Disapointed

[Eberbachl]

Just received my long awaited new Arrow Dynamics Nitro Stingers arrows from Altservices.

They are the cheapest and nastiest arrows I have ever seen, they seem about as straight as carbon safaris!, certainly nowhere near the claimed 0.0025 tolerance:mad, I think there is some weight variation (I need a grain scale), very poor quality nocks and absolutely shockingly rough points. The points even wobble around on the inside of the front of the shaft.

The arrows have absolutely disgusting accesories. At this stage I think I would rather be shooting Carbon Safaris from the Nock Shop!
:(:(:(

If Easton Super 3D nocks and ACC points fit, the shafts might just be passable for beginners, but they don't, so I'll be sending these straight back to England and I don't think I'll even bother getting the fletching jig out of my tackle box!!!!!!!

I'm dissapointed in Altservices on this one, as I asked Tony to give me an honest review of these arrows before I ordered them, and made it clear that I was looking for an alternative to ACE's.

He said that all their tests had showed that they were very good!

:mad

NOT happy:(

...maybe I'll get some CT McKinneys to try...or just say to hell with it and spend the $500+ on ACE's - at least I know there won't be any quality issues there!!!!!!!

[Eberbachl]

I've Emailed altservices on this matter, requesting a return and full refund, but as yet have not had a reply.

I have also emailed the manufacturer with some feedback. The manufacturer responded immediately, although somewhat abrubtly at the suggestion that someone didn't like their product. It turns out that the 0.0025 tolerance altservices advertises is wrong according to Arrow Dynamics, and that the tolerance for the nitro stingers is only supposed to be 0.004.

Firstly, if they were advertised correctly as being 0.004 I would never have bought them and secondly the shafts when tested had a variation of up 0.007 anyway. Well outside both tolerance claims!

:mad:(:mad

[Eberbachl]

.......mmmmm:mad

Just received an email from altservices......in so many words he pretty much said "bad luck", but look forward to your next order :mad

...oh he also reckons he shoots 1320 fitas with these shafts fitted with Kurly Vanes, that must be the answer!

stay tuned for the next episode!

[Marcus]

So he won't take em back? Prick!
1320 sucks! That's not a recommendation! I want shafts that will shoot 1440, not 1320!

I think it's time to post this info to the PSE forum, give them a bad name. Lying bastards!

DVA ARCHERS BOYCOTT ALTSERVICES!

[Eberbachl]

mmm... well I just returned his Email with an in-depth history of the purchase, details of his false advertising, contents of the email from Arrow Dynamics, details on our tests last night on these shafts, details of my previous transactions with him in the past, and all the business he has had from others as a direct result of recommendations by me.

I also congratulated him on his 1320, but said I didn't want to be limited to that sort of level.

I'll bring the emails on the weekend for you to read.

If he wont accept the return after this email, that's when I'll get started:mad

[mike]

Its a shame that Altservices have shafted you (excuse the pun) because theirs looked like a good service, and at least you could buy from them without having to deal with the arrow sales pitch from dealers!! :rolleyes

Since there are no hard and fast opinions on arrows, I'll put my 5 cents worth in!


I shoot Beman Diva 'C' 22 shafts (cheap and straight :) )and they work wonders out of the HCA Max Force. mind you the tear on paper is bad, but with this bow, I have never got a straight tear with {*i}any{i*} arrows. :mad

But they fly well and group in the gold at 90m so I am happy.

The real difference came when I put Spin Wing Elites on them. this reduced the drag and somehow straightened them out and well, the scores improved. The thing is that no-one around seems to want to recomend spin wings for compound... to answer that I tell them: {*i}I do not get launcher colision problems{i*} Of course noone believes me!!! The answer is in the tune and the way you turn the nock.

I reckon you should go for the McKinneys or even the Beman Carbon Racing shafts. sure beats paying your life savings for ACEs or X10s and at the end of the day, if they're straight and fly well, the only difference is how much change you get from $800!!

Good luck with Altservices.

[Eberbachl]

Hi Mike!

Thanks for the post, and welcome to the forum!

Thanks also for the info on arrows. I haven't shot Bemans before, so I don't know much about them. A few people that I know shoot them for field and shoot them very well. I really love ACE's, just not the price tag, but I think I'll cop it sweet and pay the $500+ to get them, they really are nice quality arrows, I've had about three or four sets of them now, and every set has just been so close to perfect it's not funny.

I think the McKinneys sound good, although I've never seen them first hand, I mean they look very good on paper.

If I shot target only I think I would try the CT McKinney shafts, but because I shoot alot of unmarked field as well as target, I like the fact that ACE's are light as well as thin. The thin diameter helps them hold up over the longer distances, and the light weight means that I can make an error in distance judjment on the field course by a few meters, and still be in the twenty.

Im always open to suggestions about arrows, but as yet I've not found anything as nice as ACE's:D

What are the straightness tolerances like on your Bemans. And what is the weight like? Are they a bit heavier than the equivalent ACE?

On the Altservices thing, I'll waiut and see if I can get these dodgy shafts returned, I haven't given up yet. The straightness of 0.007 out when altservices claim 0.0025 (which is wrong anyway) enough reason for a return alone! I am very disapointed with them so far on this one! I've ordered thousands of dollars worth of stuff from them in the past, and now when I have my first problem, it's "bad luck!".:mad

Cheers! :):):)

[Marcus]

Mike

Personally I wouldn't shoot spin wings with a shoot over rest, however I think they shoot great with a compound. With a drop down there is no reason to not shoot them except just personal preference. Years ago I shot ACE's with them and got some very good scores with them. I've also had good results from normal vanes. I currently really like the Easton vanes due to their strength. The Spin wings are good if you need to lighten up the back end as well.

As for Alt Services they are really the only proper online archery store out there. Which is insane as it's the best way to reach your key market. It is coming out though that they are arrogant and single minded. They seem to hate Easton and really push stuff that you know they have a higher profit margin with. One of our club members called him to see if he had X10's and Alt replied "what do you want to shoot them for? Carbon Techs are cheaper" our guy (Greg) replied "I don't want your opinion, just if you have them in stock!".
What Altservices have withthese Arrow Dynamic shafts is blatent false advertising. If you get no luck Luke contact consumer affairs in England.

[Eberbachl]

I'm pleased to say that Tony has just sent me a nice email offering to accept return of these shafts, and has hand selected a set of Arrow Dynamics shafts for me which are better than 0.0025 and matched to under 1gn weight tolerance.

Nice of Tony to hand select some shafts for me, but I think I'll just ask for an exchange and pay the difference for a set of ACE's.

I'll let you know how the next round of negotiations go :)

[mike]

Definitely better off sticking to the ACEs by the sounds of it.

Again, I repeat!!! You don't get collision with spin wings off a launcher type rest if you set up the bow properly and turn the nock correctly (you have to allow for the fact that the arrow spins abit as it passes over the rest.

I get better results in terms of groups witht them and the speed of the arrow holds up better over 90m, allowing to (occaisionally) put 6 in the 10 at 90m!!!! not that I want to show off or anything!!!

BIG PROBLEM WITH SPIN WINGS HOWEVER is that they are not at all durable, meaning that I lose about 3 - 5 vanes in a fita round.... which means I need to have plenty of reserve arrows ready to go.

I can cope with it though If they group well....

Would like a nice set of X10s to compare to my Divas. As for straightness, I have no idea of the tollerance, but I reckon it must be pretty good.

[Marcus]

Again, I repeat!!! You don't get collision with spin wings off a launcher type rest if you set up the bow properly and turn the nock correctly (you have to allow for the fact that the arrow spins abit as it passes over the rest.

Hey not arguing that it can't be done, I just personally wouldn't do it. I really like shoot over rests, however recently I could not get clearence at all on a Cavalier rest with Easton vanes no matter how much time I spent on it. In some situations the tuning required for clearence can give you poor arrow flight, in others it all works great.
I will most likely move my wife away from Kurly vanes to Easton vanes as she is shreading them in groups.
Personally I've shot both alot and found no difference in grouping if both sets of arrows were tuned right. I would often change vanes to change the weight and affect spine and thus try to improve grouping, however that is just a weight difference. I've shot 330+ at 90m with both normal and spin wings so it's really down to tuning.

[bubba the hunter]

:eek how come the price of your arrows are so High???? do you have to inport them? they r not that high around me. very nice web site u got there LUKE :)

[Eberbachl]

Hi bubba the hunter!

Welcome to archery forum.

Our arrows are priced high, because, as Marcus said, I assume that you are from America. The Australian dollar is around 50c US, so if I buy a set of ACE's for around $500 AUD, that is the same as about $250 US. You might pay a little less than that as well because of the cost of importing the product into this country, and our GST etc.

By the way, thanks for the comment about my websit, but I hope that you are being carcastic, becuase I know it is pretty average. I kinda even forgot it was there :) I promise I'll get off my arse and do something with it soon

:P:eek:P

[Derbytown]

Take a look at PSE Carbon Force Extremes, you won't be disappointed. I shoot the Dominators, and they are the best carbon arrows I've ever shot. Hope this helps. Be safe.
Shoot Straight
Derbytown :D

[jm]

Eberbachl

Did you get stung with tax when you collected your arrows? If so, this would have made them VERY expensive.

I received some CT Sportsters from Alternative not long back. They have the McKinney graphics on them, but in blue. Nearly blew a fuse when the Australia Post notification card informed me that $75 tax was payable on collection.

After discussions with the Customs service the duty was waived. They thought the currency was English pounds even though the invoice clearly stated Euros. Customs waives all tax levied at less than $50.

The way they calculate it seems to indicate that any sporting goods imported which total more than around $320 inclusive of postage becomes tax liable, so be carefull!

Great site.

Mark.