What is the best field arrow

[Eberbachl]

OK....same goes for field - what do you think is the best arrow purely for field archery and why?

Price
Performance
Quality
Tolerances
Durability
etc...

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[OldDog]

Totally sold on the carbon express cxls Luke, Same tolerances as the cartel tripels and shoot and group really well.

[Eberbachl]

How do the cxls differ from the select 3D's, and what points/nocks do you use with the cxl's Noel. What spine do you shoot?

The blue cxl point with either alloy or steel insertable weight module looks interesting.

[OldDog]

They are much larger in diameter than the selects and they are also lighter, I use the blue point with the steel breakoff to make a 90 grain point, the standard nock is brilliant, it is point shaped and will deflect everything but a perfect nockshot, When i first assembled them I had 70gn points I took them to the indoor in Toowoomba and was very dissapointed in the way they grouped, I tried to heat the points out (areldite) and stuffed two shafts in the process, Pissed off. I ground down an allen key till it fit snug in an ace and changed the point weight from the nock end shot them at the club next day in fine conditions and had tennis ball size groups at 70 mts until the wind came up, They dont like wind.

[mike]

I voted ACEs because they are fast and smaller diameter so they have everything required for every possible situation.

i voted X10s on the target poll.

Note that I have never used either!!! I use Cartel triples for target and field.

So I really don't know what I am talking about do I?

actually, this is a good way for me to reach 500 posts.

:roll:

[Marcus]

I think the key here is price though. Ideally I personally would use the X10's for target and ACE's for field. However lack of $$ in my account says no. Thus because ACE'soffer little more over other shafts for the extra $ and X10's, while the best are not twice as good as the Cartels, that is the way I think to vote.
I voted CarbonAeros, because I think the average joe who doesn't get to check arrows for straightness first has a better chance of getting a good set than someone buying Safaris. 8) :wink:

[Eberbachl]

I shot ACE's purely for field up until recently, and I'm currently shooting safaris. Safaris are good, but as Marcus said, although they are good value for money, one must be careful about the straightness etc. Of course the CarbonAeros are the same shaft, with better tolerances. Not sure how the pricing compares to Safaris. Anyone know how much for CarbonAeros...?

Two shafts I would very much like to try for field at the moment are CXL's and the CT Cheetah 3D's. Both look like they are excellent shafts.

I really don't see alot of benefit in ACE's for field anymore - considering their price. If they were a little cheaper, I'd still be shooting them, and if I were after a combination target/field arrow I'd shoot them also. But with with quality shafts like BemanICSSafarisCarbonAeros/CXL's/Cheetahs at reasonable prices, it's difficult to justify the ACE's.

[James Park]

I should have voted for X10's because I have had my highest scores with them (358). However, I know that would be wrong.
I voted for ACE's because, except for X10's, I have had my highest scores with them.
I probably should have voted for Safari's, because I think I could get my highest scores with them and they are very cheap. Fast and large diameter are good attributes.

[Steve B]

Well Luke I can help on the price of carbonaeros, I know this one :D
Whilst doing some homework on arrows the Epic are $105 and the Excel are $90 , theses come with the super nock and then you need to choose points , most people are using the ACC 3/60 points thats about another $22 and if you want to put the G nock insert in then add the appropriate cost, all up I think the carbonaeros are rather damn good value for money, I use them for field and indoor need to change the indoor though even with the g nocks fitted it is easy to bust the bum out of em....

[Eberbachl]

I'd very much like to see the tolerance specifications for the CarbonAeros...at $90 bucks a dozen that is damn near disposable ! :D

Ive broken 3 Safaris this last week...and the nice thing is I don't really care :D

If the weight ranges are close enough, and the shafts straight...They would be very hard to beat at this price..... I know that Safaris work (same shaft).

Anyone know any real specs for the CarbonAeros? Very interesting that Easton doesn't seem to make this info available. :roll:

[2Dogs]

The Carbon Aeros I use are +- 3 grains when made up. An Damm straight.

My guess is that the spines might not so tight as they are not in matched sets and they are cheap.

But from experience they shoot tight.

I also have a set of Cheetah 400's..........they have exceptional tolerances.

X7 straightness and they come is batches of 12 with their spines matched +- .0015 across the set. $186dz...tough too.........plus you can use a CT pin nock on them.

I also have a set of the CXL's very nice very straight, bit pricey......but I think you would break too many shooting tight groupd with them......they will be my favourite 3D arrow


So I'm saying Cheetah 525,400.300 (top of th eline model)

[Steve B]

From my hunting for specs, cause like you Luke didn't like the lack of info from easton, so I managed to dig out from somewhere (cant remember now) the following specs:-

Epic 500 7.14 Grains/in
Excel 500 7.10 Grains/in

Epic 400 8.24 Grains/in
Excel 400 8.12 Grains/in

Epic 340 9.14 Grains/in
Excel 340 8.80 Grains/in

Epic 300 9.28 Grains/in

I would suggest that they are +/- .004 straightness and +/- 1.5 grains from what I have experienced , but I can say they group damn well when I shoot well. And yes Luke they are great value for what they do. The Excel actually say on the arrow that they are 7.7 grains/in but I know they are actually 7.1 grains/in as I weighed mine (500's) so thats about all I can tell you about em :D

[robbo]

Has anybody used Gold tip arrows.

