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frommy

12-07-2005, 09:32 PM

The World Games commence on 14 July, with a strong line up listed in the starting blocks, including Michele Frangelli, Dave Cousins, Chris White, gt and Morgan Lundin to name but a few. This is a previous post of mine from another thread.

Have people overlooked the World Games?

http://www.fieldarcher.nl/article.php?sid=375

Good shooting Madeleine, Clint and Jim.

The link to the official site is

http://www.worldgames2005.de/en/sportarten/praezisionssport/feldbogenschiessen/

Clint continues his European tour, and is listed to be joined by James Park and Maddy Ferris.

The event is field tourny, ranking being a FITA 24 target marked and a 24 target unmarked, then it goes into knockout.

I am sure that www.fieldarcher.nl will provide a solid reporting service. That is a trully great web site.

Go the Ozzies.

Brian

Flame

12-07-2005, 09:46 PM

Yep - fantastic website and great archive section :D

What is Jim up to :o

James Park

13-07-2005, 04:37 PM

What is Jim up to :o
Currently in the Lufthanza Business Class lounge in Munich airport on my way to Dusseldorf to compete. I have spent the last few days on business in London and Munich. Expecting to get thrashed by all those experts participating in the World Games.

2Dogs

13-07-2005, 04:58 PM

London?.....obviously your safe and well then.

Flame

13-07-2005, 05:39 PM

Good to see you didn't get caught up in the crap in London.

Now for a nice stroll around the hills of Germany

The hills are alive ...... :D

grantwomack

13-07-2005, 05:41 PM

Currently in the Lufthanza Business Class lounge in Munich airport...
Man it must be a tough life, living like that Jim! ;)
Good luck in Germany.

Marcus

13-07-2005, 05:49 PM

Man it must be a tough life, living like that Jim! ;)
Good luck in Germany.
Having now experienced a small part of that lifestyle I can say that Jim can keep it.

13-07-2005, 06:36 PM

All the best, Jim

frommy

14-07-2005, 10:12 PM

It is interesting, to me at least, that the photo gallery of Fieldarcher.nl has listed zero (0) items posted for this event from today, for which it is still to early to expect picis to appear, but 21 people have viewed the gallery to this time.

People, 0 items means that there is nothing there. :-?

And a page is also set up for picis from the final round next Sunday, with 0 items shown as posted, and that page has already had 11 views?

While browsing tonight, I found this photo on Fieldarcher.nl which I found to be an interesting setup.

http://www.fieldarcher.nl/mod.php?set_albumName=Lier_2005_NvdB&id=Lier_56&mod=gallery&include=view_photo.php

For the World Games, today was practice, the fun starts tomorrow.

Brian

Flame

14-07-2005, 10:16 PM

They have some great shots around Europe - the 5 nations event has some great shots in tunnels , etc :D

Marcus

14-07-2005, 10:43 PM

Jim rang me earlier and said that the course is flattish, but very dark, so could be tough.
The practise range is a hockey field on fake turf, which sounds nice.

Shermo

14-07-2005, 11:46 PM

The One

15-07-2005, 07:23 AM

Wouldn't want to miss that baby!

recurve boy

15-07-2005, 07:53 AM

The practise range is a hockey field on fake turf, which sounds nice.

Untill you trip and fall on it :oops:

Marcus

15-07-2005, 07:54 AM

Yeah lets see if there is a spate of knee injuries during the event.

recurve boy

15-07-2005, 08:16 AM

Well, astro turf is usually kept wet. I don't see people slip on it often but it's happened - to me :lol: Could very well be dry for the event, but then if any accidents do occur, it's worse.

Marcus

15-07-2005, 08:19 AM

The One

15-07-2005, 08:29 AM

Well, astro turf is usually kept wet. I don't see people slip on it often but it's happened - to me :lol: Could very well be dry for the event, but then if any accidents do occur, it's worse.

Astro turf as such was usually sand turf, which was dry - used to play tonnes of hockey on the stuff. These days, they've upgraded most turfs to water turf - A lot more spongy and watered in between games. Makes the ball counce a wee bit so takes a shpot more skill to play on. You can get some wicked slides on water turf :D Most slides on sand turf will cut you up pretty bad if you get unlucky, whereas the water turf will only graze the surface of the skin a bit.

