Another one for the judges

[James Park]

You are sitting on 1405, with one arrow left to shoot at 30M, and a strong likelihood that you will shoot yet another 10 and break the World Record.
You aim very carefully and shoot the shot perfectly - another X for certain and instant fame. You will also end up with 360 with 32 X's at 30M and get that World Record as well.
However: just as you shoot a large seagull flies past, you score a direct hit, and both mortally wounded bird and arrow fall to the ground (outside the 3M line).
Rightfully, you feel greatly pissed off and ask the judge to annul the shot and let you have another 40 seconds to re-shoot the arrow. The seagull doesn't complain, but just lies there expiring.
What should the judge do?

[DrRalph]

Score a miss and allow an apeal to the jury, then indicate to the organising committee that they need to keep their trained kamakazi seagulls under control.

The FITA rules only allow a reshoot if the arrow falls within the 3m line or the target blows over. I assume wildlife is an environmental hazard that presumably all the archers have to contend with equally and the organising committee have to deal with. Poor seagull.

On the bright side you still get your 1400 badge :)

[Guy]

Has this got anything to do with the Swallow that was stuck inside at the State Indoor last weekend?

[Eberbachl]

Was it an African or European Swallow?

:D

[grantwomack]

Was it an African or European Swallow?

:D
I don't know!






AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rodger]

Was it holding a coconut?? :D :P

Maybe you could train birds to blow targets over, so you can re-shoot ends at will...

Rodg

[Eberbachl]

I'd say two swallows could grip the target with their feet :D

[Zoe]

It's not a question of where they grip it Luke, it's a simple question of weight ratios. Two five ounce birds could not push over a sixty pound target butt :roll:

[katzgrin]

It's not a question of where they grip it Luke, it's a simple question of weight ratios. Two five ounce birds could not push over a sixty pound target butt :roll:

Don't you subscribe to the chaos theory? Think of all those worldwide weather changes created by some thoughtless butterfly in the jungles of Brazil.

[Mark]

Unless its an African swallow - but of course that only applies to shoots in Africa 'cause they're non-migratory

:D

Mark

[Eberbachl]

:rofl:

[Rodger]

Apparently, just taking the face off is enough to re-shoot an end. I think both African and European could manage that... This method also has the added benifit of not costing $50-$200 in arrows just to re-shoot an end... :D

Because of the lack of african or european swallows here on Oz, do you think Magpies could be trained to be 'Target-Rippers'?

Rodg

[CMB50]

Unless its an African swallow -

Mark

pfft! ... I've never seen an African swallow yet :roll:...........

















... :rofl:

sorry, couldn't help myself

[Flame]

:o

[Eberbachl]

:rofl: :shocked!:

[Zoe]

Yikes, hope you enjoyed your brief stay as co-administrator Cam.

[Marcus]

:rofl:


Back to the question at hand
No you don't allow it, arrow has been shot and that's what the rules dictate.
Not fair, but consider it an act of god.

[CMB50]

yes, the question at hand....what was it??


I suspect it would be considered the height of bad luck and another arrow not allowed. Therefore you take the remaining arrows in your quiver, one by one, and put them into the bloody bird making sure it very dead!

[Eberbachl]

I'd say you should have been shooting nice heavy X10's Jim.

The resulting momentum from your nice heavy X10 would see it pass cleanly through the Seagull in question.

The Seagull would drop to the ground, whilst your arrow would continue it's flight directly to the X.

Then you can claim your world records! :D

[mike]

whilst your arrow would continue it's flight directly to the X.

Then you can claim your world records! :D

Maybe a low 10, would have to lose a little speed going through said bird.

Make a great world record photo though - blood dripping from the arrow that sealed the record!

[doug timbs]

James,
Interesting scenario, and familiar as well. When I did the judges course in pistol shooting we were given a very similar problem to sort out, only it happened to be a magpie. This has actually happened a couple of times.
As this would be un-foreseeable, and beyond the control of both the competetor and the officials, and would not allow the competetor an equal and unhindered opportunity to compete. I would have to allow a re-shoot.
In saying that, I am pretty new to archery and I have never seen a rule book, but I find most rules are written to ensure everyone is allowed to compete on an equal and level playing feild.
If anyone knows, I would like to know the correct ruling
Doug

[Flehrad]

It'd be even more interesting if the arrow still had the bird on it and both the arrow and bird made it to the target......
Then the other competitors can have gull's blood too on their arrows :lol:

[Zoe]

It'd be even more interesting if the arrow still had the bird on it and both the arrow and bird made it to the target......

They must have a similar conundrum in golf on their Par 2's. Do you score a birdie or a hole in one?


(right, that's really bad, I'm going to bed :roll: )

[grantwomack]

James,
Interesting scenario, and familiar as well. When I did the judges course in pistol shooting we were given a very similar problem to sort out, only it happened to be a magpie. This has actually happened a couple of times.
How do you determine scoring in pistol shooting? As in, how do you know where each bullet hits or do you have separate targets for each bullet? Since a bullet normally doesn't stick out of the target like an arrow would...
And did the bullets that hit birds actually make it to the target?

[Oldtimer]

At a Devonport Nationals (1980 ???), when there was only one Nationals with all age groups competing, one young lad did hit a seagull with one of his arrows. I don't think he was allowed to re-shoot, but I could be wrong. He was naturally a little upset about killing the bird.

[doug timbs]

Grant,
You score the target according to the location of the bullet holes. If the hole touches or breaks the line sepperating the scoring zones, the shot will score the higher value. I think this is the same in archery. Every person uses a sepperate target and in some air pistol matches only one shot is fired on each target.
I have never heard of a bullet passing through a bird and still hitting the target, but if it did and the competitor wanted a re-shoot, the target would be scored and the highest scoring shot would be disregarded and another shot fired.
Doug

[katzgrin]

No you don't allow it, arrow has been shot and that's what the rules dictate.
Not fair, but consider it an act of god.

.......and she ain't fair!