Weight Tubes??

[bailman2000]

just wondering if anyone has found a good solution to stop the weight tubes from rattling in the shaft? Thanks-

[mike]

What the.....????

[bailman2000]

haven't you ever heard of weight tubes for carbon arrows????? They have a tendancy to rattle or vibrate inside the shaft!

[robbo]

I have never heard of them, but I am only new to archery.

Are they the weights that screw into the back of some points?

[mike]

Nope, never heard of them! And I shoot compound! I should be ashamed!


So, what do they do? Why do you use them? Is it worth it, does it give better accuracy? Are they just used to get an even weight match, which others do by stuffing bits of paper down the shaft! Who makes them?


Pardon the ignorance... :oops:

[bailman2000]

they are mainly used for hunting, to make the arrow heavier, mostly to improve penetration. Since carbon arrows can be considerable lighter than aluminum, sometimes they don't penetrate as deeply. I just started shhoting a new broadhead made by G5, called the Montec. It is completely machined from a single piece of stainless steel, from tip to threads- one solid piece. They fly awesome, but I haven't been getting as much penetration as I would like. I was shooting 5 grains per inch at 298 feet per second. Not getting complete pass throughs on deer. I put these tubes in the arrow which increase the overall weight by 3 grains per inch. They rattle a little bit inside the shaft though. I am thinking of glueing them in, just trying to get some insight from other shooters who have encountered this same problem. I would be gld to answer any other questions you guys might have.

[bailman2000]

oh yeah, they are a hollow tube that fits inside the arrow shaft. Sorry, I forgot that part. You cut them to fit each arrow.

[mike]

Any reason then that you don't just use an aluminium arrow? Curious...I've often thought that if were to hunt, I would use the Al arrow because of its heavier weight.

[bailman2000]

mainly for durability reasons. Carbons are much more durable, no worrying about bending. Prices are about the same anymore for a good hunting shaft. I have been hunting with the same dozen arrows for 3 years. Shot many deer and lots of small game. They break just like aluminum, but take alot more of a beating. I have broke a couple, either by the animal breaking them or by hitting a rock. Rocks will wreck any arrow.

[Inner-10]

I am familiar with weight tubes, but have never used them myself, did you ever try using a small amount of glue (easy to remove kind)? or wrapping a bit of teflon tape to achieve a tighter fit?, I thought weight tubes were designed to fit without rattle, what kind of carbon arrows are you using??

[bailman2000]

I never thought about teflon tape. I am shooting both Carbon Express and PSE. I bought Game Tracker tubes, they don't rattle very much, but do if you bang your hand on the shaft wall. Still haven't shot an arrow with them, will be doing that today. Thanks for the ideas.

[Inner-10]

I also shoot the game tracker arrows, and they make weight tube for different sizes, if im not mistaken, what kind of game tracker arrows do you use?

[plasticpail]

If you add a bit of glue they won't rattle, but a cheaper solution is to use air line from an aquarium..If you are not getting passthru on dssr at 298 , you must be hitting some heavy bone, .I have passthru's on moose with less speed than that.shooting 365 grains at 270'sfps.

[ctspr]

Why don't you try to use termic glue?That glue that melts...

[Brad]

You could also try some of the newer carbon shafts like the easton evolutions or beman hunters. They are are heavier shaft. The evolutions are about 10 grains/inch in the 300's and beaman are 9.3 grais/inch in the hunters. You can get more info on the easton and beman websites. They also have an online shaft selection chart.

I'm now using Beman 340 hunters. With 5 inch vanes and 130 grain outback b/heads they weigh just over 500 grains. That'll stop most things!

[liquid1]

I remember years ago when carbons first came out a pro told me the traditional archers on safari would use carbon shafts with rock salt in them for more weight,if that is true you could probably use aqurium filter or irrigation tubing tubing glue up one end fill the tubing with sand,salt make sure you weigh them to be equal the glue up the other end ,i guess the tubing in the shaft would have to be a snug fit though,i dont know how safe this method woulb be as well

[Luke]

Try using 6mm tassie oak dowels (from any hard ware). Cheap as at around $2.10 for 2900mm length. Give each one a light sand and just slide in for a nice snug fit...definitely no rattels.

I shoot Rhinos at 10 odd grains per inch with the dowels, Davies/tusker Javelins (125grains) and 3, 4inch veins. These come in at around 690grains all up...enough to SMASH anything with outstanding results.

Luke :)

[Bullwinkle]

I have been using the irragation tubing you buy at any hardware store, costs about $4.50 for 25m of hose. This stuff takes my goltips up to about 600-650gr depending on the broadhead I use and is petty consistent with weights per inch as well which is harder to do with the dowelling IMO. Have used these arrows to blow clean through big boars and bust through shoulder blades with know problems at all. Just found a place for Rusa so will have a go with these as well :D .

[Luke]

You stalking me oh wide one? :wink:

[Brad]

What set up are you blokes using??

Bow, poundage, draw length etc??

[Luke]

Bowtech Extreme SD: bought January 2001.
Right handed.
Axel to Axel: 32.5 INCHES
Draw weight: 50 - 60.4 PNDS
Physical weight: 3.7 PNDS
AMO arrow speed: 305 FPS @60.4 PNDS
Brace Height: 6 INCHES
Cams: SINGLE (Adjustable let-off (65 - 80%))
String: MAKERS CHOICE (with peep)
Extras
: - BOW QUIVER
: - SITE (Toxonics commando)
: - REST (Quicktune 1000)
: - LIMB SAVERS
: - STRING WHISKERS
Release: SCOTT CALIPER (using string loop)
Arrows: Rhino's (45/70)
Broadheads: Davies Javelin's (125gr)

Hope this is what you were after Brad.

Luke :D

[Brad]

Luke,

What weight are the arrows your shooting to get 305fps??

Have you read the articles by Ed Ashby in Archery Action?? In the last one he has a graph that gives you a figure for arrow weight and speed combined, have you seen it?? It's a good way to see how much weight you need with the speed you get.

In other words it's not just about heavier arrows. there are other things that come into the equation.

I found that I could use 470 grain arrows and reach his 'magical' number. I read his last articlw AFTER i had shot some feral Camels, Donkeys and Brumbies up north.

Brad

[Luke]

Yeah mate, I have read the article...a good read too.

When I bought my Bowtech it came with a certificate saying that @ max poundage it shoots a 300gr arrow at 305fps. I think it was 300gr been a while and I can't really remember.

I know that even at 690gr the arrows I'm shooting now are scorching out so I figure, when they're still going fast, I'll hunt with heavy arrows as it will dramatically increase penetration and in hunting (apart from placement) that is everything.

Luke

[Brad]

Yeah thats sounds good.

I like to have good speed as it brings my pins closer together, which helps if you range your game incorrectly. Also the extra speed helps with game that 'jump the string'.

I've got a rabbit on video that i shot at 25 yards. The rabbit had started to move when the arrow was only half way there. I know deer are the same, very quick to move.

[Luke]

True..and that used to be my main concern...incorrect judgement of distance, but now I'd rather have an arrow that'll go through a brick "proverbial". The majority of the shots I take are under the 20m mark anyways...
Another thing is that I deteste noisy bows. My bowtech is very quiet...I make sure it is so string jump is rare.

Were you aware that heavier arrows actually quieten your bow?

Luke

[Brad]

Yeah my bow is really quite too.

Still have trouble with rabbits and deer though. They hear eveything!!!!

Foxes, cats, pigs, goats etc no problems.

[Luke]

Yeah, those buggers have great ears hey! Wish I had that skill.

Just have to put in the effort and get REAL close...get close and go hard I say.

Luke

[Bullwinkle]

It's not called stalkinh when it is helpless to stay hidden when you glow so much we need t wear sunnies near you hey oh white one :lol:

It doesn't matter how fast your bow shoots it cannot compete with the hearing and eyesight of deer and the likes. Like Luke says shoot something that will punch through and get to the vitals if a bad shot is placed or string jumping. Heavy arrows just fit with bowhunting(notice I said bowhunting and not target stuff), the benefits are quietier bow, longer life of said bow, easier in the hand and piece of mind that you can thump through just abouut anything over here. Bowhunting distances dictate that distance judging shouldn't be a problem, IMO distances shouldn't get over the 30m mark, not that there aren't people out there that can't shoot a gnat off of a tird pile at that distance just that the animal only has to take one step and bingo a gutshot has occurred, again MO only. By the way I hunt with a 70# at my draw length of 28"s with 600-650gr carbons, these will punch through the toughest boars shoulder with ease.

[Brad]

Perhaps you blokes should go back to that other forum and preach your stuff to those that want to listen to it.

That's why i'm not there anymore.

Don't make me leave here too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bullwinkle]

Brad I don't know what you are on about, someone asked for an opinion I gave it. If you have a beef with me( If your statement was aimed at me?) take it up with me. Before you say I am preaching get to know me mate.

[Luke]

Fenton, oh wide one ;)
Brad is referring to his dislike of the moderation/editing that was done to a post he made on The Bowhunters Group of Australia forums.

In my view (and many others) the language he used and the possible perceptions of the content of the post that he made were not acceptable. So they were moderated.

This I believe was done with good intent, in an appropriate manner and with respect to the poster...Ultratec (Brad).

These actions were carried out with a view to preserving the right we have to bowhunt as it was possible that what had been written by Brad may have been taken the wrong way and done harm to this great past time. I believe that Brad's intentions were innocent, but as I said, what he wrote could have been perceived in bad light and added fuel to the anti hunter's fire. That we don't need...

Any persons wishing to view this thread can go to it at this URL:
http://bowgroup.proboards6.com/index.cgi?board=huntingdiscus&action=display&num=1068700431

Brad, I did say that we valued each and every member's postings and opinions and that I hoped you'd return. I shall leave you here in peace if you feel that I somehow have "imposed". After all, I'm just glad to see you have a place to post and converse with fellow bowhunters. It's a shame you have let such a small incident stop you from coming back.

Have a merry christmas.

Luke