Easton ACE vs X10

[Milkovitsch]

Hi,

Could anyone please point out the differences to me between these two arrows? Let's leave price out of it, I am not trying to discuss whether they are worth the cost or not.

Are they both good for target - which is better? I'm told the X10 are really designed for 70m only (olympics). I shoot compound, I notice many other compounders use X10 for FITAS, which of course include other distances.

And what about the tungsten points for the X10. What's the benefit?

Ta.

[grantwomack]

There have been a few threads on this topic already but I'll sum them up, if you like.
ACE's are a little thicker than X10's but lighter in grains per inch. So they are going to be more affected by the wind than X10's. They both work very well for target shooting but remember that they were both designed originally with recurve shooting in mind. That said, most compound shooters using these are quite happy with the results and some very good scores have been shot with each.
X10's will obviously be a better arrow since they drift in the wind less. But yes, I've also heard they were solely designed for 70m matchplay shooting and I know someone who only ever uses his set for that purpose.
WRT points, the X10 SS points are quite long and so using a heavier weight doesn't seem to soften the spine as much as in other arrows because the shank of the point stiffens the arrow due to its length. I don't know if this is the same with ACE's. I would imagine it still happens but to a lesser extent. So in that sense, the tungsten points are good if you want a heavy point. They alter the spine more than SS points. But as far as I can tell, tungsten points are quite overpriced and aren't really worth the money.

[Juggs]

ine thing to consider is you really need to shoot around 60 pounds and have a lonish draw 28+ to get the most benefit out of them.

for example 550s at my draw you have about 2 inchs hanging out the front to make em spine

[nick]

x's are also more durable, having a thicker wall, (where the weight comes from). the lesser overall diameter also reduces the incident of collision at 50 and 30. but really nail one and its still, well, ...nailed.

[grantwomack]

X10's also get the better sort of nocks. Beiter In/Out nocks for X10's that have a solid bit of plastic that goes into the flask. Really helps prevent Robin Hoods. The ACE ones are apparently still nice but are hollow where they go into the shaft so aren't as good at preventing RH's.

[The One]

Hmmm...Still never quite worked out how you can make an arrow for one distance, and one distance only..... :-?

[grantwomack]

You could make the thing so damn heavy it wouldn't fly past 30m - that would work! :)

[Milkovitsch]

Thanks Grant & others, I appreciate your advice.

That said, which would be considered the best arrows for a compounder? As you said these arrows have been designed for recurvers primarily; as there are many compounders out there is there such an arrow designed for them, to get the most out of a compound?

[Marcus]

The whole "designed for recurve at 70m" stuff is very funny. Some people take that as saying "Only works at 70m with a recurve" when that is not the case.
Jim Park has done alot of writing on the X10 and it's benefits in compound on this forum.

Basically in a compound all you need is
* Heavy weight to minimise wind drift
* Thin diametre to minimise wind drift
* straight
* consistant weight
* consistant spine

it doesn't matter if it's an $80 X10 or a $15 Redline. If it's all the above it will shoot and group well. It doesn't even have to be the correct spine for your bow.
With the above requirements I would recommend
X10's
Navigators
Triples

[Leighton]

So what do you need in an arrow for a recurve bow?

[Killjoy]

So what do you need in an arrow for a recurve bow?

Same as compound ..and one additional impt bit... arrow spline must match bow.

[Leighton]

but you have to do that with compounds anyway...don't you?

But when does heavy get too heavy? Because won't a heavier shaft mean a slower velocity. But then physics also says it means a greater velocity at distances....

ARRGHHH!!!! Too much thinking! Someone else is supposed to do the thinking.

[clever_guy]

Tungsten piles were designed to allow the shaft to better withstand shooting into tougher target material - like Stramit or Tentest.

You are better off using ACE's or Nav's unless you can justify the expense of X-10's, you are shooting at a very high level and want to try different arrow setups to eliminate wind drift, or are shooting into tougher targets.

-CG

[Milkovitsch]

Marcus,

I am curious about your comment regarding spine. Why does this not matter (sorry, it was not exactly what you said) and why is it more important with a recurve?
There's another post somewhere on this forum about tuning one cam bows, and the writer actually varies the bow weight to match the spine of his chosen arrow.
IF spine is important, could anyone suggest a method for determining how to do the above? Do you shoot a number of arrows, adjust bow weight and measure your groups? I am not so confident in my ability to notice such a small change.

Thanks.

[Marcus]

It is my belief that spine does not matter on a compound with a release aid. It is also my belief that a stiffer shaft is better because it will be less succeptable to flexing. The straighter it flies the better.
You may need some flex to get over the arrow rest, but otherwise you shouldn't need to worry about it. Trial and error is the best test.
Personally I would be happy shooting arrows from 550-390 spines.

Recurve it matters because it must flex around the bow at just the right amount.