Flame

15-07-2005, 07:25 PM

http://www.fieldarcher.nl/gallery/albums/WG_07142005/dsc_4337.sized.jpg

frommy

15-07-2005, 08:15 PM

Flame,

The photographer also took a shine to Madeleine. Several picis of her in the gallery.

But none individually of Clint? :-? Maybe the two heads did not go well in the photo! :lol:

Brian

timppa

15-07-2005, 08:27 PM

But none individually of Clint? Maybe the two heads did not go well in the photo!

Who is this then?? :roll:

http://www.fieldarcher.nl/gallery/albums/WG_07142005/dsc_4349.sized.jpg

frommy

15-07-2005, 08:35 PM

:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

Missed that one. Bugger. :cry: :oops:

I have not yet looked for todays results. Probably a bit early yet anyway.

Where do you think the best site might be for the results? I have little faith in the World Games site, and have not explored the Fieldarcher.nl site beyond the great photo galleries.

Brian

Bruce

15-07-2005, 08:39 PM

I was just looking on the web and check this shot out on a field course .
http://www.fieldarcher.nl/mod.php?set_albumName=Lier_2005_NvdB&id=Lier_56&mod=gallery&include=view_photo.php

frommy

15-07-2005, 08:48 PM

Um, Bruce,

Check out my message on this thread of last night timed at 11:12 pm.

:lol:

There. I don't feel so bad about my previous stuff-up now. :P :angel:

Brian

frommy

15-07-2005, 08:50 PM

Part of the report from Fieldarcher.nl from yesterday, the practice day.

[quote]Tomorrow, busses will bring the archers who start at other targets then 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 will be brought into the field by a bus. It has to do with what we already picked up as a rumour: the distance is too far. Interestingly enough rule 9.1.1.1 says something about the distance to the furthest target. It doesn

Bruce

15-07-2005, 08:53 PM

see great minds think alike :D
Sorry about that Brian , I hadn't even noticed that , I was just surfing around and noticed the albums .
One of my passions is designing field courses , I love the challenge and am always looking for new ideas

I reckon that would be a fun course to shoot

Bruce

frommy

15-07-2005, 09:23 PM

Bruce,

This is a nice one as well

http://www.fieldarcher.nl/mod.php?set_albumName=Merksplas_2005_PL&id=bibliotheek_1407&mod=gallery&include=view_photo.php

One could spend hours trolling the Fiedarcher.nl site just in the photo gallery. Admittedly, most photos are of archers we do not know, but some of the lay-ups, when they are shown, are great.

And, mate, I am not a field archer.

Now, back to the exploits of Clint, Jim and Maddy, with some results tonight I hope after todays unmarked field. The Fieldarcher.nl people posted that they have a 30 min drive to get 'net connection.

Keep up the great work Gerardz and team.

Brian

Flame

16-07-2005, 03:16 PM

Clint has a lack of one ring:

Clint has just realised he has lost his ring :D

http://www.fieldarcher.nl/gallery/albums/WG_07152005/greardvrijmid_153.sized.jpg

Flame

16-07-2005, 04:38 PM

Clint 5th
Jim 26th
Mad 8th

James Park

19-07-2005, 02:50 PM

I am now in the lounge in D

19-07-2005, 03:39 PM

The photos on the website are astounding, Jim. Trust you enjoyed yourself even though the average score was mammoth! We missed you at the Indoor Nats in Adelaide but you probably wouldn't have been thrilled by the temperature of 1 degree when I got to the airport to come home yesterday morning!

James Park

19-07-2005, 03:59 PM

Equipment used:
The was nothing that I had not seen before.
Most bow brands were being used: probably more Mathews than others (mostly due to the sponsored archers, I guess). The usual range of Hoyts. A few AR's.
Virtually all arrows were either ACE's or X10's.
Considerable mix of release devices (but Carter would have dominated).
About an equal mix of drop_down and conventional launchers.
Hoyt dominated the recurves, but still a mixture.
Probably about half the archers had two bows (I took just one).
One Titan Scope being used (by me). Most used dots, not rings (I cannot recall seeing a single ring and the dots varied from tiny to huge).

As an aside: I am able to confirm that shooting a compound with the bow stand still attached results in a 2 on the 45M target (I hasten to say it was not me who conducted this test, but one of the Hungarians with whom I was shooting).

Target butts: I travelled half way around the World to have the pleasure of shooting on stramit target butts.

