Banned drugs in the Olympics

[Patchy]

Im just interested to now the banned inhancement drugs in Archery :D

[Rodger]

From next topic down:

[quote=DrRalph]On this subject you should be clear and precise. Start with page 93 book one of the FITA rules (http://www.archery-fita.org/rule_book/rule2004/rule2004.html. Then go to your national anti-drugs in sport institution (ASDA in Australia: http://www.asda.org.au/athletes/default.htm), and educate yourself.

Wishy washy hearsay on this topic is less than helpful.

http://www.asda.org.au/athletes/banned.htm
Reminds us that alcohol is on the 2004 prohibited list.

However some sport specific cases allow alcohol level. eg Archery (FITA) allows 0.1g/L blood alcohol (0.01 percent). Boules (CMSB) allows 0.5g/L (0.05 percent), Skiing (FIS) allows none at all, Gymnastics (FIG) 0.1g/L (0.01 percent), and Wrestling (FILA) none

Nicotine is not banned (wonder why?)
and a quick check on ASDA lists:

NicabateCQ
NicabateCQ Clear
NicabateCQ Lozenges
Nicorette Chewing Gum
Nicorette Inhaler
Nicorette Patch
Nicotinell
Nicotinell Chewing Gum
Nicotinic Acid

As OK on the ASDA site.

Also, you have to keep up to date. Caffeine and pseudoephedrine , previously prohibited in-competition under the IOC 2003 List, are permitted under the 2004 List.

[Patchy]

Thanks rodge

[coach]

Plan on using one that isn't Patchy? Maybe some Nimbin products? :rofl:

[littlejohnsboss]

I was watching a mythbusters show and they proved that if you eat 2 begals with poppy seeds on or just one bagel with poppy seeds on is will show a positive reading to drugs in a test up to 72 hours. What would Archery do if this ever happened in a tournament were testing is done? :o

[Archangel]

I was watching a mythbusters show and they proved that if you eat 2 begals with poppy seeds on or just one bagel with poppy seeds on is will show a positive reading to drugs in a test up to 72 hours. What would Archery do if this ever happened in a tournament were testing is done? :o
It will show a positive reading to opium - not "drugs". I'm not sure whether opium is a banned drug in sport.

If someone tested positive, they're buggered. They'd probably lose the medal for that event, and maybe a ban - the usual stuff. Saying you could have got it from poppy seeds isn't an acceptable excuse - see the gymnast in Sydney who was given a banned cold medication by her team doctor.

[robbo]

It will show a positive reading to opium - not "drugs". I'm not sure whether opium is a banned drug in sport.

Opium is a drug, and it is a banned substance.

[Patchy]

Plan on using one that isn't Patchy? Maybe some Nimbin products?

why do you think i live up here jeff :crazyeyes:

[Archangel]

It will show a positive reading to opium - not "drugs". I'm not sure whether opium is a banned drug in sport.

Opium is a drug, and it is a banned substance.
I know it's a drug... my point when I said "drugs" was that littlejohnsboss said it would show a "positive reading to drugs in a test" - it's not as simple as testing positive for drugs, you test positive for a specific drug.

Thanks for confirming that opium is banned - I thought it seemed likely, but I've never heard of anyone testing positive for it in any sport, which has lead me to think in the past that the poppy seed thing was a bit of an urban legend. If it is true, how come we don't see more of it - it would be easy to do accidentally.

[robbo]

Opium is a narcotic, but I don't think it is used much in western countries.

I don't know if there would be much of a benifit to archers, apart from being an analgesic.

Maybe it would calm you down.. :-?

[Gone]

Opium is a narcotic, but I don't think it is used much in western countries.

I don't know if there would be much of a benifit to archers, apart from being an analgesic.

Maybe it would calm you down.. :-?

The one and only time I have had opium tea, it did an excellent job of completely separating mind and body. Freaking scary for the most part.

[robbo]

Okay, maybe it doesn't calm you down. :D

[Brett k]

I was just thinking about this topic the other day at what level in archery do we have to start pissing in a cup? :o

[Clare Barnes]

As far as I recall the only recurve archers to be asked in recent years are Australian team members, those medalling at the Open Nats, or AIS archers.

Compound I'm not sure about - I imagine if any it would be those medalling in the open divisions at the Nats, or those going to the WACs. :-?

But I think any competitor in any event can be asked..... :D

[Flame]

a female archer from the silver medal team at the AYO was tested :D

[2Dogs]

So did she go positiive, & is now banned for life? :wink: :lol:

[Flame]

It wasn't CW this time :D

[littlejohnsboss]

Yes it is a banned substance heroin is made from poppy's this is a banned substance in any sport this is what the test would probably show. What I am trying to say the implications in any sport is that if you eat a bread roll or any food with poppy seeds on it then you are tested for drugs a positive will show there are athletes out there that are not aware of this though this has not happeded then more needs to be done about what the test is about. And how to recognise this if it ever happens. May be this is forward thinking for our sport but heh we need to let people know don't you think? :o

[robbo]

Morphine is a component of opium, and heroin is refined from there.

I think.

[coach]

If sport gets that anal that you cant eat a poppy seed bun ,, then you have to ask "do you want to be in such a sport?" This is getting beyond the joke IMO :roll: Who makes these rules? The ones that get beaten? "Oh he ate a poppy seed bun ,, thats not fair,, I came second ,, ban him" Why would you want to be in a sport with this attitude? I for one would not! There is too many whingers as it is without giving them a reason to whinge :D

[2Dogs]

Can't wait till the day when you pee in a cup Coach!!!

It won't be a matter of what you took, but how many types!! :D:D

[Dave Barnes]

Yes it is a banned substance heroin is made from poppy's this is a banned substance in any sport this is what the test would probably show.

Out of compeition you can have pretty much anything in your system apart from Anabolic androgenic steroids, anti-estrogens, beta-2 agonists (in some asthma meds i think?), hormones (EPO, hGH etc), and diuretics.

But in the olympics (or any competition) is much more strict, although we are still allowed to blow 0.10 :D full list is available http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/document/list_2005.pdf

Maybe i have learnt something from all those ****ing ASDA meetings we have to sit through :x

[Flame]

What you paid attention? :D

[grantwomack]

What you paid attention? :D
If anything gets repeated to you enough, your brain will absorb it, listening or not! :D

[littlejohnsboss]

I am only making people aware of this now because from what i can see this information only come to light this past year it may have been the case in the past ppl not knowing they would show positive from a mear bread type roll with poppy seeds on.
We may have to pass this one on to the dopping committy and I have just the person when i find out what he reacons Ill let you all know he is in our club over here in the west.
In the mean time try a pole on the subject on how many know of this bet not many. Also if they are testing for a percific drug how come there are so many banned ones on the list I dont think so I would be guessing they are looking for a broad specrum to start with. :roll:

[The One]

Say you did eat a poppy seed roll, how long would it take for the said substance to get out of the system for a negative test?

[littlejohnsboss]

The test that was carried out on the mythbusters show say it lasted 72 hours and they tested themselves every hour. Since this I have spoken to our doping authority person in AA and he said Archery would be strict on anything found in your system that was illegal and the test they do is a broad spectrum test they test for evey dam thing. So archers real have it on themselves to be aware of what to take and not to take. Even if a vitamin was taken and the warning on the label stated the ingredients are not 100% it will always rest on the athletes shoulders not to take the substance who knows what is in the vitamin. Therefore Archers need to made aware not to eat a dam poppy seed roll before taking a pee in a drug test jar. :D :oops:













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[Archangel]

I am only making people aware of this now because from what i can see this information only come to light this past year it may have been the case in the past ppl not knowing they would show positive from a mear bread type roll with poppy seeds on.
We may have to pass this one on to the dopping committy and I have just the person when i find out what he reacons Ill let you all know he is in our club over here in the west.
In the mean time try a pole on the subject on how many know of this bet not many. Also if they are testing for a percific drug how come there are so many banned ones on the list I dont think so I would be guessing they are looking for a broad specrum to start with. :roll:
Nah that story's been around for ages - forget when I first heard it but it was a long time ago.

I thought it was an urban myth personally - I've never heard of anyone testing positive for it, and I bet there'd be a big fuss if they did.
Plus you'd think if one really did have a detectable opiate effect there'd be people wandering around stoned out of their gourd after eating six...

[Pinky]

Plus you'd think if one really did have a detectable opiate effect there'd be people wandering around stoned out of their gourd after eating six...

The test kits they used detected opium to a ridiculously small concentration (or at least it seemed small to me) and they didn't just eat one poppy seed bagel in the test. One guy ate a packet of bagels and the other an entire poppy seed cake. The guy who ate the bagels took a few hours longer to test positive than the cake guy.

What's interesting though is that the test kits they used are actually used in some industries to test employees who are supposed to be drug free and they only showed a yes/no response. Imagine losing your job because you really, really like poppy seed cake :o

[Dave Barnes]

I am only making people aware of this now because from what i can see this information only come to light this past year it may have been the case in the past ppl not knowing they would show positive from a mear bread type roll with poppy seeds on.

Yeah but what is the cut off level, i doubt the poppy seeds of one bun would have enough whatever it is, to make it a positive test. Post some links/info where it proves that you will go over the limit.........

[frommy]

I watched that program, and some others in the "Mythbusters" series, He admits, ashamedly with embarassement purely for reseach purposes, the same as many years ago I bought "Playboy" for the articles. :wink:

For f*cks sake, it is a light weight, lifestyle type, program with no legitimate credibility or scientific value.

I agree that the tests they conducted on themselves did show positive results, but the volumes of product, being bagels and poppyseed cake, consumed were huge, and far beyond that of a normal consumer.

Archangel, gee, guess what. The program is called "Mythbusters". Do you get a clue from that at all?

Sorry, people, I get p*ssed off by this sort of thing. In my working world decisions are based on evidence of a credible nature. I see "expert" opinion presented on all sorts of issues, and the evidence of the bad guys, those who might have to pay out some money, is usually opposite to the evidence of the good guys, the agrieved party. :agrue:

There may be something in this poppy seed thing, and I do accept that a few workplaces use basic testing devices which give "Yes/No" readings, but I will not accept a TV show as an authority in this area. :o

Brian

[littlejohnsboss]

David the only information I have seen to date on the poppy seed showing a positive reading was the mythbusters show were they ate 3 bagels with poppy seeds prior to eating them a sample was taken and no reading was shown then a sample taken after eating them which read positive. This was due to a women was tested a couple of years before was tested positive for drugs by the work place and the sacked. She then suide them and got US$286,000. So unless there is something on the mythbuster site there is no info amout this thats why I am asking if anyone else is aware of it may be we should do our own trials bet there wont be anyone keen to pee in a jar in a hurry? HA HA! :lol: :wink:

[Archangel]

Archangel, gee, guess what. The program is called "Mythbusters". Do you get a clue from that at all?
Um, roughly that they like to think they bust myths?

My post was pretty sceptical about them making you test positive - which sounds pretty similar to your last statement that you won't accept a TV show as an authority on it.
What's your point?