Clicker fright...

[Gunzer]

Target panick... solved!

Now lets's use the clicker. A soon as you hear the clicker go off, relax your fingers, OK?

*me: mounts up (with deep breath), aims(slow breathing)...expands...CLICK

*thud*

I hit a 1 because my bow arm didn't go steady when the clicker went off. So what causes clicker fright?

[Flehrad]

Same thing as target panic.
Anticipation of missing.
You have to then do exercises of shooting blank butt with a clicker, so that you have control. Draw through the clicker but don't shoot.
Then change to draw through the clicker and shoot.

Once you have that under control, you can return to a target, otherwise, if you train only to shoot at the click, you'll shoot if you overdraw during the draw phase, or if you're not aimed correctly, which would be bad.

[Bia]

Draw through the clicker but don't shoot.

THAT

[Sandy Hancock]

[quote=Flehrad] Draw through the clicker but don't shoot.

THAT

[The One]

[quote=Flehrad] Draw through the clicker but don't shoot.

I personally do not let down nearly enough (too stubborn), but if I pull through and it *really* doesn't feel right, I can (and occasionally do!) let down.

I do it every now and then, but it's not a very pretty sight or mental state at the time! Even blank butt trying to do it takes a wee bit of time...

[Bia]

[quote=Bia][quote=Flehrad] Draw through the clicker but don't shoot.

THAT

[Flehrad]

If you have to yank it through the clicker, you should let down because it won't be a decent shot.

Essentially, you have to be drawing through consistantly using backtension and shoulder transfer so when it does go click, you can relax release.

If you end up holding heaps long and you have the urge to rip it through the clicker, then definitely let down, otherwise it'll toss and chance of a nice release out the window.

I have the biggest problem with that when shooting 90m because the angle is very different compared to every other setting of mine.

[Gunzer]

Here's some new thoughts: load up take a slow deep breath as you raise the bow and pull the string(smoothly going from arm tension to back) fix anchor as you exhale slowly float your aim as you inhale slowly(all back tension) expand as gently as you can and wait for the clicker to go off "CLICK"... stop expanding and FIX and hold aim initiate release by relaxing forearm and continuing back tension follow through
Basically what this achieved is expand until the clicker goes off then fix aim so concious control of muscles is in the back then shifted to the focus on aim. Will it help?

[TJ Mason]

[quote=Flehrad] Draw through the clicker but don't shoot.

THAT

[Bia]

[quote=Bia][quote=Flehrad] Draw through the clicker but don't shoot.

THAT

[The One]

Here's some new thoughts: load up take a slow deep breath as you raise the bow and pull the string(smoothly going from arm tension to back) fix anchor as you exhale slowly float your aim as you inhale slowly(all back tension) expand as gently as you can and wait for the clicker to go off "CLICK"... stop expanding and FIX and hold aim initiate release by relaxing forearm and continuing back tension follow through
Basically what this achieved is expand until the clicker goes off then fix aim so concious control of muscles is in the back then shifted to the focus on aim. Will it help?

I wouldn't suggest consciously fixing the front arm after the clicker goes off, as this may induce a lot of tension in the front arm. You want the forces before the clicker goes off to remain as unchanged as possible throughout the duration of the shot IMO.

[Gunzer]

I wouldn't suggest consciously fixing the front arm after the clicker goes off, as this may induce a lot of tension in the front arm. You want the forces before the clicker goes off to remain as unchanged as possible throughout the duration of the shot IMO.
I agree, however, that's the reason why instantly after the "CLICK" you should stop expanding and focus on defining and fixing the aim as soon as possible. It only takes about 1 to 1.5 seconds (maybe less) since the clicker goes off to do this but not instantly initiating the release as soon as the clicker goes off. I think's its my way of gaining control over the aim, but I do get your point.

[Aarleks]

I agree, however, that's the reason why instantly after the "CLICK" you should stop expanding and focus on defining and fixing the aim as soon as possible. It only takes about 1 to 1.5 seconds (maybe less) since the clicker goes off to do this but not instantly initiating the release as soon as the clicker goes off. I think's its my way of gaining control over the aim, but I do get your point.

I disagree completely. When the clicker drops your release should be automatic if all else is well leading up to that point. You should be controling your aim (and everything else) already so that the clicker = let string do its thing. Have a look at all the 1330+ archers out there and see how many hold after the clicker drops. Not many. For the top archers the clicker is the signal to release immediately.
As for timeframe from "CLICK" to the string leaving the fingers... I would say less than 0.5sec is ideal, though it's not something you should be concentrating on.
:D

[Brocky]

:iamwithstupid: :wink:

[Shirt]

There was an article somewhere about a couple of the Koreans shooting at the Beiter centre - in The Glade, I think? - and the time between their clicker dropping and the release starting was so fast that it would be a false start on a 100m race. (Where the athletes are deemed to have been unable to hear the gun because they reacted too damn quick, and thus false started.)