CMB50

19-07-2005, 04:10 PM

Dave Cousins shot two perfect rounds and finished 3rd?! :o :rofl:

frommy

19-07-2005, 04:16 PM

Dave Cousins shot two perfect rounds and finished 3rd?! :o :rofl:

The joy of matchplay. :cry:

James Park

19-07-2005, 04:19 PM

The courses:
Unmarked: The courses were in a dark forest. Hence most of the targets (not all) were unaffected by the wind. It was very dark, and on some of the targets you could not see your sight dot if you were not aimed at the 5 ring. While the courses were relatively flat, there were a number of reasonably steep targets (the steepest would have been over 20 degrees). Hence, the major difficuly on the unmarked was having sufficient visibility of the target to be able to guage correctly. The one where I had my major stuff-up was an 80cm at 41M. It was very dark indeed and I could not see the rings much at all through my scope and I just plain gauged it badly - shot my first arrow at 50M and scored a 2, then a 3, the aimed off and shot an X for a 10 - rather nasty and quite spoilt the round. Having me shoot a 2 caused my colleagues to think twice about the target size, although the targets sizes were in reality very easy to pick (you could simply count the layers of stramit - 10 for a 60cm and 13 for an 80cm).

Marked:
Very similar to the unmarked (and many indentical butts). Still very dark and difficult to see. I started on the 60M (with a 14) and then immediately had the 20M bugseye (for a 13 with two just low). Then a dead easy 35M (for a 14, which really annoyed me). Then 13 straight 15's. The most difficult targets were all in a row: the second 20M bugseye which was steeply up hill (I shot 3 X's), a 60M steeply down hill (two X's and 5), then there was a very nasty 55M uphill and across a steep slope, and out in the wind. I would that the terrain here caused you to want to cant severely and together with the wind it was a real challenge. I shot a 13 and later discovered that most archers had problems with it (Clint also had 13 on that one). The next was a 45M steeply dowhill and most also had problems there as well (I managed three 5's). I later found out that many archers also dropped points on that first 20M bugseye (even though it was quite flat and seemed easy).

The courses were well set out for spectators, and there were quite a number.

The finals:
Wonderful venue. Four targets were used for the semis. They were inside the castle and included a shot from one of the turrets. The final was another four targets in the castle grounds, finishing with a 60M shot in an outdoor auditorium. Very well done indeed and super for spectators. It would be a real challenge for anyone to do it better.

James Park

19-07-2005, 04:21 PM

Dave Cousins dropped on one point over the three days.
Unmarked: 360
Marked: 360
Semi: 59 and lost on a one arrow shoot-off (his three shots were all 5's).
Bronze: 60 and then a 5 in the one arrow shoot-off.
His X count was also particularly high.

James Park

19-07-2005, 04:28 PM

For the unmarked round, John Dudley had a release device miss-fire and shot a 3. He scored 358 for that round.

In the unmarked round I shot with Chris White. His very first shot was on a 48M target. He gauged it at 50M and shot a 4. After that he never looked like missing and finished with a 359. He commented that he simply did not take sufficient care in gauging that first shot.

In the unmarked round Clint dropped his only point at an easy 15M target.

Quite a number of archers were using my sight program (and also the gauging part of it). I had many archers talk to me about it.

James Park

19-07-2005, 04:50 PM

The practice ground:
Practice was set up on a hockey field (astro turf, etc). There were 12 butts from 5M to 60M. This was just sufficient for the 96 archers. I did not shoot much on the practice range (I never do) and it got a bit crowded in the target faces - only expert archers, and just about all the arrows in the 5 ring. In the end, instead of using an 80cm face at 60M we were using a number of 40cm faces at 60M, and even then most arrows were in the 5 ring (and even mine), which was very impressive.

The weather:
While it was windy, mostly the forest protected us very well. Especially for the unmarked it was very humid and did rain briefly. Hence, uncomfortable conditions to shoot in (and certainly affected me for the unmarked). The forest was much thicker and darker than we get in Australia and does stop the wind very well indeed.

The Europeans told me the courses were very representative of what they normally shoot on.

Vittorio

19-07-2005, 05:16 PM

The Europeans told me the courses were very representative of what they normally shoot on.

Not at all...
Michele and the others from the Italian team told me the courses have been almost totally flat. Very far from the average at least in Italy and Farnce. All shooters have been very close or even over their top scores, so this tells a lot about the par of the courses.

Freeman

19-07-2005, 05:23 PM

The tournament was very well run. I arrived on the monday and was told that there would be no practice available until the official practice day. Anyway spent tuesday looking around the area and then catching up with the american team....... wednesday, managed to find a club to go practice with the americans that was only 35-40 minutes walk from the hotel.... spent 5 hours getting sight marked and checking my DISTANCE ESTIMATION marks.

Offical practice day went well and I made a chioce of shooting the Conquest3 as it was holding alittle steadier and a bit quicker for the unmarked round.

Day1-Unmarked, very happy with how things went. Dropped my only shot at a 12mtr bunny first shot second target in.

Day2-marked, once again very happy with how i shot 355, dropped shots a 50mtr, 55mtr, 45mtr and 2 points at 20mtr(one target).

Mathews placed in the mens compound
1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th not bad result

The One

19-07-2005, 06:46 PM

Target butts: I travelled half way around the World to have the pleasure of shooting on stramit target butts.

:rofl:

Vittorio

19-07-2005, 08:02 PM

Equipment used:
Hoyt dominated the recurves, but still a mixture.

Pls note Michele has won with W&W NX riser and Winex limbs, and Bertolini has been third with Expert riser and Winex Limbs.

frommy

19-07-2005, 09:09 PM

Jim,

Thanks for the report.

20-07-2005, 01:04 AM

wednesday, managed to find a club to go practice with the americans that was only 35-40 minutes walk from the hotel....

Yeah, but with YOU doing the navigating, it took an hour and twenty minutes to get there ! :o

Just kidding, mate. It was a pleasure shooting with you all week !

-gt

Madeleine Ferris

25-07-2005, 03:46 PM

In case anyone's interested, I thought I'd add my bit on the World Games.

After my huge disappointment at not being able to shoot at the World Target Champs, I decided I may as well carry on with my plans and hope that my shoulder would recover enough for me to compete in the World Games.

It did get much better, but only to a certain degree. However, at least I was able to raise the bow up to shoulder level. I just did a few sessions every three or so days (sometimes 30 arrows and sometimes a bit more) shooting only 3 arrows at a time and resting between. By the 2nd July I thought I'd try shooting just one day of a FITA Field tournament in Lier (near Antwerp). Shot with Tim Goodwin (UK), a Dutch teen, and a German recurver. We shot 12 unmarked and 12 marked (mixed). It was a lovely course, set in and around an old munitions 'fort'. Pity we couldn't take any pics. Had a great day (thanks to Martin and Bart for taking me there) but was very sore by the end. Could not control any shots above shoulder level or downhill ones for that matter - but the uphill ones were worse. Tried to gauge but it was still a half hearted effort!

By the time I got to Duisburg things hadn't changed all that much but I thought I'd give it a go - one day at a time. Thank goodness the courses were basically flat. There were only a few what I would call very mild uphill/downhill shots, but even so my shoulder did not like them at all and I had to grit my teeth on those. On the unmarked course I dropped a point on my first target, a 15 m bugs eye. The next one was an 80 cm target that looked 45 m at the most. I gauged it and of course decided I must have made a mistake somewhere and did not trust my findings. However, I did move my sight a bit - and shot a 3. Terrific. My first arrow was 4 for a few more targets until I thought I'd better check things out (especially when you know you are at maximum distance) - and found my nocking point had moved. (In Madrid I took the bowinto the Hoyt tent to make sure everything was AOK and Jeff did tweek the cable a bit - but of course I'd forgotten about that). I came to a target which I KNEW had to be full distance and could verify how much I was out. Then it was just a simple matter of moving the whole sight tape (Accurate Sights). After that things didn't go too badly and I really enjoyed the day. Except for any targets on any sort of incline, that is. Finished on 342.

The next day I was actually keeping up with the other girls, being 2 points behind Jamie van Natta for much of the round - that is, until we got to this horrible steeper uphill 20m bugs eye. I just knew it would be painful just to shoot this one, let alone get 5s. I was so busy with these thoughts that I read the blue barebow peg marker (15 m) and shot a 2. I knew I didn't have much control but really! Luckily I checked my sight and made the adjustment, but could still only manage 4s on the other two arrows. That single target was enough to pull my score back down again and I finished on 346.

The finals were held in a fort which was originally built in 830 odd. It was a great setting for the Finals and some great shooting to match.

2Dogs

25-07-2005, 04:07 PM

Good to see it all went reasonably well. :wink:

So I hear you have the names of some good Spanish Physios??? :lol: