BT/Trigger differences

[Flehrad]

I've recently been shooting with a Zenith 3 finger BT and also with my 4 finger thumb trigger release.

On the same day, using both releases, it would appear that they group differently on the left/right direction but on the same elevation.

I've attempted to keep my grip position the same to eliminate it's effects, and I was wondering if this difference is showing that I'm either punching the release (on both?) or would this be an effect of the BT being to coarse as I am probably over-rotating my draw arm around to set off the release?

I'm not even sure if I'm making sense....

[Marcus]

Do you us a Dloop?
During a Perth round a month or so ago at 60m I shot in the same end:
Back Tension: 10 10 10
Trigger: 10 9 10

Can swap between the 2 and not change my impact point. Can even change between 2 different back tensions.

However Peter King can not swap between the 2 without changing his impact point (and that dude can shoot!)

So I suspect it is in your loop configeration, however only YOU can tell us if you are punching the trigger. ;)

[Flehrad]

Well, I'm very sure that I'm not punching the BT as it still scares the crap out of me and apparently my facial expression when it goes off is very funny......

As for the normal release, I'm sure that if I am punching, it isn't a very hard wrenching punch because I grip very deep and my hand doesn't move much at all in the action....

And yes, I do use a d-loop...

[Robert43]

I have the same problem when I go from trigger to bt or the other way

[Ozzy]

Thank god :roll:
Thought it was just me ! :-?
I shoot a Cascade "relax" Release & it impacts way left of my Carter Choc. Addiction but the same elevation :o
Thought it may have been my "punching" the Carter :roll: :oops:

[Peter King]

Ozzy wrote:
I shoot a Cascade "relax" Release & it impacts way left of my Carter Choc. Addiction but the same elevation


I have seen that effect at our club with Cascade users and video-ed the releases. The Cascade "relax" release is more of a conscious release and the bow arm acts accordingly at times, ie it "steers"/collapses and the shot goes left. If you can shoot the Chocolate Addiction as a "surprise" release (tuck the trigger into the thumb webbing and reduce any conscious feeling) that release is closer to the ideal (the bow moves forward and then down) and may impact right of the Cascade if that is where you are pointing at the time.

Does it feel different??

[Ozzy]

Ozzy wrote:
I shoot a Cascade "relax" Release & it impacts way left of my Carter Choc. Addiction but the same elevation


I have seen that effect at our club with Cascade users and video-ed the releases. The Cascade "relax" release is more of a conscious release and the bow arm acts accordingly at times, ie it "steers"/collapses and the shot goes left. If you can shoot the Chocolate Addiction as a "surprise" release (tuck the trigger into the thumb webbing and reduce any conscious feeling) that release is closer to the ideal (the bow moves forward and then down) and may impact right of the Cascade if that is where you are pointing at the time.

Does it feel different??

Yes Peter, it certainly does feels different :o
A "good" shot is a far better shot with the Choc A , but I seem to be able to focus better with the Cascade. :-?
I know cascade's have been given a real walloping on this Forum, but I find they assist with Target panic.
I remember Jim posting once that anything new or different will obviously not feel as comfortable .
How true - even if the "new" thing will benefit long term :wink:
I intend to give the Choc A more of a go for this reason :o

[NOCK HUNTER]

Ozzy,

It takes more than 20xdays to form a habit, that is why you would feel
more comfortable with the Cascade.

IMO, if you give the Choc A or any other release aid more time, you will
feel comfortable with that too.

And as you said, probably with more benefit in the end :D

I personally think the Cascade send people down the wrong path (imo)

Good luck........you'll get there :D

[Dave Shannon]

Flehrad, I use a Tru-ball Truetension b/t release aid as well as a Tru-ball Chappy Boss. When i switch from the b/t release to the Chappy i find that my shots stray slightly to the right but at the same elevation. i put this down to the slight difference in shapes of the release aids and how they sit in the hand at anchor. In one of the PSE videos i have got it shows Terry Ragsdale using a variety of different r/aids and the differing groups that resulted.
Nockhunter, i agree with you on the cascade release aid. It was the first release aid i ever bought and after about 2 years i suffered really badly from target panic. After buying the Chappyboss and plenty of practice my shooting has become reasonably consistant and even moreso now that i use a b/t release.

[Marcus]

Ozzy,

It takes more than 20xdays to form a habit, that is why you would feel
more comfortable with the Cascade.

IMO, if you give the Choc A or any other release aid more time, you will
feel comfortable with that too.

And as you said, probably with more benefit in the end :D

I personally think the Cascade send people down the wrong path (imo)

Good luck........you'll get there :D
Agree 100% with Nock Hunter.
The Cascades are a danger release in my book, I see more people have problems with their form thanks to these releases than those who don't.
Also if you want to learn to shoot a release you MUST move to it 100%. Leave the others at home and dedicate yourself to one for 6 months or more.
Archery is not a skill that can be mastered fast.

[Peter King]

Dave Shannon wrote:

Flehrad, I use a Tru-ball Truetension b/t release aid as well as a Tru-ball Chappy Boss. When i switch from the b/t release to the Chappy i find that my shots stray slightly to the right but at the same elevation. i put this down to the slight difference in shapes of the release aids and how they sit in the hand at anchor. In one of the PSE videos i have got it shows Terry Ragsdale using a variety of different r/aids and the differing groups that resulted.


I think you are on the mark. Randy Ulner's video also shows him anchoring differently with different release aids, and perhaps that's how some folk compensate. I put it down to the different position of the release aid head and hook, and their proportions (some time ago I posted this topic under "Release aid compatibility").
I don't have a problem if release aids are same shape and dimensions.

[Ozzy]

My apologies for not letting the "Cascade" relax Release Aid topic go, but -
I agree , I have not experienced that ideal "explosive" release myself or seen anyone using one with it either, but if they are capable of getting someone over a "rough patch" or assisting in releiving shocking "TP" (like myself) then that is the "place' they have in archery :o
Oddly enough, there are some really outstanding archers shooting some top scores using them :wink: