... LOL...but seriously that is another issue being addressed( rules of the game) but we will see what happens. I am plodding along and making slow head way but hey really fellas , when you are dealing with a National Association, cant you understand that there are rules to be abided by ?

I am happy to do this and make slow head way rather than none, and lets be honest , I have yet to post the top 10 species of each measurable game and other things are starting to happen as well, better than what we had and we will all get there.....

So whats the hastle ? You bloody lot are so impatient :rofl:

[Eberbachl]

Nah - you're doing a great job Steve, and I don't envy what you've got to go through to get the job done. :wink:

Keep it up :D

[coach]

Ditto ,what Eber said Steve! :D

[freestyler]

you are doing a great job Steve.I for one appreciate all your hard work !!!! :o

[Steve B]

The vote of confidence is appreciated very much guys and Gal, but I do enjoy the challenge of trying making it happen :wink:

[Robert43]

Keep up the good work Steve

[Steve B]

Should have the top 10 species except goat (having trouble getting them) in the next few days as well as some extra stuff in the branch area, info on the branch positions, clubs and location and shoot calender. Should have Sth Queensland, Gippsland and Greater Vic, have to get a hold of the relevant branch controllers for the rest yet. But as you can see more happening.

[robbo]

Sounds good Steve. :D

[Bruce]

Steve has just updated the natioanl web page and it now includes some lists of the top ten animals claimed for each species very informative

[Kuru]

Great work as usual Steve :D

[Steve B]

Thanks for the support , I do appreciate it very much, more to happen as we go along though. Next task is the info for WFAC 06 ......

[coach]

Just had another look at the site, and in 5 months not much has happened !

Maybe you are flogging a dead horse Steve? I don't know what it costs to run a website but surely it is enough to warrant updates and stop it from becoming stale as has this one become. :o

[Steve B]

Understand your comment Coach, but the Archery Action Page is changed prior to the new issue being released and also the bulletin board is updated normally once a month because of info that all members need to be aware of. The other things that will change is the sites of the Branches when I get the relevant info (these are links that are under the branch badges in the Branch contacts)...and updates on the measured species as they are required. Slowly slowly catchie monkey here Coach, I am happy with the progress and I am told good things come to those who wait :wink:

[:soffa KING is Good 2]

tried to log on

is this www. still on the web or has it closed down

[Bruce]

Soffa , I just went on , All is ok

Bruce

[:soffa KING is Good 2]

can you please past the url again cant access from the page 1 www.

ta

[Bruce]

Here is the url

http://www.bowhunters.org.au/



Bruce

[:soffa KING is Good 2]

thank you this one works