I have just bought a doz gold tip 3Dpro 35/55's 0.001" straightness.
I used G nocks and Easton 90 grn hyperspeed points. Matching points and shaft, made up within about 1grn.
They cost $140 / doz

As I don't have much experience ( read wouldn't know a good arrow if I saw one) I would like some opinions on them.

Thanks
Robbo :P

[deadeye]

I use the gold tip 3-d pro with 108gn easton point 7.9 cm flex fletch vanes
& qad tune-a-nock. seems to group well. Tough as nails.

[robbo]

The carbontech Cheetah 3D's look pretty good. Good tolerence's.

[Inner-10]

Carbon Xpress, there cheap, good, and can take a hell of a beating. :angel:

[Marcus]

I think I'll change my vote to the CXL shafts. Very nice looking arrow.

[Eberbachl]

Yep, I'm going to change my vote to the CXL's after this weekend.

They are a really outstanding arrow indeed. 8.9mm diameter and really light. They seem quite durable, and the buff tough finish is excellent. The great thing also is that the components are really nice also, with good points adjustable from 50gn to 125gn with screw in modules and break off sections! The nocks look very very good also, being quite short, and have a shape which should help with deflections from other arrows. The tolerances of these arrows are most excellent also, and are sold in matched sets of a dozen. One thing I might add is that the arrows are quite tough to remove from 3D targets, and do really require a lube tube to aid in extraction. (Which I always use on other carbons for 3D anyway).

Price is not too bad for such quality either, I believe they are under $300 a dozen.

I'm going to get me some of these arrows real soon!

:bday:

[Inner-10]

The nocks look very very good also,

Not really, at first I found that there performance was excellent, fit my string perfectly; but then the started to break. There good nocks, but there as fragile as egg shells, thats why im switching to mags. So far my favorite nocks have been bohning. :wink:

[Eberbachl]

Hi Inner-10,

Were you using the CX's or the CXL's?

Just wondering if the nocks were the same? And were you using the insert tuneable nock or the Carbon Express pin-nock?

What are other people's experiences with the Carbon Express nocks???

Cheers,

Luke.

:bday:

[Juggs]

maarcus
what size cabaneros should i use for my set up 54 pounds comandcam defiant 26.5 inch.

the safaris have such a broad spine range do the carbaneros have more choice in spine range.

steve

[Marcus]

No not really. Try the 500's. I've found them to be very close to perfect spine for a similar setup.

[Eberbachl]

Hey Stevej,

Marcus is spot on, the CarbonAeros have exactly the same spine range as the Safaris...

I'm shooting the 45-60 (500's) at 60lbs, 28 1/2" and they are a bit weak. For me the 400's would be ideal, but are too heavy. Your setup should require the CarbonAeros 500's or Safari 45-60's.

But if you are looking at new arrows, have a think about what sort of shooting you'll be doing with them...if it's field you're after, have a close look at the Carbon Express arrows, before making a decision. I'm mighty impressed with them after seeing them up close this weekend!

Cheers,

Luke.

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[2Dogs]

I'm using Beiter insert nocks on my CXL's for 3D.

The nock is longer in the throat, and gives a bit more distance to the carbon. Should protect it a bit more.

Plus the bieters have about 1 1/4" of insert that goes up the shaft. Helps stiffen it the 150 size I'm shooting out of my 60# superlukekickbutt bow :wink:

I won't be shooting my CXL's for field. I feel that tight groups would destroy them.

I'm going to try the magnocks on the CXL's and see how they go

[Magnockman]

A very popular arrow here in the U.S. are Blackhawk Vapors. I prefer the 4000 ACA-- extremely durable and stays straighter because of the coating, much like a CXL.

Take a CarbonAeros or Carbon Express and hold it near your ear and slightly bend the arrow. That crackling you hear is changing the arrows spine. Plus they tend to split too easily at the nock end. I don't mind losing a nock due to a glance from another arrow but to loose a shaft too isn't acceptable to me.

In windy conditions the X-10's are the best but the price is a consumer rip-off!!!! :bad-words:

[OldDog]

Paul, how are you going to adapt the magnoks to the cxls??

[robbo]

:oops: Oops can I take my vote back I just voted for X10's :P

I wasn't trying to vote I got trigger happy and my finger slipped, well thats my story anyway. :D

[Magnockman]

A bushing adapter for CXL's is available that makes their shafts to fit Easton Super nocks and our large size.

[Inner-10]

I shoot Carbon Experss Terminator (the hunting shafts) I think they have the same knocks as all the other CXs'. Im not sure what type but there not the pin nocks, they just push-in, and shatter like glass. Im switching to magnocks.

[Targetnut]

I think the ACEs are best for field. The small diameter is good in the wind, lighter is faster which helps on those extreme up and downhill shots or unmarked distances. The shaft to shaft consistency in weight and spine match is awesome. I'm suprised that so far only one person as chosen ACCs, these also are a very consistent shaft the only draw back is that they are a little fatter and heavier.
Someone had queried about Goldtips, I was using these and could never really get them to group as well as I would like. I built a spine tester and found that there was as much as 15% variation in spine among a dozen. I've not checked any other all carbon shafts, and would certainly be interested to see if this was the norm.
I shot with people that were using CXLs, and it seemed that they flew well but they were certainly more vulnerable to damage than any other shaft I can remember.

Targetnut