[The One]

There was an article somewhere about a couple of the Koreans shooting at the Beiter centre - in The Glade, I think? - and the time between their clicker dropping and the release starting was so fast that it would be a false start on a 100m race. (Where the athletes are deemed to have been unable to hear the gun because they reacted too damn quick, and thus false started.)

I agree, the time-frame should be damn near instantaneous if you've trained you sub-conscious correctly. The beauty of the sub-conscious clicker-activated release is that it is that much more repeatable and consistent than a conscious, forced release.

[Brocky]

Gunzer feel the force and use it or have someone put your clicker in the right spot so you dont move your head forward once at full draw.

[Gunzer]

Gunzer feel the force and use it or have someone put your clicker in the right spot so you dont move your head forward once at full draw.You mean to say that the clicker can be moved to another spot? It's already at it's maximum!

[Brocky]

No. I may be wrong but it sounds like you may be looking after you hear the clicker goes off, at no point and I may be wrong should you stop expanding and focus on defining/fixing your aim. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that your head should not move forward to meet the string or after the shot.

[Flehrad]

I'll try to reword Brocky, cos I had to read it 3 times myself lol.

What he is saying is that, it sounds like you are aiming/looking after the clicker has gone off.

This is not advised because it stops the expanding phase of the shot, and can cause a forced release or even a collapsed release where the hand goes forwards before the string leaves.

The last part, is that your head position should stay in the same place once you set to your reference point/anchor. You should not move it forwards (if you're finding it hard to hold or draw at anchor) or backwards (if you're having problems expanding through the clicker) before, during and after the shot.

:D

[Gunzer]

Oh... was that it?

Well my head doesn't move at all to catch the drawing hand. It stays where it should be (above the shoulders secured in place by the neck).

I don't look at the clicker (it's distracting my aim); I listen for it (it's also distracting cause sometimes I here someone elses clicker go off and causes me to release the arrow prematurely.

I found another problem though. In the course of expansion, the bow shoulder slightly moves and causes the string to loose alignment and aim about 5cm to the right (at 30meter target aiming at a 122cm FITA target face). That's the reason why I thought of holding the arrow 1.5 secs longer to fix the aim.

[Brocky]

I would say your moving your head to meet the string and you dont know it :o . I would say the noise is your neck cracking from moving when you don't know its moving :o.









Oh one more thing










KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID :o
Your over thinking the process :roll:

[Gunzer]

Hey, even Flehrad had to read what you posted 3x.

I don't know if I missed some words of wisdom so I try to be certain of what you mean...

I guess it's one of those things that a :n00b: learns...

[Brocky]

But he worked it out instead of making excuses

[Gunzer]

Well he's a more experienced decoder.

[Flehrad]

I've been through the Brocky experience first hand, and I can understand it better. 8)

I agree, you are probably over thinking the whole process. I still do it on bad days and it shows. Brocky has helped me heaps (much to his detriment and almost got locked out of his hut) when I was at a sticky point in my shooting.

Cheers Brocky :P

[clever_guy]

"Have a look at all the 1330+ archers out there and see how many hold after the clicker drops. Not many. For the top archers the clicker is the signal to release immediately."

I guarantee that particular group can pull through their clicker wait a few seconds and execute the shot just as well, with little impact to arrow placement. ;)

The clicker is just one "clue" you use for feedback. If you have other "clues" that something is not right during your execution then you have to be able to disregard the click and letdown (or in the wind go through the click, but still execute properly). You have to train yourself to have control over the clicker, not react to it. Reacting to it is what gives you clicker panic. The more experienced you become the faster you can sort through the various

[chucky]

I`m with Aalecks, the clicker is the signal to release. I draw close to clicker release, then back tension draw through clicker. During this process the shot is already aimed and steadied on target. This style of clicker use is a great solution to target panic.

[Gunzer]

.... I draw close to clicker release, then back tension draw through clicker. During this process the shot is already aimed and steadied on target.

This is what I'm trying to achieve. However, I'm a bit more concious of the clicker going off rather than "steadying the floating aim". It seems asynchronous for me and not synchronous as my coach instructs... maybe I need more practice, until I get into the comfort zone of propper shooting.

And oh BTW, I thought of something that can be used in conjunction with the clicker (or even without it) that'll make the draw consistent. Absolutely consistent (you can't beat around it). Not yet perfect but it'll get somewhere with a little more development. Not yet sure if legal for FITA tournaments though. I still need to talk to and present it to a knowledgeable FITA judge.