Recurve Kit suggestions?

[Flehrad]

Hiya All,

I'm expecting a nice tax return this year, and I have decided to get a recurve, finally.

I'd like to spend ~$1300 max on a kit.

Originally, I was going to get a new riser and some cheap wood/glass limbs. Then along with this, to get stabilizers, assories and alum arrows until I save some more money, then get some better limbs and better arrows.

However, after some discussion with ToxicRabbit from our club, I've begun to reconsider things.

I've got some 400 Triples that were going to go to my compound, but I can easily adapt them for recurve as I would like to shoot around the 40lb+ range. I'm currently shooting 41lb on a club bow with some borrowed ACE's so the weight isn't too much of an issue.

What should I be looking at?

New? Used?
Hoyt? Win&Win? PSE?

(My original idea was a new PSE X-Factor riser and Win&Win Sidewinder/Challenger limbs, new button, rest, and second hand sights and stabilizers and platinum plus arrows.)

Any suggestions?

[Marcus]

Yep that's a nice combo. I'ld also consider the Matrix riser as well, but the X-Factor is very nice in it's new colours. Clash has one and can tell you more about it.
The Challenger Craft limbs are good if you expect to go up in weight soon.

[Malko]

Hi Flehrad,

I just asked myself the same question in the topic called "what riser".
finally send a order for a Hoyt Matrix with Vector limbs.
I already have the sight, stabs and the rest though.

see more in this topic http://www.archery-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=87495

[DanceswithDingoes]

Samick Masters Riser and Limbs will leave enough for a nice sight or some arrows 8)

[ec]

can't go wrong with a shibuya button for value for your $$$.

400 would still be too stiff for 40lbs. i think 600 would be closer? could be wrong - buy a few and test.

i hold 40lbs on the fingers 28 1/4" arrows, 90 point weight foc around 14% and use 700's.

[grantwomack]

I just got a Cartel Triple plunger if you are looking for something cheap but quite nice. They have a very easy movement and adjustment and comparable to the Shibuya I used to have, which is more expensive.

Samick Masters Riser and Limbs will leave enough for a nice sight or some arrows
The Samick masters limbs are nice and VERY fast limbs, not to mention stable and strong. But there have been a few cases of them snappnig and if you want to up the poundage in the near future, I'd recommend something a little cheaper for the first pair, maybe move to the Masters later on.

[Flehrad]

I am currently using 38lb winact carbon limbs and am shooting at 41lb.

Aarleks is using 42lb limbs (I think) and shooting around 44lb? and he's getting good results using the triple 400's, but since I've got them, I might as well give them a try anyway.

I'd like to get a cheap pair to start, as I would like to end up buying around the 44lb or maybe 46lb mark, thus end up shooting perhaps 48lb.

I was told by someone 38lb was a little high for me to start shooting recurve again on, but after 1 session and shooting 41lb, I was putting in 48 to 52 ends at 30m on the 80cm face for about 3 hours.

Sure, I was sore the next day, but I was feeling pretty good during the shoot.

[Aarleks]

Yep, 42# marked, and coming through the clicker measuring 45#@29". The 400s are probably just a little stiff for me. However, 500 bareshafts missed the spot faces to the right at 18m, so I went for 400s. I reckon 46-47# would be spot on (for me).

Hmmm.... That reminds me. I said I would wind the poundage up after the EUCs..... :)

[A&O]

problem with triples 500 isthat they are almost always soft..
shot 46# with them 500s and were soft..even 400s were soft..

i feel cartel plungers are no way close to the smoothness of shibuya or beiter, therefore their higher price.
but that's me. :D

[Flehrad]

I just completed my tax return and it'll be in the post tomorrow.
Yipee :P

Stupid e-tax didn't work for me.....
Kept giving me stupid lump sum errors...
Said I needed a non 0 dollar amount.
Except I have a 0 dollar amount at A and B.... so what does it do? Gives me the same error when I don't have anything there.

[StevenB]

stick with the 400s they should be bang on, I had them coming out of my eolla almost perfect.(31" DL 41lbs)

[nick]

the 400's are very much like a 470 ace and the 300's are close to the 400 ace.

[A&O]

agreed :D

[Marcus]

the 400's are very much like a 470 ace and the 300's are close to the 400 ace.yep that's about right

[Flehrad]

I'm currently using Toxic Rabbit's 570 ACE's at 29inch...

[nick]

cos i shoot 370 ace's (recurve) or 380 x10's. i got a set of 400 cartels (doosung) olympians -now called triples. what a shock! they almost came out sideways and were massively underspined. my tip is to get a very stiff tune out with the triples. Ie. if you shoot 430's get 300's, 470's=400's
and (guessing) 520's or570's=500.
but for christs sake err on the side of overspined triples. they are a light arrow and you can always soften them with point weight, a pooftenth on the tiller or a faster string.
ciao, nicko.
:wink:

[Marcus]

I think there was a thread on here a while ago and thee was one on SagBB that discussed this. Testing showed that the 300 was a 410 spine. I'm shooting 300's from my setup and they group far better than 500's or 400's did.

[recurve boy]

I just got a Cartel Triple plunger if you are looking for something cheap but quite nice. They have a very easy movement and adjustment and comparable to the Shibuya I used to have, which is more expensive.

I was very surprised by the build quality for a $11 plunger.

[DanceswithDingoes]

the $25 beiter copy is even better value :)

[shooting_star]

im getting a $150 beiter plunger, does n e one kno if it is good???

[DanceswithDingoes]

It is the best....but is it $120 better than the copy? IMHO no :o

[Leighton]

Which one is the $25 beiter copy? The cavalier?

[Flehrad]

heck no, the Cartel button :wink:

[grantwomack]

Urban Archery also sell the ELI plunger which is more of a Beiter copy than the Cartel one. Not sure what it is like though and Marcus said he wasn't sure either. I was thinking about getting one but couldn't justify spending that much on a spare plunger...

[jamie]

what's the diff between the cartel click pressure button and the cartel triple cushion pressure button other than price?

[grantwomack]

The Cartel click pressure button changes the spring tension by twisting the back end of the button a click at a time. The Triple button uses a hex-head grub screw to do it. The click buttons make it easier to get back to the same tension if you take the button apart but once you have either one set for a tuned bow, there isn't a lot of difference.

[jamie]

thanks :wink:

[ec]

the only concern i have with the copies is that even once you insert the beiter parts - spring, button etc - how good is the barrel they are moving in?? you might get a good one but there is no guarantee.

[Flehrad]

why would you want to go and spend more money on beiter parts to place in the copy barrell?......

I thought the whole point was that it's such a nice copy for the price, you wouldn't go around spending all that extra for overpriced teflon and plastic?

[ec]

it's a suggestion that i often hear a few people consistently talk about when they discuss buying buttons. it bugs the hell out of me.
for the price, well i still think the little extra for the shibuya is the best call and you cant compare a beiter and cartel copy on performance - it's form only in that department..

[nick]

the beiter button is worth every cent, super smooth. conversely it may be $110 that would be better spent on beer.
a shibuya, cartel, or cavelier button will still do the job just fine and provided you treat them like genetalia -often difficult after much beer.

a smoother button will show itself off when spring tension is higher, which is often the case when tuning it to straighten up triples that perform slightly stiff 'au natural'*

*prior to softening them with heavier points, faster strings, tiller weight buggerising and the like.

personally i'd go the beiter, give the cat another goldfish.

[Flehrad]

I've just been to a store, and they have a pair of KAP Challenger craft limbs on special (mis-order).

They are 68" 42# limbs for $150.

I've heard a few bad raps about the 42# specifically with them breaking etc...

Should I take the risk?

And at a 29" draw, should I get 68" or 70" limbs?

[DanceswithDingoes]

Thats about retail I think (check Marcus' site) at 29" you'll be getting nearly 45# from that recurve, how are the muscles? :)

[Flehrad]

Marcus I think has them at $210....

Well, currently at 41.5lb, they are doing ok for an afternoon, probably shooting around 25 ends of 6 in a session...... 3 hour session.
So, up to 45lb will definitely be pushing my muscles for a few weeks.